DD denied holiday leave/pay

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DD is 17 and has a part-time job at Premier Inn. When she first took the job in October she told the guy who interviewed her that she had 2 weeks holiday day booked for Easter (postponed for the last 2 years). He said that was fine. DD put in a holiday form 3 weeks ago and now her boss has come back and said because she hasn’t given 4 weeks notice, her holiday is not approved, she won’t receive any holiday pay and she will be marked as absent which will be recorded on any future reference.

This doesn’t seem right to me. I know DD hasn’t given the right notice for the full 2 weeks holiday but surely she should be entitled to some holiday pay? Any advice please?

@Rosehugger - I meant school Easter holidays. She breaks up today for 2 weeks and we go on hols tomorrow.

The other option is to put in a holiday request for the second week which is surely four weeks away

That's a good idea. She might want to also ask her colleagues if anyone wants to step in and cover her hours, so they aren't short staffed.

But she should still have a conversation about using up her leave entitlement if she's been there 6 months and not used any yet. Otherwise she's throwing it away.

Also they won’t be allowed to put that on her reference they are trying to bully her

@TellMeItIsntTrue - thanks. I feel it is a bit bullying and threatening too.

Thanks all. We are going to draft an email between us about the holiday situ and then DD has decided she is going to hand her notice in after holiday and look for something else as she is particularly happy there.

She should have filled the holiday form as soon as she started either way. Why leave it so late

@Cas112

She should have filled the holiday form as soon as she started either way. Why leave it so late

Because a 17 year old in her 1st job wont necessarily have known that.

Three weeks to respond to a holiday request, regardless of circumstance or impact, is very poor.

Lenny Henry doesn't voice over that in their adverts.

@BeforeGodAndAllTheFish

They're taking advantage of her because she is young. She told them at the interview. That is usually enough; it would be marked down when you start. It's good practice to still put in the request right away, but if it is agreed in the interview then that's it. That was a condition of her taking the job.

So yeah, drat an email and send it to her current boss as well as the boss who interviewed her making it clear that she is leaving because they reneged on their agreement as she made her pre-booked holidays clear at interview so now to be threatened with this going on her record at the company is totally unacceptable.

Think this is very unfair of you. Daughter has worked there 6 months and 'forgot' to put in the request when she started in October. Its also over Easter which is one of the busiest times of the year for hotels. She won't have been refused the request because she didn't give 4 weeks notice, it will be because they can't afford to let her be off for 2 whole weeks. If the daughter is old enough to work then she should not be having her mother emailing on her behalf.

@FitAt50

Have you actually read the OP?

When you interview for a job, it goes both ways. Especially in the current climate where jobs in hospitality are everywhere and quite easy to get. There are vacancies and companies are struggling. If they want to keep employees, they need to stick to what is agreed at interview.

Interviews go both ways. She gave them her dates. They says yes, you've got the job and we've noted your dates and that's fine. Now they're saying no.

She'll have another job in a week or 2. She doesnt need to stay there. They promise something at interview and then take it away. I'd be done with them.

[quote BeforeGodAndAllTheFish]@FitAt50

Have you actually read the OP?

When you interview for a job, it goes both ways. Especially in the current climate where jobs in hospitality are everywhere and quite easy to get. There are vacancies and companies are struggling. If they want to keep employees, they need to stick to what is agreed at interview.

Interviews go both ways. She gave them her dates. They says yes, you've got the job and we've noted your dates and that's fine. Now they're saying no.

She'll have another job in a week or 2. She doesnt need to stay there. They promise something at interview and then take it away. I'd be done with them.[/quote]
@BeforeGodAndAllTheFish - Yes I read the OP and understand that the daughter was interview 6 months ago by a totally different person. Its customery at all interviews to ask if people have any leave booked in case its in the next few weeks etc. The young girl should have then applied for the leave when she started and point out that she had told them about it in the interview.

@FitAt50 - have you forgotten what it’s like to be 16/17? You might know that ‘it’s customary to ask about leave at interview’ and that she should have applied formally then but my DD did not and was not told to do so at that time - she didn’t forget to do it then she just did not know she had to. It’s her first job, there was a lot to learn and she was busy. I am not going to email on her behalf, she is very capable and independent but yes, I will help her draft the email because she isn’t sure how to word it (obviously you think she should know exactly what to put). She has tried talking to her boss already and got threatened with being given a bad reference.

It’s definitely a heavy handed response from her boss, like a PP said it also doesn’t make sense that she can take the time unpaid (and therefore keep her annual leave to use another time so she’s off now AND LATER).

Don’t email for her, let her do it if she wants. Depends how much she wants/needs the job, there’ll be others.

Oops just read your latest post. Ignore irrelevant bits 😂

@balalake

Three weeks to respond to a holiday request, regardless of circumstance or impact, is very poor.

Lenny Henry doesn't voice over that in their adverts.

@balalake 😅

Oh its an 8 hour contract, she's 16 she doesn't need their bloody reference!

They should have provided the form then and there when she started, after having told them about it and said 'not a problem, please fill out this holiday form and hand it back to your manager.' How was she supposed to know the procedure? It's her first job ffs.

My manager would have shown me the ropes with things like this if this were my first job. Yes ok, she should have done it immediately but they should have instructed her to. It isn't all on her.

Tell her just to walk. She isn't likely to get that holiday pay back now as its a new financial year, that horse has bolted. Just send a polite email terminating her contract and stating that she will be using any accrued annual leave in lieu of notice, her last day will be X, thank you for the opportunities. Yours sincerely XYZ

They haven't treated her inadequately if her manager doesn't know it was pre-agreed at interview

I disagree @girlmom21

Moreover, they're threatening a bad reference. That is inadequate management. It's like they're predicting she'll resign.