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DD denied holiday leave/pay

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Inastatus · 08/04/2022 08:36

DD is 17 and has a part-time job at Premier Inn. When she first took the job in October she told the guy who interviewed her that she had 2 weeks holiday day booked for Easter (postponed for the last 2 years). He said that was fine. DD put in a holiday form 3 weeks ago and now her boss has come back and said because she hasn’t given 4 weeks notice, her holiday is not approved, she won’t receive any holiday pay and she will be marked as absent which will be recorded on any future reference.

This doesn’t seem right to me. I know DD hasn’t given the right notice for the full 2 weeks holiday but surely she should be entitled to some holiday pay? Any advice please?

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JackieCollinshasnoauthority · 08/04/2022 08:48

Is the boss the same person who interviewed her? She needs to remind them that she gave she gave notice in October at interview and this was agreed.

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Inastatus · 08/04/2022 08:49

@JackieCollinshasnoauthority - no it’s not the same person.

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FTEngineerM · 08/04/2022 08:50

Why did she only put a holiday form in now if it was booked she’s ago?

It should have been immediately after starting.

Get everything on an email in future, he could have forgotten and now everyone’s in the shit because she left it until last minute.

They both need to improve moving forward

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BarbaraofSeville · 08/04/2022 08:53

Her mistake was not getting formal approval sooner than 3 weeks in advance, for a popular time of year.

Surely she must have taken other holiday between October and now, and used the holiday form system? She should have done that for her Easter holiday as soon as she started so it was recorded and they would know she was off for staffing etc.

She needs to explain that it was a mistake on her part and ask to take the leave because if she won't be there anyway it still affects their staffing and if she takes the leave as unpaid, she'll still have 2 weeks to take at another time, eg summer when they're still stretched.

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Inastatus · 08/04/2022 08:56

@FTEngineerM - it’s her first job, she didn’t realise at the time she had to put in a form and thought it was enough to tell them at interview. She has still given them 3 weeks notice and only works 8 hours a week. I’m sure she has learned from her error!

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Inastatus · 08/04/2022 08:57

@BarbaraofSeville - she hasn’t taken any holiday yet.

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LoudingVoice · 08/04/2022 08:59

Annoying for her but she should’ve put in the formal holiday request earlier, if she knew when she started she should’ve done it then.

If they need 4 weeks notice for holidays is that stated in her contract or work handbook?

Patchbatch · 08/04/2022 09:00

Oh no, I think although she should have put the form in, if she said at interview they should have explained that it needed to still be booked following usual procedure. At that age and in my first job I would have assumed it was squared away as well if I'd mentioned it and they said fine. There's tonnes of jobs in this sector though, not that she should have to but at least should be able to find something else.

Candleabra · 08/04/2022 09:01

A lesson learned.
Should have booked the leave as soon as she started.
Hopefully it can be resolved now.

BarbaraofSeville · 08/04/2022 09:04

In that case she needs a conversation about using her leave up, because she will have a holiday entitlement that is likely to be on a 'use it or lose it' basis, although I'm not sure how it will work with bank holidays when she's very part time.

But if she's working 8 hours a week, she should only need to attend for 46.5 weeks a year to receive 8 hours of pay for all 52 weeks a year.

Comefromaway · 08/04/2022 09:11

She should have put a holiday form in but equally they should have told her how to book holiday. Is she sure it isn't in a staff handbook/terms & conditions she was given at the start?

She absolutely is entitled to holiday pay she has accrued. Does she know if the holiday year runs Jan-Jan or April-April. If the latter then she needs to find out what has happened to last year's holiday entitlement.

AskingforaBaskin · 08/04/2022 09:13

Does she actually need the job?
I would teach her about standing strong and knowing her worth.

She informed them. They want to pull this? Tell her to hand in her notice. She is a part time teenager she won't need this reference.

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Inastatus · 08/04/2022 09:20

@AskingforaBaskin - yes, I think she is going to hand in her notice. I will help her draft an email to her boss in the hope that she can salvage something.

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PatientlyWaiting21 · 08/04/2022 09:24

If they don’t have cover for 8 hours a week they have much bigger problems. She gave them plenty notice, if she was to submit a formal request they should of told her.
I’d personally leave and not be taking advantage of!

BeforeGodAndAllTheFish · 08/04/2022 09:25

They're taking advantage of her because she is young. She told them at the interview. That is usually enough; it would be marked down when you start. It's good practice to still put in the request right away, but if it is agreed in the interview then that's it. That was a condition of her taking the job.

So yeah, drat an email and send it to her current boss as well as the boss who interviewed her making it clear that she is leaving because they reneged on their agreement as she made her pre-booked holidays clear at interview so now to be threatened with this going on her record at the company is totally unacceptable.

Lavenderlid · 08/04/2022 09:26

If it's a decent job I wouldn't Chuck it over this. She is still getting to go. If she can easily pick up something else, fair enough, but otherwise I wouldn't do it just because I was annoyed.

BorsetshireBanality · 08/04/2022 09:30

My teenage DC similarly works part time for a big chain and they’ve pulled similar stunts.

Told needed to give notice for time off, did by email and WhatsApp but messages are not apparently read. Then told needs to fill out a form with x weeks notice - does this gets taken off duties that get tips. First day on holiday gets messages complaining why not in for shift and why is suddenly demanded online training not done?

Wants to quit - we are saying - do it by letter - but of course teens don’t see the point of writing letters. I’m convinced they are such penny pinching bastards if gaven notice by message/email they would claim her wages back or something.

Also managers keep changing, old ones gone one week and new people appear and what ever “policy” last managers said is forgotten.

It is such a big organisation. DC says they would hate to work full-time for them.

Tickledtrout · 08/04/2022 09:30

@BeforeGodAndAllTheFish

They're taking advantage of her because she is young. She told them at the interview. That is usually enough; it would be marked down when you start. It's good practice to still put in the request right away, but if it is agreed in the interview then that's it. That was a condition of her taking the job.

So yeah, drat an email and send it to her current boss as well as the boss who interviewed her making it clear that she is leaving because they reneged on their agreement as she made her pre-booked holidays clear at interview so now to be threatened with this going on her record at the company is totally unacceptable.

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Rosehugger · 08/04/2022 09:42

If she put in the request three weeks ago and the holiday is at Easter (17th April) then surely that does meet their timing requirements.

SleepingStandingUp · 08/04/2022 09:43

It's unfortunate but she's learnt it young and I a job that doesn't matter so I'd tell her not to worry and hand in her notice.

The other option is to put in a holiday request for the second week which is surely four weeks away

Comefromaway · 08/04/2022 09:46

@Rosehugger

If she put in the request three weeks ago and the holiday is at Easter (17th April) then surely that does meet their timing requirements.
I'm assuming OP means the school/college Easter holidays which depending on your area either started last Friday or today.
Rosehugger · 08/04/2022 09:47

Yep, what @Tickledtrout and @BeforeGodAndAllTheFish said. I'd be helping her write that email.

Plus, for a part time job in hospitality at age 17 it really isn't worth taking any shit. There are loads of jobs in that field, it's an employee's market at the moment. DD1 (16) is doing a-levels and works part time for a major restaurant chain and they have very good pay and conditions, but if ever they pissed her about they would be losing a very good and reliable employee and it's their loss.

girlmom21 · 08/04/2022 09:50

She needs to say it was agreed at interview.

ClaudiaWankleman · 08/04/2022 09:55

for a part time job in hospitality at age 17 it really isn't worth taking any shit. There are loads of jobs in that field, it's an employee's market at the moment.

This is exactly what I was thinking. Treat your employees inadequately; suffer the consequences.

girlmom21 · 08/04/2022 09:56

@ClaudiaWankleman

for a part time job in hospitality at age 17 it really isn't worth taking any shit. There are loads of jobs in that field, it's an employee's market at the moment.

This is exactly what I was thinking. Treat your employees inadequately; suffer the consequences.

They haven't treated her inadequately if her manager doesn't know it was pre-agreed at interview.
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