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Ukraine Invasion: Part 26

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MagicFox · 20/05/2022 09:35

Here we are, on top of our rock

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Hillsmakeyoustrong · 28/05/2022 16:29

Tillsforthrills · 28/05/2022 14:31

It seems so sad to me that grain can be defended and saved, prioritised for the preservation of lives elsewhere but this can’t be done for the lives of Ukrainians, the children being raped, the women being erased, the soldiers trying to defend their land.

Couldn't agree with you more 💔

OwlsDance · 28/05/2022 16:58

@Ijsbear I don't havea link to the Arctic project, sorry, I heard it either on Arestovych videos when they were discussing China, or in one of the economics ones.

When I was looking for it, I only found articles from March when they withdrew the funding I think.

DrBlackbird · 28/05/2022 17:16

Ukraine getting further down the news. Feels like eastern Ukraine has been lost to the Russians plus much of the coast. Is this the new reality? Does Ukraine have any hope of regaining this lost territory?

blueshoes · 28/05/2022 17:17

CasualObserverUK · 28/05/2022 16:03

AndriusTapinas
It is Saturday morning and as of 9am Vilnius time, we have 3 913 258 euro in our Quest for Bayraktar. Labas rytas! #bayraktarasUkrainai
7:29 AM · May 28, 2022·Twitter for iPhone

PLEASE SHARE & DONATE

I have donated to this Lithuanian crowdfunding for a Bayraktar for Ukraine.

I am normally a little skeptical of campaigns on social media so did a little research online. It seems that Laisves TV (Liberty TV) and the journalist presenter Andrius Tapinas have organised humanitarian and other similar actions before with experience of how to make it work. I hope my little donation will reduce the number of days before Russia is expelled from Ukrainian territory. Glory to Ukraine.

OwlsDance · 28/05/2022 17:31

DrBlackbird · 28/05/2022 17:16

Ukraine getting further down the news. Feels like eastern Ukraine has been lost to the Russians plus much of the coast. Is this the new reality? Does Ukraine have any hope of regaining this lost territory?

Yes, they do. Not going to happen until July/August though, when they are due to get more and better weapons. Until then it will probably be more or less a stalemate.

minsmum · 28/05/2022 17:44

mobile.twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1530559248425525249 just found this on Twitter

LoveLarry · 28/05/2022 18:36

I read (I don't "follow") the Russian embassy on twitter and they are absolutely crowing about the tennis results.

Cam Norrie was beaten by Khachanov and Emma Raducanu by a Belorussian

Their twitter feeder is usually childish but this gloating proves to me Wimbledon were right in their decision.

RedToothBrush · 28/05/2022 18:41

Rationing of salt and sugar to start.

Igotjelly · 28/05/2022 18:48

RedToothBrush · 28/05/2022 18:41

Rationing of salt and sugar to start.

Where, in the UK?

Igotjelly · 28/05/2022 18:49

RedToothBrush · 28/05/2022 18:41

Rationing of salt and sugar to start.

Where, in the UK?

Igotjelly · 28/05/2022 18:49

Sorry it posted twice for some reason

Ijsbear · 28/05/2022 18:50

The Kyiv Independent, [28/05/2022 16:15]
⚡️Putin claims Russia ready to renew peace talks, repeats demand for sanctions relief.

Russian dictator Vladimir Putin held a phone call with French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz on May 28. Putin claimed that “the Russian side is open to renewing dialogue with Kyiv” and repeated his demand that the West should lift sanctions to “increase food and fertilized exports.” Russia is blocking more than 20 million tons of grain at Ukraine’s Black Sea ports in order to blackmail the West to ease sanctions, Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said earlier.

ScrollingLeaves · 28/05/2022 19:02

@LoveLarry · Today 18:36
I read (I don't "follow") the Russian embassy on twitter and they are absolutely crowing about the tennis results.

Cam Norrie was beaten by Khachanov and Emma Raducanu by a Belorussian

Their twitter feeder is usually childish but this gloating proves to me Wimbledon were right in their decision.

I looked that up because of what you said, and see what you mean. I suppose they couldn’t resist.

Ukraine Invasion: Part 26
HappyWinter · 28/05/2022 19:45

blueshoes · 28/05/2022 17:17

I have donated to this Lithuanian crowdfunding for a Bayraktar for Ukraine.

I am normally a little skeptical of campaigns on social media so did a little research online. It seems that Laisves TV (Liberty TV) and the journalist presenter Andrius Tapinas have organised humanitarian and other similar actions before with experience of how to make it work. I hope my little donation will reduce the number of days before Russia is expelled from Ukrainian territory. Glory to Ukraine.

I'm glad it's going well, I need to donate too, it's reported on the Guardian live feed, from Reuters:

17:33
Hundreds of Lithuanians have raised funds to buy an advanced military drone for Ukraine in its war against Russia, in a show of solidarity with a fellow country formerly under Moscow’s rule, Reuters reports.

Some 4.4m euros ($4.1m, £3.75m) have been raised in three days - out of the 5m euros needed - according to Laisves TV, a Lithuanian internet broadcaster that launched the fundraising drive.

www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/may/28/russia-ukraine-war-donbas-will-stay-ukrainian-vows-zelenskiy-as-fighting-rages-in-east-live-updates

HappyWinter · 28/05/2022 20:43

They did it!

mobile.twitter.com/Lithuania/status/1530610148091301890
AT Lithunania
5 million Eur. for Bayractar for AT Ukraine. We did it in 3 days! ✌
Most donations of crowdfunding were small, between 10-500 €.

mobile.twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1530627598593695746
AT Ukraine
Simply wow, AT Lithuania 💛💚❤️
We will never forget what you did for us on so many fronts. Ačiū to every Lithuanian who donated, your present will be put to good use 😎

Natsku · 28/05/2022 21:06

That's amazing!!! Well done Lithuania and everyone that donated

RedToothBrush · 28/05/2022 21:25

Igotjelly · 28/05/2022 18:49

Where, in the UK?

Ukraine

Ijsbear · 28/05/2022 21:48

🇩🇪Germany will hand over heavy weapons to Ukraine, and this decision will be final - Ambassador of the Federal Republic of Germany to Ukraine Anka Feldhusen.

Speaking about the Gepard tanks, she noted that they can be bought directly from the manufacturer, but this requires the government to give permission for export.

[I really, really hope this is true]

blueshoes · 28/05/2022 22:04

HappyWinter · 28/05/2022 20:43

They did it!

mobile.twitter.com/Lithuania/status/1530610148091301890
AT Lithunania
5 million Eur. for Bayractar for AT Ukraine. We did it in 3 days! ✌
Most donations of crowdfunding were small, between 10-500 €.

mobile.twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1530627598593695746
AT Ukraine
Simply wow, AT Lithuania 💛💚❤️
We will never forget what you did for us on so many fronts. Ačiū to every Lithuanian who donated, your present will be put to good use 😎

Fantastic news!

If they have any change left over, they could buy some missiles to go with it.

notimagain · 28/05/2022 22:13

Ijsbear · 28/05/2022 21:48

🇩🇪Germany will hand over heavy weapons to Ukraine, and this decision will be final - Ambassador of the Federal Republic of Germany to Ukraine Anka Feldhusen.

Speaking about the Gepard tanks, she noted that they can be bought directly from the manufacturer, but this requires the government to give permission for export.

[I really, really hope this is true]

It’s good news but worth bearing in mind Gepard is technically an anti-aircraft armoured fighting vehicle armed with a pair of cannon rather than a proper tank with a single seriously big gun.

ScrollingLeaves · 28/05/2022 22:45

Sky news tonight at 10 reported on Ukrainian refugees in Russia. It was heartening to learn that in St Petersburg there are Russian self-organised volunteers trying to help, including by raising money for tickets for refugees. This FT article which I was able to read free also writes about this:
The Russian network helping Ukrainians flee the country | Financial Times
www.ft.com/content/33cf825c-da9e-4464-81a7-3bba31f5be8a

blueshoes · 28/05/2022 23:45

ScrollingLeaves · 28/05/2022 22:45

Sky news tonight at 10 reported on Ukrainian refugees in Russia. It was heartening to learn that in St Petersburg there are Russian self-organised volunteers trying to help, including by raising money for tickets for refugees. This FT article which I was able to read free also writes about this:
The Russian network helping Ukrainians flee the country | Financial Times
www.ft.com/content/33cf825c-da9e-4464-81a7-3bba31f5be8a

This restores my faith. Godspeed.

Ijsbear · 29/05/2022 08:42

Key Takeaways

Russian forces pressed the ground assault on Severodonetsk and its environs, making limited gains.

Russian forces in Kharkiv continue to focus efforts on preventing a Ukrainian counteroffensive from reaching the international border between Kharkiv and Belgorod.

Ukrainian forces began a counteroffensive near the Kherson-Mykolaiv oblast border approximately 70 km to the northeast of Kherson City that may have crossed the Inhulets River.

Russia’s use of stored T-62 tanks in the southern axis indicates Russia’s continued materiel and force generation problems.

Ukrainian partisan activity continues to impose costs on Russian occupation forces in Kherson and Zaporizhia oblasts.

www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-conflict-updates

[the whole thing is really worth a read, it's surprisingly positive. Russians have made gains but - well, read the article]

In haste, more later

Ukraine Invasion: Part 26
RedToothBrush · 29/05/2022 08:43

The Ukrainian Armed Forces have declared they have just launched a major offensive in the South near Kherson.

The official communication talks about the Russians having major losses and how the quality of their reserves isn't good. It says they are using 50 year old tanks.

Twitter is pointing out this fits with reports that newer equipment was sent to the front in the east whilst old equipment was reportedly sent to the south.

How big this offensive is, isn't very clear at this point. Nor are its intended goals. There isn't a lot about it other than an official announcement that it has started.

Tbh, the Ukrainians could do with some good news this week given reports from the east were on the face of it grim.

I think this thread from yesterday is worth posting (im about 3 days behind everything this week. I have a lot going on in RL atm).

Phillips P OBrien AT PhillipsPObrien
Ukrainian strategy in the Donbas has certainly been the subject of some discussion--primarily because they have taken the decision to fight for what seems like a shrinking pocket which the Russians are clearly trying to encircle.

It would not be surprising if they pulled out of SDonetsk and established a less threatened defensive line to the west around Kramatorsk, for instance, which could be more easily supplied, instead of holding on to S Donetsk which has only two rather vulnerable access roads

However, the Ukrainian strategy seems not only not to withdraw, but to reinforce the whole Donbas area. Was struck by this line in a just published AT IAPonomarenko AT KyivIndependent article. Ukrainian high command even reinforcing the far tip of the pocket.

Seems to be that the Ukrainian command has determined that they can make the Russians fight for the whole pocket, and that the wastage they can inflict on the Russians is worth the risk. Here is the whole story. its worth a read.
https://kyivindependent.com/national/welcome-to-hell-ukrainian-airborne-fighting-russia-in-donbas-woods/

Other evidence that the Ukrainians are reinforcing the pocket in the last two days seem to confirm this. The governor of Donetsk has talked about Ukrainian reinforcements coming to the area.

US DOD spokesperson J Kirby said yesterday that a number of the howitzer systems the US has sent to Ukraine are fighting in the Donbas. And moreover it seems that the Ukrainians want to fight for what they have there. Ukrainians will continue to resist there.

So there are signs in the that the Ukrainians are going to attrit the Russians down by making them fight for the whole pocket--including Severdonetsk. Its also interesting to see the irritation expressed at some who were arguing the pocket was collapsing.

This would be consistent with their strategy in the beginning, to hold onto cities and force the RUssians to try and fight street to street and bleed them down. I tried to talk about that in this piece published a while back in AT theAtlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/ukraine-military-strategy-russian-failure-kyiv/629514/

Now, maybe those prophesying Ukrainian collapse in the pocket are right, and the Ukrainian army there is in terrible shape and should withdraw. Its just interesting to note that the Ukrainians dont seem to see it that way at present.

Worth adding that Pres Zelensky's speech last night seemed to be very much a call to keep fighting to hold the Donbas. No sign of preparing for a retreat.

There was talk a few days ago that the Ukrainians might be preparing the population for such a pullback. For now that seems to be no longer the case.

And this morning's communique from the Ukrainian armed forces also is portraying the situation in the Donbas as relatively under control. Claims to have beaten back Russian attacks around Severodonetsk, and Bakhmut.

Even update from the Ukrainian armed forces. Russian attempts to expand out again from the Popasna bulge and towards SDonetsk have been unsuccessful.

Lots of reliance on artillery (not surprisingly). Though wonder if the Russians are running out of the mass of front line armor and APCs needed to advance. Has been a noticeable decline in Ukrainian claims of Russian losses the last week. Will tweet more on that tomorrow.

Counter to that is claims by the Chechens they have taken control of Severodonetsk (no evidence of that at this stage) and reports of Ukrainian desertations in Severodonetsk. (There was an article in the Washington Post with a couple of deserters who were fully aware they risked court martial for doing so. They said they couldn't take anymore after 50% losses in their unit. If I can find it again, I'll post). These desertation reports do seem to have credibility. The feeling was they felt they had been abandoned / forgotten by their government and were not getting enough support and without proper air support it was near suicidal. This says that Ukrainian morale in some areas is running into genuine problems.

So definitely a mixed picture and one hard to manage in terms of crucial PR.

Oh and did you hear the one about the Germans foot dragging on heavy weapons and tanks? Again...

Ukraine Invasion: Part 26