Asylum seekers to the UK sent to Rwanda

[Dodie66]

What do you think about the governments plan to send all asylum seekers that come to the UK to Rwanda to be processed. I think this is inhumane. A lot of them have come from places like Syria, Iran etc and travelled across the channel with all the associated risks only to be sent 6000 mile to be processed. What about the cost to do this? I think it’s a big mistake

I think it's a great idea. Just hope they do it.

Surely it would be cheaper to set up some sort of registration scheme in Calais / Northern France?

Ideally a Europe wide / multinational registration scheme where you could apply for asylum in several countries with long term plans for other family to follow if the claim is successful.

What I don't understand it's always seems to be boats and boats of single males early twenty's.

where are all the kids, women and middle age people .

Read the thread. It's explained.

OP do you speak French well enough to work in France? Well enough to tell a doctor what's wrong with you when you're in pain and understand what they tell you your treatment options? What about in German or Dutch?

If you had to flee the UK, would you prefer to live in France, Belgium, The Netherlands or Germany? Or would you prefer to go to Canada, the US, or Australia? Where do you think you could make a life for you and your family? Do you think you could learn French, Dutch/Flemish or German very quickly? Think you'd be able to afford the hundreds of hours of lessons - plus exams that need to be sat to show you're at a sufficient level?

Or would you rather go somewhere where you can actually speak the language?

People talk about this "nearest country" business but if you can't speak the language, WTF are you supposed to do once you're there? Live in a tent for the rest of your life? Even people who like camping aren't up for that.

What Brits generally don't understand is what it's like to not speak the language somewhere. So many people around the world speak English and we generally do not learn foreign languages at all, never mind to a functional level.

It's worth noting that France also receives a lot of immigrants. They're the ones who speak French as a second/additional language.

I doubt cost will be an issue, given the cost of housing here.

The questions for me are is it legal? Will the scheme stop people from taking their lives into their hands getting into stupidly small overcrowded boats? Will it stop (or at least drastically reduce) people smuggling?

It might benefit Rwanda, creating stable employment and incoming revenue in the process.

• not sure why my post starts with OP! Not directed at OP!

I'm so disgusted that this is even being contemplated. When you start to talk about human life with terms like 'processing' you start to dehumanise them. I honestly thought we'd reached the bottom of the barrel with this Government, but no - they always manage to find a new low.

@FrenchBulldogsareFab

Good solution to break the people trafficing gang business model. Australia and Denmark have similar policy and it works. True and deserving asylum seekers should be offered sanctuary but illegal economic migrants barred.

“It works”?! The Australian system is notorious for the suffering it causes refugees: prolonged detention in brutal conditions of extreme heat, everyday items confiscated, reports of child sexual abuse, and suicide attempts are common. And Denmark is terrible too. They have been trying to force settled Syrian refugees back to Syria (where some may face arrest and torture) by imprisoning them in camps. They have confiscated asylum seekers’ possessions, and the government was aiming for a target of zero successful asylum applications. That was before they made exemptions for Ukrainian refugees, as fellow Europeans and, one can only infer, because mostly Ukrainians are neither brown-skinned nor Muslim. www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57156835.amp www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/denmark-had-a-goal-of-zero-asylum-seekers-until-ukraine-was-invaded-by-russia/ www.hrw.org/news/2016/08/02/australia-appalling-abuse-neglect-refugees-nauru amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/10/the-nauru-files-2000-leaked-reports-reveal-scale-of-abuse-of-children-in-australian-offshore-detention

If it stopps some of the trafficking it would be a great idea!
And yes, I too believe that the majority of people that arrive illegally on the Kent beaches are young, male and economic migrants. We have no obligation to house, feed and care for them.

They have already travelled through several safe countries that would have granted every single one asylum if they were genuine.

Doubious family connections or language barriers are just not enough to warrant £,£££ paid to criminals and a potentially deadly journey across the Channel.

Honestly, my sympathy is wearing thin, especially when I look around me with a massive housing shortage, the cost of basic food going up and very long waiting times for hospital treatments or dentists.
You can't look after others if you don't take care of yourself.

We can help, but this help should be delivered long before anyone enters the clutches of criminal trafficking gangs.

I think Priti Patel is a psychopath.

Its a stored up dead cat story meant to distract us from the partygate news. It will distress and occupy the opposition and whip up their base. The party is no longer Conservative but a UKIP/BNP monster

I think it's disgusting. It won't stop people from crossing the Channel because the pull is still there: to get into the system. Currently, you have to be in the UK before you can apply for asylum. The only way to stop people dying in the Channel is to allow people to apply for asylum in the UK from overseas.

This is a headline grab to distract from Boris being the most useless, lazy, morally bankrupt criminal ever to disgrace the office of Prime Minister.

I think people have had their eyes opened now to refugees - given the scenes of what we see from Ukraine.

If people saw the issues in countries people flee from on their news everyday, maybe views would change more.

I am sure some people are trying to escape economic issues and are trying to get better lives.

Then there are those who are fleeing war, persecution and are fleeing for their lives. The UK will always be a draw to them - language, friends and community.

2/3 of people who come by boat gain asylum status successfully. Eventually. It takes a long time (those were the figures on R4 this morning)

What will happen to the 1/3 who don't gain asylum status - will they be kept in Rwanda?

We need to sort out safe routes. We need to improve our processing and the Home Office needs to get its act together. We have seen how slow it's been with Ukrainian refugees.

Will it deter people? Who knows? I am sure there will be camera crews in Calais now talking about this with people.

@BewareTheLibrarians, whilst I don't agree with it I just have to point out they were not housed in shitty barracks, millions had been spent updating the barracks near me , then they set fire to it
Some are now housed in local hotels
I just wanted to put the record straight, as I said I don't agree with it but I think the truth is important

When asked about this on LBC 8 days ago, a minister from the Home Office had not a clue about this Rwanda story. He said they had enough issues getting refugees from Ukraine. The Home Office will not be able to implement this effectively. They are completely useless and you dont need to look far to see evidence if that

Can we have a link to this info OP?

Thanks

Sorry now for the link twitter.com/bmay/status/1514360143001104393?s=20&t=KtngmXwyudcwuG7htp4XXg

Just as I thought - another non-story

@Thesefeetaremadeforwalking

Can we have a link to this info OP?

Thanks

Link

lmgtfy.app/?q=uk+rwanda+refugees

What they need to do is put facilities to process asylum claims in calais. If people are being dealt with before they try and cross the channel they'll be less likely to try, and there will be far less need for desperate people to pay people traffickers.

There's plenty of women and children on those inflatable dinghys. I've seen them with my own eyes. Even if it was young men, are they less deserving of asylum because they're male? Bit sexist isn't it? I thought we had moved on from the days of the titanic where it was women and children first.

What if a white person came along to calais claiming to be from ukraine but with no papers. Would the uk let them skip the queue because they're white? Or would they be sent to rwanda with everyone else? Is it just brown and black people who would be going to rwanda?

Its a fucking terrible idea. There are far, far more cheaper and effective ways of stopping the channel crossings but this racist government want to send them halfway across the world to placate racist voters. In the meantime they're happy for people to die.

Inhumane and abhorrent.

So, you dislike the idea. What ideas would you want implemented in order to control mass immigration?

Honestly, my sympathy is wearing thin, especially when I look around me with a massive housing shortage, the cost of basic food going up and very long waiting times for hospital treatments or dentists.
You can't look after others if you don't take care of yourself.

None of this is the fault of migrants, it’s 100% the fault of the Government yet you’ve fallen for their nasty rhetoric.

I’m disgusted by this policy. It’s inhumane.

I thought we took asylum seekers from Rwanda? Does this mean that Rwanda is now a safe country? That aside, anything that deters people from coming here is a good thing.

@Ylvamoon agree entirely, the NHS is at breaking point. As usual the thread is full of virture signalling do gooders.

@AlexaShutUp I completely disagree. They are much better adjusted than our kids coming out of care. They have different difficulties with language, home sickness, one off traumas. Their trauma is different then abused dc in this country. It's obvious who the bad guy is and it doesn't get internalised. It's PTSD rather than CPTSD. I think boarding school would be a much better option than being stuck in a shitty hostel with a load of english care leavers their own age who qre completely alien to them with their (I'm not saying this is everyone) drug taking, relationship dramas, excessive alcohol consumption and parties. They come from a completely different culture and find it very hard to live with. I think boarding school would be great. Children in care also get boarding school places, those dc that then go into a leaving care service on the whole are much better adjusted and do far better than the ones bouncing round foster care and residentials.