Are we going to be sending Ukranians to Rwanda?

[IsraelAndRoo]

If Rwanda goes ahead, or is it just other nationalities we will be shipping there for processing?

I don't support the Rwanda plans at all but surely this is hugely xenophobic if it's the case?

I'm not horrible either - as explained upthread the situation in Syria is long-running (and yet when it was only weeks into the Crisis the options offered to Ukranians were simply not thought about or offered).

If you don't believe the way the UK has handled the various situations has no discrepancies that's totally up to you but there are huge disparities between what is being offered to Ukrainians vs those from African and Middle Eastern Nations, surely you can see that?

If you are a Ukrainian without family here you are in the same place as a Syrian without family here.

Maybe you could be one of the 0.02% that have found a sponsored room here from those who have fled. Statistically the chance is tiny though and not something to rely on.
My friends did house a really pleasant Syrian man some time ago, he was pretty much as statistically lucky. Not something the vast overwhelming of people will be able to access.

As many people have fled Ukraine in a few months as fled Syria in 10 years.
Do you not consider that sometimes there needs to be a rapid response due to overwhelming numbers combined with geographical proximity? Like Turkey had to do, Poland and Moldova are doing. Sheer numbers of people

I saw this picture on Twitter the other day and genuinely laughed at the accuracy

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What is expected to happen if the refugee is sent to Rwanda? What is Rwanda expected to do? This sounds horrific. I heard someone on TV explain that this has been tried before and on average the refugee spent a week in the country they were shipped to before leaving and trying to make their way back again to where they were originally trying to get to. So it creates more opportunities for the smugglers.

Surely you can see that observing those who have fantastically less than you, and weighing and measuring their both differently shit deals from the UK is pretty disgusting for any refugee?
People with nothing, fleeing war. And you argue that you perceive one has a tiny little bit more than another? Without even investing the time to look much? To score a home political point?
I’d love to see a fair and proper route for any refugee. I wouldn’t even care about visas personally. I don’t want to block any country or person.
But the UK weigh and measure crumbs? I’d happily cut what I have hugely to offer more

The Woke: Immigration is hugely beneficial to a country. It makes it a more interesting place, a more vibrant place, a more successful place. Immigrants build nations and make them better. They are needed to be doctors, nurses, scientists and engineers. A modern successful nation thrives on immigration and can’t survive without it. The more immigration the better, as it’s a powerful resource which improves and develops a country in every way imaginable.

The Woke: Sending immigrants to Rwanda is barbaric and evil. It will destroy Rwanda. It’s sickening to put people in a place they don’t understand, they have no connection to, and where they will be a huge drain on limited resources.

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Who are The Woke?

Let us be blunt. They say this is aimed at solo male migrants. What they actually mean is that it is aimed at migrants with darker skin. Screams racism.

The United Kingdom population is equivalent to 0.87% of the total world population so, when considering the UK has about 1% of the worlds refugees we are doing pretty well imo.

@ElenaSt

The Woke: Immigration is hugely beneficial to a country. It makes it a more interesting place, a more vibrant place, a more successful place. Immigrants build nations and make them better. They are needed to be doctors, nurses, scientists and engineers. A modern successful nation thrives on immigration and can’t survive without it. The more immigration the better, as it’s a powerful resource which improves and develops a country in every way imaginable.

The Woke: Sending immigrants to Rwanda is barbaric and evil. It will destroy Rwanda. It’s sickening to put people in a place they don’t understand, they have no connection to, and where they will be a huge drain on limited resources.

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

That is a helpful angle, thanks.

Let us be blunt. The same people who speak of Ukrainians having too much are the same people who believe some version of ‘well we can’t let them all in!’ And support visas, respective travel that impacts those most in the third world and enjoy a great share of the worlds resources.

You’re essentially making sure no one gets ‘too much’ under one argument or another.

Who has claimed sending refugees to Rwanda will destroy Rwanda? I have never seen that claim from anyone, woke or otherwise.

@pedropony76 exactly, it's very true isn't it?

No one is saying Ukrainians have too much - people are saying that the Government are racist / xenophobic bunch of fucks.

@ElenaSt - true points too.

You are just stoking the fires of division with liking stuff like that Twitter post. Making us believe some have more and firing jealousy, when do few have anything.
Whereas ironically there’s far more unity among other nations of the world, or at least some alliance in seeing the UK as a greedy western nation that is screwing many countries and people regardless of colour.

I support visa free travel. I’d let anyone in as I said… would you?

@KyieveMii yet you don't see what has happened has racist / xenophobic?

I'm happy for anyone who needs safety to come to the UK, however, I would hope that all people would be treated fairly and without discrimination.

Not answering straight about entry are you? ‘Needs’

You’ll never get why your thread title is so distasteful and hurtful as you haven’t been through it. An entire adult life stressed about one visa or another, extended family crammed in your house fleeing war. That’s the only way people see it and have empathy for all. They don’t use others suffering to make a point or pick about other people with less than them. You are privileged and distasteful in how you argue.

Not just arguing for anyone’s rights, but comfortable speculating about further harm

I can't believe that you've seen the coverage of Ukraine over the last weeks and yet still post such a hateful message.

It's mainly women and children escaping the Russian invasion with permission to be here.

They are not young fit men who have travelled through several other safe countries before getting here.

If you can't see the difference then you must be spectacularly thick.

@AndAsIfByMagic she arguing people are helping Ukraine due to xenophobia, so… 🤷‍♀️
Maybe has missed the news and doesn’t know it’s abroad?

I could be wrong but I didn't think the OP thinks any refugee should be shipped out to Rwanda wherever they come from. My understanding is that single men in a dingy are refugees as are women and children from Ukraine.

@KyieveMii don't make assumptions, you have no idea what or what I have not been through.

I do know Ukraine is abroad (otherwise, everyone would be here already, funny that!) - if you can't see there has been a difference in treatment in people fleeing different war zones then that's your "blindness" you need to look at.

There was a lot of women and children fleeing Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya, even Rwanda at one time - they weren't given the same options to gain permission to be here. Hence why I was asking if people would now be treated the same - it seems not (as Ukrainians are coming through on visas and not claiming asylum as they've been given that option).

@Jewel1968 I think it's an abhorrent idea - for all - everyone (as I said) who needs a place of safety should be granted entry and be able to access a process which allows this without risking their lives, with no threat of being moved to Rwanda, as is happening with Ukrainians.

As I thought. Understood.

Ok what have you been through? I’m open.
I got a passport, my husband when I met him was on a work visa. Many years of police station visits and stress.
I applied for many family visas over the years, some refused. My brother in law was deported for over staying years ago on a mistake of his. Some visas were refused without real reason during the Georgian war so I went a long time not seeing some people.
Right now I have 6 adults and 4 children in a small three bed house and we’ve had a horrible time getting people here- a month. I can’t bring my cousins child as they are 19, not covered by the family scheme and I can’t apply as a sponsor as I have no spare room.
Many of my friends and family are still in Ukraine.

My frustration is also high from years and years of working with refugee families in schools too and similar narratives being popular over time. That they get houses or whatever and it’s all so easy. Every refugee hears it.

As I said Ukrainians cannot apply for asylum, the guidance says so- there are safe areas.

What’s made this all personal for you? I’m open why I’m sensitive. I’m living it. It’s my life and it’s horrible right now.

You care about others in some circumstances? What are they and why?