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My daughter’s clinginess is making me depressed.

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EverydayImPuzzling · 18/04/2022 16:25

I’m posting here on chat as the behaviour/development board seemed awfully quiet, and I wasn’t sure where else was suitable.

I love my daughter to pieces. She is 2.5 years old and an only child. When she’s on form, she’s the light of my life. She is a true joy to be around, she is very affectionate and funny.

However, she is exceptionally clingy to me and it’s really affecting my mental health.

I have to stay in the room with her while she falls asleep, not her Dad and certainly not on her own. Failure to comply will result in the most horrendous tantrums.

If she is a little upset/hungry/tired her behaviour, as is normal for her age, can be quite dramatic but it always centres around me. She will hit me and demand I stand up and carry her around. If her Dad enters the room or tries to help in anyway she will start screaming for him to go away. So whilst he tries to help, in the moment it just makes everything 10x worse. So I will just deal with it.

It’s very difficult for me to leave the house and sometimes even the room. I do all the “right” things and explain where I am going and how long I will be but the result is always tears and often screaming meltdowns. So I don’t often leave the house without her. She goes to nursery 4 days a week and is very happy here, but I work 35 hours over those 4 days so I get very little time to myself.

I know some (maybe a lot?) of this behaviour is likely normal for her age, especially if she’s upset/hungry/tired but I also don’t know if there’s more we should do to try and reduce her clinginess to me? It also seems to just be getting worse over the last few weeks. My husband has all but given up now as he thinks she doesn’t like him.

I didn’t grow up in the most loving of environments and sometimes I think I am too soft on her. Although, she does have the most almighty tantrums, even from a newborn she was 0 to 60 in 3 seconds flat. Her cry was and still is absolutely unbearable. I have found parenting very difficult at times and we have no family support.

Can anyone recommend anything we can try? You can probably tell I’d favour a gentle approach. But in all honesty I’m desperate now. We are going abroad in a couple of weeks and I am dreading being with her for ten days in a row, the last four have almost broken me.

Please be gentle, I’m really struggling.

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LynnThese4reSEXPEOPLE · 18/04/2022 20:55

You have my sympathy and empathy. I have 2 male children. The older one went through this phase, and the younger (also 2.5) is going through it now. It is horrible but it does pass, I promise.

They are having a language explosion. They are experiencing big emotions that they have no way of understanding and very little ability to process. They are realising that you have an existence outside of them. They want to explore the world but at the same time they cling to their constant, Mummy. It is exhausting and tiring but it does not last very long. Lots of cuddles, lots of reassurance and distract distract distract. As for bedtime, I'd try leaving the house 30 mins before bed if you can. She's more likely to settle for your partner if you aren't an option. Have some wine x

Gwlondon · 18/04/2022 21:09

You can do this. Some kids are more intense. My oldest was more intense. Second is much calmer.

Decide what you want. Make a plan. Agree with your husband and just work to make it more manageable.

You can do this. X

Lady1576 · 18/04/2022 21:59

Wow! Phew for the last few posters. I was just despairing about my son (who my instinct tells me is sensitive but not ND), but questioning everything I’ve ever done as a terrible permissive parent with a fractured attachment problem with my ds. Again I don’t think I am a terrible permissive parent with no boundaries. But perhaps a perfect storm of breastfeeding / co-sleeping, covid, sahm mix with naturally sensitive child may have occurred here too! Just to add, the times when it has been hard to leave the room etc have been when a few hours later he ended up throwing up or being sick in some other way, so then I felt really guilty for being stressed out by his clingyness. It was bad again yesterday when we had a huge family gathering that we haven’t been able to have in two years. So I can kind of explain the bad patches. Also a new brother now! OP his brother, as far as I can tell (early days) is a totally different personality; super chilled and loves to be with his dad, happily goes in the pram, falls asleep from drowsy but awake… so don’t rule out baby no. 2 entirely (although it is hard when ds1 is clingy).

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mehumumu · 18/04/2022 22:26

My Ds was and is clingy and I currently have DD age 2 and half also who is the same. However everyone I know stays with their young children as they fall asleep. It's more of an old fashioned thing to shut the door and go off. I have just stopped lying with my DS who is my older child as he is about to turn 6. I do his books then leave once the light is off.

I do think 'extended' breastfeeding makes a very strong attachment to the one parent. I did this for both of mine until 2 ish. So to me you have a lot of time away from your child when they are at nursery. You don't have this as down time, as you are working. I appreciate your child doesn't see Daddy for all that time either. So yes some quality Daddy time is important, but so is some quality mummy time. Not doing house jobs, on your phone ( guilty of that myself too) or half watching Tv. Dedicate 15 -30 minutes of quality time after nursery ( phone in drawer, Tv & radio off).

Also let them have some Tv time 📺 it's great !!!

Lacdepassy · 19/04/2022 08:06

My middle child was very much like this - she used to cling to me all the time. She would also have terrible overwhelming tantrums where she would get really panicked.

I also bf her until 2 However, I breastfed the other 2 siblings for the same time and they are both completely different characters.

I don't think you've done anything "wrong" - she is what she is at this stage of life. Everything is a phase. She's just a child who needs lots of reassurance and contact from her primary care giver. It'll all soon pass.

At the moment - you need respite and as she sounds like she does well with routine this is something you'll need to have support from your dh. Make a plan then stick to it. Ie every sunday morning - go for a walk and leave her with dh. Make sure she knows its Sunday morning, mum is out for a couple of hours as it happens every week.

For instant sanity - can you book a few days annual leave while she is in nursery?

Also just to let you know my dd is now a healthy teenager, confident, kind with lots of friends and a great sense of humour. It all passes. 😊

Bumpsadaisie · 19/04/2022 08:21

Time for dad to step up and for you both to show her that

  • you are in charge (kindly and with consideration for the fact that she is a very small person with very big feelings that she doesn't know how to manage by herself)
  • that in fact mummy and daddy are the couple, not mummy and her (as was the case in her mind when she was tiny)
  • that to help with this "loss" of mummy, and feeling left out of the couple, she has daddy- who she can turn to and enjoy getting to know and have a new sort of relationship with.

It's an important development stage she's going through.

Bumpsadaisie · 19/04/2022 08:24

... and one that's not achieved overnight... it'll time time for her to learn this lessons and come to terms with them.

Shemovesshemoves21 · 19/04/2022 08:24

My goodness I could've written this post myself down to the last detail. I'll start by saying you're doing great, it's HARD with a toddler and trying to navigate their feelings when they can't navigate them themselves! I started with bedtime, did a reward sticker chart and talked about the expectations throughout the day and as we put her to bed. I said if she got out of bed and had a tantrum I would shut the door (she doesn't like her door shut at night) - I'd follow through and shut the door for 10 seconds and then tell her to get back to bed - and it worked (you repeat the process adding 5 seconds to each door shutting until you hit 60 seconds...never went beyond 20 seconds for us). With the clingyness in the daytime, I made a conscious effort to let her dad get up with her in the morning, eat breakfast with her, take her the shops or the playpark on their own - I basically took a massive back seat for a couple of weeks and gave them space together. It wasn't perfect and she did kick off but it got an awful lot better. My sister was also the same until my dad took her on the bus for the first time and then she was a total daddy's girl from then on, so maybe he could do something totally mundane to us, but she would find it amazing? It will get better but please do make time for yourself when you're ready for that - wishing you all the best!

BertieBotts · 19/04/2022 09:34

I know we need to be firmer with her, in the moment it has always felt like a case of “pick your battles” but we obviously aren’t having enough battles so now the boundaries are too blurred.

Yes. This is common if you come to gentle parenting from a position of "I don't like conflict because my only experience of conflict is scary and unhealthy" and/or "having boundaries is mean if it makes people [my child] upset" and/or "it's my job to alleviate as much discomfort from my child as necessary; I should weigh every incident against the necessity [safety, etc]"

Most gentle parenting type resources are aimed at parents who are too controlling and too authoritarian. So advice about picking your battles, only having rules when you need to, using less conflict, loosening the boundary, handing over control - these will not be calibrated for your starting point if you're coming to it from a place of being too permissive or too people-pleasing or too martyrish.

Then it's difficult to find advice that you feel comfortable with because a lot of the advice coming from "You're too soft, you need to do XYZ" will be from a rewards-and-consequences mindset which if you've spent loads of time reading about the downsides of this will probably feel unsatisfying. Although I will say that although I lean more towards gentle parenting in general, when I was getting so stressed that it was causing me to shout and scream I realised that doing this was much worse than a calm, controlled, clear, non-scary consequence such as losing TV time or similar, so if you need to dial back from the gentle scale and lean in to reward and punishment? Do it. It doesn't mean that all the benefits of the other bits of your parenting will be undone. You can choose this as a short cut just as you would sometimes serve chicken nuggets and understand that is acceptable when the whole diet is balanced, just as sometimes you will have whole weeks where you only serve convenience foods [you're ill, you're having a kitchen renovation] and understand that it doesn't matter because you're working on the resources that will allow you to build a more balanced diet.

So building a more balanced parenting:

Understand that consistency is about always having the same boundary, not necessarily about always having the same response. If you sometimes respond to jumping on the sofa with a threat of punishment and sometimes respond by talking her down and sometimes respond with distraction, that is still consistent. If you think that the only way to be consistent is to have the same response but your chosen response is to talk/explain/redirect and on some days you don't have the energy so you pretend not to notice or do it half heartedly without following through, that is not being consistent and she will be confused at what your expectation is.

Understand that being a "fun parent" is not about saying yes all of the time. You actually build an incorrect assumption in here. If you have in your head that the rule is "we don't jump on sofas but I want to be fun so let's do it today!" and today is happening 5/10 times, then your rule isn't clear at all. In fact what she experiences is that the rule is that jumping on the sofa is fine, and the days that you say no she thinks you're just being mean for no reason. (This can also reinforce an incorrect belief in the parent that boundaries are mean.) It actually leads to the opposite perception - you need to have some clear rules that you occasionally (like, 1 in 20 times) deviate from. Not always deviating from the rule because it doesn't matter today but the time it does matter, it seems unfair to her.

Turn pick your battles on its head - instead of thinking does this matter right now and therefore saying no and dropping the battle too much of the time, ask yourself will this make my life easier in future? And if it does, that's a great battle to pick! It's just about adjusting the lens through which you view and make these in the moment decisions.

Read/listen to Janet Lansbury about accepting difficult feelings. If your feelings were dismissed in childhood you can feel an incredible sense of responsibility for your child's emotions, which is misplaced and will make it very difficult to make decisions which cause her to suffer in the slightest way unless they are very well justified. Again adjust your lens here. Your child is responsible for her own emotional response. You are responsible for allowing her space and co-regulation if necessary, and language to explore/process those feelings, you are responsible for preventing harm caused by expression of those feelings, you are responsible for not maliciously causing upset, but it is not your responsibility to prevent any upset feelings at all, and it is not helpful to try and do that. They will experience sadness, loss, disappointment, frustration etc in life. They start learning the tools to deal with those feelings by being allowed to experience them.

The Whole Brain Child is also good here.

Still Awake is a great book by Lyndsey Hookway about toddler to teen sleep. In terms of boundaries and patterns that you may want to change. I would highly recommend it.

I have heard Parent Effectiveness Training is good for a better understanding of how and when to set boundaries without being overly concerned with punishment (which is not the only way to uphold a boundary). I haven't read it though.

You can follow all the other great stuff in gentle parenting even if you come from this mindset! Just keep in mind that most advice around boundaries, expectations, rules and how to keep them probably isn't aimed at you, and won't help you calibrate.

SunshineAndFizz · 19/04/2022 11:19

We have a 2.5 year old and can totally sympathise. The tantrums can be full on, and she definitely asks for me more, which is tough. Also went through a phase where I had to sit with her until she fell asleep...which then spilled into her waking during the night and wanting me to sit with her then too. Got way too much.

It was hard, but we had to readjust the boundaries. I explained I'd be 'going to work' and daddy was going to put her down to sleep (so she knew it wasn't an option to have me there). He then said he'd be laying her down (after the usual bath, story etc routine) and would be leaving the room, and she had to go to sleep herself. Took a little while, had to calmly keep laying her down and repeating the message. Be prepared for crying. But eventually she learnt and now goes down a dream.

Once you've cracked bedtime you can try similar approach during the day (explain why you can't be the one to do something, and stick to it) and she'll eventually get the message.

Good luck, you're not alone x x

Bumpsadaisie · 19/04/2022 11:35

I couldn't agree more with the brilliant response @BertieBotts has given below:

Read/listen to Janet Lansbury about accepting difficult feelings. If your feelings were dismissed in childhood you can feel an incredible sense of responsibility for your child's emotions, which is misplaced and will make it very difficult to make decisions which cause her to suffer in the slightest way unless they are very well justified. Again adjust your lens here. Your child is responsible for her own emotional response. You are responsible for allowing her space and co-regulation if necessary, and language to explore/process those feelings, you are responsible for preventing harm caused by expression of those feelings, you are responsible for not maliciously causing upset, but it is not your responsibility to prevent any upset feelings at all, and it is not helpful to try and do that. They will experience sadness, loss, disappointment, frustration etc in life. They start learning the tools to deal with those feelings by being allowed to experience them.

EverydayImPuzzling · 19/04/2022 13:38

Wow, I’m so grateful for everyone’s responses and the incredible advice within. I really appreciate it. And, for those who have been/are going through similar, it’s always nice to hear I’m not alone. Thank you all.

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Lady1576 · 19/04/2022 18:28

@BertieBotts

I know we need to be firmer with her, in the moment it has always felt like a case of “pick your battles” but we obviously aren’t having enough battles so now the boundaries are too blurred.

Yes. This is common if you come to gentle parenting from a position of "I don't like conflict because my only experience of conflict is scary and unhealthy" and/or "having boundaries is mean if it makes people [my child] upset" and/or "it's my job to alleviate as much discomfort from my child as necessary; I should weigh every incident against the necessity [safety, etc]"

Most gentle parenting type resources are aimed at parents who are too controlling and too authoritarian. So advice about picking your battles, only having rules when you need to, using less conflict, loosening the boundary, handing over control - these will not be calibrated for your starting point if you're coming to it from a place of being too permissive or too people-pleasing or too martyrish.

Then it's difficult to find advice that you feel comfortable with because a lot of the advice coming from "You're too soft, you need to do XYZ" will be from a rewards-and-consequences mindset which if you've spent loads of time reading about the downsides of this will probably feel unsatisfying. Although I will say that although I lean more towards gentle parenting in general, when I was getting so stressed that it was causing me to shout and scream I realised that doing this was much worse than a calm, controlled, clear, non-scary consequence such as losing TV time or similar, so if you need to dial back from the gentle scale and lean in to reward and punishment? Do it. It doesn't mean that all the benefits of the other bits of your parenting will be undone. You can choose this as a short cut just as you would sometimes serve chicken nuggets and understand that is acceptable when the whole diet is balanced, just as sometimes you will have whole weeks where you only serve convenience foods [you're ill, you're having a kitchen renovation] and understand that it doesn't matter because you're working on the resources that will allow you to build a more balanced diet.

So building a more balanced parenting:

Understand that consistency is about always having the same boundary, not necessarily about always having the same response. If you sometimes respond to jumping on the sofa with a threat of punishment and sometimes respond by talking her down and sometimes respond with distraction, that is still consistent. If you think that the only way to be consistent is to have the same response but your chosen response is to talk/explain/redirect and on some days you don't have the energy so you pretend not to notice or do it half heartedly without following through, that is not being consistent and she will be confused at what your expectation is.

Understand that being a "fun parent" is not about saying yes all of the time. You actually build an incorrect assumption in here. If you have in your head that the rule is "we don't jump on sofas but I want to be fun so let's do it today!" and today is happening 5/10 times, then your rule isn't clear at all. In fact what she experiences is that the rule is that jumping on the sofa is fine, and the days that you say no she thinks you're just being mean for no reason. (This can also reinforce an incorrect belief in the parent that boundaries are mean.) It actually leads to the opposite perception - you need to have some clear rules that you occasionally (like, 1 in 20 times) deviate from. Not always deviating from the rule because it doesn't matter today but the time it does matter, it seems unfair to her.

Turn pick your battles on its head - instead of thinking does this matter right now and therefore saying no and dropping the battle too much of the time, ask yourself will this make my life easier in future? And if it does, that's a great battle to pick! It's just about adjusting the lens through which you view and make these in the moment decisions.

Read/listen to Janet Lansbury about accepting difficult feelings. If your feelings were dismissed in childhood you can feel an incredible sense of responsibility for your child's emotions, which is misplaced and will make it very difficult to make decisions which cause her to suffer in the slightest way unless they are very well justified. Again adjust your lens here. Your child is responsible for her own emotional response. You are responsible for allowing her space and co-regulation if necessary, and language to explore/process those feelings, you are responsible for preventing harm caused by expression of those feelings, you are responsible for not maliciously causing upset, but it is not your responsibility to prevent any upset feelings at all, and it is not helpful to try and do that. They will experience sadness, loss, disappointment, frustration etc in life. They start learning the tools to deal with those feelings by being allowed to experience them.

The Whole Brain Child is also good here.

Still Awake is a great book by Lyndsey Hookway about toddler to teen sleep. In terms of boundaries and patterns that you may want to change. I would highly recommend it.

I have heard Parent Effectiveness Training is good for a better understanding of how and when to set boundaries without being overly concerned with punishment (which is not the only way to uphold a boundary). I haven't read it though.

You can follow all the other great stuff in gentle parenting even if you come from this mindset! Just keep in mind that most advice around boundaries, expectations, rules and how to keep them probably isn't aimed at you, and won't help you calibrate.

This was soooo helpful! Thank you for taking the time to really explain this perspective.
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