Asylum seekers to the UK sent to Rwanda

[Dodie66]

What do you think about the governments plan to send all asylum seekers that come to the UK to Rwanda to be processed. I think this is inhumane. A lot of them have come from places like Syria, Iran etc and travelled across the channel with all the associated risks only to be sent 6000 mile to be processed. What about the cost to do this? I think it’s a big mistake

@MrsLargeEmbodied

try living in Kent then *@carefullycourageous*, open up your house

I intend to when the kids leave, as my parents do currently.

@MrsLargeEmbodied

try living in Kent then *@carefullycourageous*, open up your house

If only we had a whole country available to help support refugees?

[quote MindMyMinge]and BOOM the old racist card has been pulled out of the hat @carefullycourageous - brilliant > slow hand clap

@MindMyMinge it always get pulled out when people make perfectly reasonable arguments against immigration, so bloody predictable !!!

[quote lollipoprainbow]@MindMyMinge it always get pulled out when people make perfectly reasonable arguments against immigration, so bloody predictable !!! [/quote]
It was about voting far right. Try to read the actual words.

[quote lollipoprainbow]@MindMyMinge it always get pulled out when people make perfectly reasonable arguments against immigration, so bloody predictable !!! [/quote]
You seem to be confusing immigration with refugees and asylum seekers.

We have an immigration policy.

What do you think our policy should be to those who are fleeing persecution and war?

Just say we are full, Go somewhere else. We can't help you.

What was the parable of The Good Samaritan again? No doubt he would be dismissed by the Daily Mail as a 'lefty, woke, do gooder'

@carefullycourageous all I saw was 'racist card card' ridiculous.

Plenty of people do open up their homes @MrsLargeEmbodied Again, because of my job, I know the many foster carers who take in unaccompanied children, people who run charities for adult asylum seekers to to volunteer so they’re not stuck in a hotel room all day and can integrate into their communities, charities who make sure asylum seekers have access to legal advice and so on.

In the wider context, there are people who open up their spare rooms for refugees, rent their houses to refugees for below market rate, although I don’t know them personally as they’re in different parts of the country. There are people and charities who run free English classes for asylum seekers, cooking classes, head teachers who visit hotels and make sure parents know their kids can attend school, and schools who go above and beyond to help the kids settle in.

It’s actually attitudes like yours that are in the minority.

[quote lollipoprainbow]@carefullycourageous all I saw was 'racist card card' ridiculous. [/quote]
I don't understand this post. Have you missed out some punctuation?

My points are upthread, we have already been over someone saying 'you're playing the racist card' to which I said it is not a card, I am just saying some comments on this thread are racist.

If people don't like being called racist, don't vote for racist parties.

Saying Kent has infrastructure issues is not racist, choosing to vote far right is not the answer though.

@carefullycourageous no, have you managed to squeeze the word racist enough into your post ??

@BewareTheLibrarians

i have seen videos of people in Hastings - shouting at the dinghies as they arrive, cursing them, making them very unwelcome
if you are unaware of this i am surprised - you need to get out more

Still a minority and the fact you align yourself with people who curse and threaten asylum seekers should be a wake up call for you, but I doubt it will be.

Again, I am well aware of the threats and abuse that asylum seekers face, but it doesn’t outweigh the number of people who support, protest against schemes like this, and work for charities. The angry, racist ones are just louder and you’ve fallen for that meaning that they’re more numerous.

Maybe you need “get out more” to see the good that people do, maybe volunteer, talk to some asylum seekers, get to know them and you’ll realise that all your prejudices are built on a big wobbly pile of crap.

[quote lollipoprainbow]@carefullycourageous no, have you managed to squeeze the word racist enough into your post ?? [/quote]
Not sure why you would have a problem with the word?

[quote MrsLargeEmbodied]@BewareTheLibrarians

i have seen videos of people in Hastings - shouting at the dinghies as they arrive, cursing them, making them very unwelcome
if you are unaware of this i am surprised - you need to get out more[/quote]
Yes, those people are clearly very unhappy.

There have always been people with pitchforks.

They are not necessarily the people who have the most rational policy suggestions though.

I am not aligning myself with them, I am warning about the possible rise in extreme right wing

Legitimate routes into the country would solve the problem of dinghies coming to shore in Kent.

We could even have regional quotas, so fly people into regional airports.

But this isn't what the racists want.

I did laugh, ( a hollow one admittedly) when Johnson passed off the Rwanda scheme as a Brexit bonus. Conveniently overlooking that his getting Brexit done meant that the Dublin convention no longer applied, we could no longer send people back to other EU countries, so had encouraged a bigger 'pull' factor.

@MrsLargeEmbodied

If you’re worried about the rise of the extreme right wing, challenge right wing attitudes when you see them (perhaps with some of the info from this thread), and challenge even “mild” attitudes like you’ve seen me do on this thread, for eg correct people who say they’re all economic migrants.

Lobby your mp for better conditions for residents in Kent and for moving asylum seekers more evenly around the country so Kent isn’t overwhelmed and right wing attitudes can’t take hold.

I don’t want to give you a long list of things to do as life is busy enough already for all of us, but those two things alone would be a huge help.

@cakeorwine
Ever wondered how those countries like Turkey cope with 4 million refugees and Colombia with 1.7 million?

Irrelevant. Upto them what they choose to do.

Our only obligation is to our population and we're failing them.

Genuine refugees such as those escaping war and persecution are one thing and economic migrants are another - simple

@ChoiceMummy

“We” aren’t failing anyone.
The government is failing all of us. Their refusal to organise safe routes to the UK just increases people coming by boat, making dangerous crossing and all arriving in the same part of the UK. The government could solve that problem, but they won’t. They are failing Kent and they don’t care.

As a poster said above, due to Brexit, the government can’t send asylum seekers who arrive in the UK back to Europe. Asylum seekers didn’t design Brexit, this government did.

Asylum seekers have no power. The government has all the power and they’re choosing not to help you. They’re choosing not to deal with the rising cost of living. They’re choosing to put the burden of asylum seeker arrivals on Kent. They’re choosing for more children than ever to live in poverty.

@annabelindajane

Genuine refugees such as those escaping war and persecution are one thing and economic migrants are another - simple

And the fact that around 70% of asylum claims are granted (and a significant portion of that 30% granted on appeal) suggests that the vast majority are genuine asylum seekers.

[quote ChoiceMummy]@cakeorwine
Ever wondered how those countries like Turkey cope with 4 million refugees and Colombia with 1.7 million?

Irrelevant. Upto them what they choose to do.

Our only obligation is to our population and we're failing them.[/quote]
Interesting perspective

Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Always relevant

@annabelindajane

Genuine refugees such as those escaping war and persecution are one thing and economic migrants are another - simple

fullfact.org/immigration/scott-benton-small-boats-economic-migrants/

Research suggests ‘vast majority’ are not economic migrants

Absolutely fair , those with a genuine case stay . Those that don’t go .