Asylum seekers to the UK sent to Rwanda

[Dodie66]

What do you think about the governments plan to send all asylum seekers that come to the UK to Rwanda to be processed. I think this is inhumane. A lot of them have come from places like Syria, Iran etc and travelled across the channel with all the associated risks only to be sent 6000 mile to be processed. What about the cost to do this? I think it’s a big mistake

@Spinachtastegud

Cakeorwine Interesting misrepresentation of Christianity. So in your logic the UK has to be prepared to accept 7.5 billion people ( standing room only ).

www.biblestudytools.com/proverbs/22-9.html

The generous will themselves be blessed, for they share their food with the poor

Johnson would just say "Sorry, I know I have plenty of food but tough shit, go to another person and get some"

(See also response to FSM during Covid)

I think the so called Tory MPs who pride themselves on being Christian are Christians in name only

it sounds like a good idea
we cannot continue having the people arriving in dinghies/or drowning on the way.

@Xenia

I just don't think we will send many of the 1m illegal immigrants in the UK there. We might send a token few so it will probably be a non issue. It is very very different from Australia by the way as we are not sending them away to be processed. We are sending them away full stop and Rwanda is accepting them to live there.

@Xenia The last time you posted re the 1 million, I asked for your source* and corrected your use of the phrase “illegal immigrants”

The fact you can’t provide a source or show an understanding or your incorrect terminology is very telling.

*if you’re using the source I think you are, it’s heavily disputed.

we run the risk of Nigel Farage and others returning

Is there something wrong with Rwanda?

@MrsLargeEmbodied

Syrians and Afghanistans are not christians - so no Jesus in their lives

The absolute lol of calling people uneducated while thinking there aren’t any Christian Syrians

@inmyslippers

Is there something wrong with Rwanda?

There are concerns over its human rights record

www.state.gov/reports/2021-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/rwanda/

@inmyslippers

Is there something wrong with Rwanda?

I take it people just don’t read the threads any more, as these questions have already been answered. But once more, as a treat @inmyslippers

From Israel’s “voluntary resettlement scheme” to Rwanda:

“All interviewees testified that upon landing in Rwanda the travel document produced by Israel, the only identity document in their possession, was taken away. They were transferred to a guarded hotel and were prevented, under threat, from leaving. None of them were given the opportunity to apply for asylum. Lacking identity documents and exposed to robberies and threats they were forced to embark on dangerous journeys.”

“Their lack of identity documents exposed them to robberies, threats and arrest, leading them to embark on a dangerous journey that included passing through South Sudan, Sudan and Libya in search of protection. Throughout the journey, the interviewees were subjected to human trafficking, incarceration, the threat of forcible deportation to Eritrea, harsh conditions of starvation, violence, slavery in torture camps in Libya and a dangerous crossing of the Mediterranean Sea from Libya to Europe.”

“The testimonies here portray a clear picture: the promises made by Israel to those ‘voluntarily’ departing to Rwanda and Uganda, which included granting legal status and protection in Rwanda and Uganda, were not kept.”

www.law.ox.ac.uk/research-subject-groups/centre-criminology/centreborder-criminologies/blog/2018/10/moving-under

@MrsLargeEmbodied

it sounds like a good idea we cannot continue having the people arriving in dinghies/or drowning on the way.

You think it’s a good idea to transport people who have often escaped from a country at war, off to a country with poor human rights records, on a one way ticket, without their consent and before it’s been determined whether they have the right to remain in the U.K.?

i also dont understand why they do not stay in France and why the risk their life coming here by boat at great expense

It sounded bizarre to me at first but now I think the climate is better there and hopefully some kind of structure will be set up allowing people to earn a living quicker and have a better life on a daily basis as opposed to just hanging around in the UK waiting

i believe the kent council cannot cope and have outsourced to other councils, who also cannot cope

@MrsLargeEmbodied

i also dont understand why they do not stay in France and why the risk their life coming here by boat at great expense

Why should France take them and not the U.K.? They may have family and friends here in the U.K.

@ChoiceMummy finally someone who talks sense, I agree with every word you say.

@cakeorwine why do you keep bleating on about how many refugees other countries take ?? It's not a competition as someone else previously pointed out.

@MrsLargeEmbodied of course they can't cope, it's crazy !!

@MrsLargeEmbodied

i also dont understand why they do not stay in France and why the risk their life coming here by boat at great expense

Maybe ask yourselves why they might want to do that?

[quote lollipoprainbow]@ChoiceMummy finally someone who talks sense, I agree with every word you say.

@cakeorwine why do you keep bleating on about how many refugees other countries take ?? It's not a competition as someone else previously pointed out. [/quote]
It's not a competition - but it's a bit embarassing for a country that wants to be a world leader, a beacon of democracy and human rights, an example to the world - to not do its bit when it comes to refugees.

@MrsLargeEmbodied

i also dont understand why they do not stay in France and why the risk their life coming here by boat at great expense

The UK only takes 8% of all asylum seekers who arrive in the EU.

The vast majority who come to the UK have family or other ties to the UK. Some may only speak English, not French or Italian and feel the risk is worth it to be able to survive everyday life and earn money. For survival/family, not designer clothes.

People traffickers will lie through their teeth and say you’ll get free benefits and a house, all so they can extort thousands of pounds. Changing government policy won’t change people traffickers methods. They just need to be wiped out, full stop.

And horrible shit happens on these journeys. Parents separated from children is not as rare as it should be. If you were that parent and heard your child might be in the Uk, would you just put your feet up in France and say, nah he’ll be fine?

If you had distant cousins in the Uk and no-one in Europe, would you stay? I remember one of the boys I worked with talking about how he made the decision, if he was worried about his safety doing the crossing from France to the Uk. He said “I didn’t care. I was alone. I was already dead.”

I think “bleating on” about numbers is quite important, as all the right wing hysteria starts to look a bit silly when you realise the UK only takes 8% of asylum seekers in the EU. Not the 110% that some would have you believe.

@MrsLargeEmbodied

it sounds like a good idea we cannot continue having the people arriving in dinghies/or drowning on the way.

Providing safe routes will do the same

as said below
the uk should be able to say No

[quote ChoiceMummy]@cakeorwine
Your statistics are totally irrelevant.
England is the most overcrowded large nation in Europe.
Why is this fact never addressed?
The UK is one of the most nature-depleted countries in the world and with no end to population growth in sight, pressure on wildlife, housing, public services and resources will continue to grow.
Net migration plus asylum seekers and refugees has been the main driver of population change since the 1990s.
The government estimates the UK needs 200,000 new houses a year to meet growing demand. Some experts say 300,000.
An extra 750,000 school places will be needed in England by 2025 because of growing population.
Health care funding has not kept up with population growth and mortality rates from preventable and treatable causes are higher in the UK than in other European high-income countries.[/quote]
good point

and when other posters complain about the lack of green fields due to houses being built, complain about the NHS waiting list, not doctors appointments, waiting list for local schools, bad state of roads, think on

@MrsLargeEmbodied - where do you think the immigrants should go to? Shouldn’t the U.K. take their share particularly as so many will have the rights to remain in the U.K.?

@MrsLargeEmbodied I wonder if you’re one of those people who sees asylum seekers/refugees as an unskilled, uneducated mass? That isn’t the case. Plenty of people seeking asylum have come from skilled jobs and have a good education. (My own family member who sought asylum in the UK was a university professor, who had to flee for his life after the new regime started arresting, kidnapping and torturing university professors.)

I’ve worked with refugees who were doctors, nurses, bankers, teachers, architects, engineers. And all of them can do those jobs in the UK after learning English and transferring qualifications if needed. Of course there are still asylum seekers who have low education levels, often due to their countries being at war for so long (including with the UK and US) but I’m sure you feel no responsibility to help people whose lives were affected by a conflict that the UK was part of.

Do you think the UK doesn’t need more doctors, nurses or teachers, skilled workers or unskilled-but-vital labour?

@BewareTheLibrarians are you seriously trying to imply that the people coming over in boats are doctors,nurses and engineers ???