Irish passport - does it extend to husband?

[irishpassport]

My paternal grandad was Irish and I'm going to apply for an Irish passport this year once I'm married. I want freedom to move around the eu again basically !
I was just wondering does anyone know if for example I came into a situation where I could move to Ireland or even Spain etc does it apply to my husband too? So because he is my husband he gets it through me by proxy? He cannot apply for an Irish passport because it isn't in his heritage. I know I would also have to apply for my children too.
Thanks

@LookItsMeAgain totally agree but almost half of the uk didn’t actually want to leave the EU, including me. My dh is Irish and we are going to get passports for our kids (not got around to it yet) so I’ll be the only one who hasn’t got an eu passport. My great grandparents on my mothers side were Irish but obviously that’s too far back. I’m still gutted that we’ve left the eu really! Seems to have brought so many problems and I certainly haven’t noticed any benefits!

I'm Irish by birth & upbringing, but I still think that's grossly unfair. The people we're talking about are & have always been entitled to Irish citizenship under IRISH law. Ireland is obvs totally within its rights to alter it's citizenship law (as it did when automatic citizenship for anyone born in Ireland was scrapped back in the early 2000s - I voted against that change & still think it was a bad decision), but it hasn't / doesn't seem to want to, so no one is doing anything wrong.

Indoctro if your mother was Irish (either born there or was on the Foreign Births Register) then you and your children can get passports and very probably a good idea for you to put them on the Foreign Birth Register before they have their own children (so your grandchildren can get passports too).

Thank you 😊

I believe that if you obtain an Irish passport then when you travel to the EU your spouse (i.e. married) will be regarded the same as you (as an EU citizen) but they won't if they were to travel on their own.

I'm sure the spouse can't get an Irish passport solely on marriage.

I don't think owning an Irish Terrier is acceptable grounds either 🙁

Thank you! That’s very helpful….just need to track down the originals…would a copy from the registrar count? <hopeful!>

This is unfair. Plenty (in fact just under 50%) of those Brits who voted in the referendum voted to remain. Many of those with an EU parent (me included, not Ireland but elsewhere) then applied for a passport of that country - I mean, why wouldn't you?!

Asking what the situation is for your spouse and children is hardly "looking to Ireland to solve your problems," is it.

Yes it does apply. The spouse of an EU person can piggy back

@TwoLeftSocksWithHoles

I believe that if you obtain an Irish passport then when you travel to the EU your spouse (i.e. married) will be regarded the same as you (as an EU citizen) but they won't if they were to travel on their own.

This is mentioned quite regularly on a Motorhome forum that I am on, and members of that forum have proved to be true. If you are travelling as a couple, with one an EU passport holder, neither of you will be subjected to the limit of 90days out of 180 in Schengen. It is to ensure that the EU citizen is not limited in their travel when with their non-EU spouse. It obviously doesn’t apply if the non EU citizen is travelling alone.

It is probably not relevant for those with school aged children, but definitely is to retirees wanting to take their Motorhome etc to Europe for an extended stay.

If your mum is Irish then your kids can get one, it's just a longer process than yours. Your husband can't though.

My mum is Irish too, but I haven't bothered with Irish passports yet, it would just be an extra 3 passports (me and 2 kids) to renew every few years, it would be really expensive to get done for all 3 of us, and I don't really travel enough to make the shorter queues worth it (plus when I travelled to the EU recently it was OK anyway?).

When the kids are older and possibly want to travel/move somewhere else then I will probably go for it, but I don't really understand the race to do it. Some people started applying for the day after the Brexit referendum!

It pushes my buttons when I see that UK citizens HAD this freedom of movement and blindly voted to give it up like it was something bad, and needed to be done away with

Do remember that a huge number of us did not vote for it. And a lot of youngsters didn't get the chance to vote because they were too young (eg my son was 14).

The Brexiteers will say it wasn't blind though - the only reason for FoM was so that Olivia or Hugo could do their Gap Yah in France and so it was just a middle class perk they couldn't benefit from (wrong).

When the kids are older and possibly want to travel/move somewhere else then I will probably go for it, but I don't really understand the race to do it. Some people started applying for the day after the Brexit referendum

My friend who lives in Germany applied for German citizenship before the referendum. I think it made sense to do so quickly and avoid the rush. I don't qualify for Irish citizenship although my mum does, and my uncle has applied for it.

What of course is really really galling is the DUPers and other Brexiteers applying for Irish and other EU passports, so they keep FoM despite voting against it for the rest of us

@BertiesShoes DFA website is pretty efficient ime. I doubt payment will be an issue. But citizenship only passes through descent or naturalisation (I am an Irish citizen by virtue of living here fir 20+ years and via marriage to dp)

To anyone picking up on points I raised in my earlier posts - I do realise that 48% of those that voted, voted to remain and 52% of those that voted, voted for Brexit.
I also realise that a HUGE number of UK residents didn't bother at all to vote in the referendum.

So can anyone tell me if I'm right here - my paternal grandad was born in Ireland so that makes me entitled to apply for citizenship. But my dad was born in England to an English mother and he's never bothered to apply for anything, does that stop me applying ??
I have all birth certificates going from my grandad to my dad to myself and also my grandads marriage certificate proving he married my nan in England.
Thanks for any help

Right. But a) any Brit who is allowed dual nationality under the rules of another government is perfectly entitled to apply for it and b) they're also allowed to enquire politely what the situation is for their spouse and kids.

I don't see why this gets on your nerves. I hate Brexit as much as the next person btw. I have benefited hugely from FOM over the years and thanks to their heritage my kids will too if they want to. Most of their friends won't and it makes me sick - they're not even of voting age yet and none of this is their fault.

Where is it written that a non-EU spouse (UK) of an EU passport holder (IR) can stay longer than 90 days? This is very good news for me if that is the case as we intend to spend more time at our holiday home once our son is in University next year.

europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/family-residence-rights/non-eu-wife-husband-children/index_en.htm

@Holidayhome2008

The link below has been shared on the Motorhome site, paragraphs 5 and 6 particularly.

A number of members of that site have also had emails stating the same, from a European contact centre that they emailed. There are also some members who have stayed 4mths on Irish and UK passports and have been waived through with no comment at Calais.

www.citizensadvice.org.es/schengen-90-days-in-180-day-ruling-for-non-eu-spouses-of-eu-citizens/

@irishpassport

From the DFA page linked below

www.dfa.ie/citizenship/

My grandparent was born on the island of Ireland. Am I an Irish citizen?

Yes, you can apply for Irish citizenship by descent.

In these cases, you can become an Irish citizen through Foreign Birth Registration.

I've done this process for my children, I've also done this process for me. There is some helpful advice on this thread but it's not entirely accurate.

OP, you are going to apply via your grandfather. This does not give you automatic access to an Irish passport UNTIL you are registered on the Foreign Births Register. This is how I applied for my two children, as their grandfather, my father, was born on the Isle of Ireland and even though I am an Irish citizen, I'm not an Irish citizen through birth. Registering on the FBR can be expensive and a long process - in some cases it can take up to 18 months.

My father passed down his nationality to me by virtue of his birth certificate. He was born in Ireland but after a few years he moved with the rest of his family to England. He applied for a British passport when he was about 18 and never bothered applying for an Irish one. I supplied my Dad's documents, along with his parent's documents and was approved - my Irish passport was issued before his simply because I applied before him.

In relation to my husband he cannot piggyback on my Irish passport. We can move to Ireland together but won't be able to apply for his citizenship for 5 years. The children can prove an Irish bloodline which is different.

Hope this is clear and it helps!

Thanks

Nor your husband or your children would be entitled to an irish passport unfortunantly, even if you get one now.

My husband and children have Irish Passports. I do not. A spouse is entitled to accompany their EU passport spouse and live in an EU country. Additionally, when you travel with the EU passport spouse the 90-day rule does not apply to the non-EU passport spouse so in theory, your passport should not be stamped at border control or the 90 rule should not be enforced as it hinders the EU passport holders freedom of movement. This is what I have been told.

"Thank you for contacting the Europe Direct Contact Centre.
A citizen of the UK does in principle not require a visa to travel for a short stay of no more than 90 days within any 180-day period in the Schengen area.
The fact that you reside with your Irish wife in the UK is, on its own, not sufficient to waive the limits of the 90/180-days rule if you intend to travel on your own to a Schengen Member State.
However, if your wife is travelling with you to a Schengen country, or joins you in a Schengen country, the 90/180 days limitation does not apply. Accordingly, any stays in the Schengen area together with her will not be taken into account when you travel again on your own. Please be aware, however, that in this case you might need to have documentation to show on when you were travelling with her and when you were not."