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Your thoughts on smart meters - feel I'm being forced into having them.

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CrunchyCarrot · 07/04/2022 10:29

So last Sept we got switched to Octopus energy as our old supplier went bust. The previous supplier (Avro) tried to sell us the idea of smart meters but we refused - had heard about not being able to switch suppliers and were concerned about potential for hacking of the devices and some horror stories. So a few days ago I submitted a meter reading due to prices about to rise, and today I got an email saying we need our meters replacing, as 'they are approaching the end of their operational life' and 'Gas and electricity meters should be replaced periodically, generally every 15 - 20 years, to ensure absolute accuracy and safety.' That's the first I've heard of it!

After reading around on another forum I discoverd one's meter will show when it was last 'certified' (i.e. seems to mean was declared fit to give accurate readings). Ours don't have sticky labels, in fact they are so old they have attached paper tags - so I blew off the dust (!) and discovered the electric meter's was dated 1989! Couldn't read the gas one as the label was partly destroyed but the date began with 19--. So clearly these are pretty old. Yet no-one has mentioned having them 're-certified' or replaced till just after the price rise?

I visited Octopus's smart meter FAQ: 'Do you have to replace my meter?' 'Yes, we’re required to do so under governmental regulation. It is our duty to ensure customers have continuity of safe energy supply that is accurately recorded.'

Honestly I feel this is being pushed very hard at us. It's very hard to argue with 'we have to do so under govt regulation' and 'Just so you know, we can't replace your meters like for like as traditional meters are becoming increasingly difficult to get hold of.' However I fully intend to hold out for the time being. I expect to be forced into it eventually, however.

What have others done? Anyone else had this 'your meters aren't certified' email?

OP posts:
Hathertonhariden · 08/04/2022 08:01

We have very poor mobile reception here - how would that impact a smart meter?

BarbaraofSeville · 08/04/2022 08:06

That's what I'm wondering @Hathertonhariden. Our gas meter is outside so might be OK but the electricity meter is in a cupboard under the stairs in the middle of the house, so as cut off as can be from the outside world.

But as I don't need a special meter to tell me that things that heat air or water use the most fuel and to turn things off when they're not being used, I can't see the point of them.

Whatalovelydaffodil · 08/04/2022 08:12

@cakeorwine

That's the point of a meter. You don't need a smartmeter to tell you this

You don't.

But it's a lot easier to look at the linked monitor and see the 'live' view as well as the history compared to manually entering numbers on a spreadsheet and tracking usage.

It may well be. But it's a waste if money and resources to change fully functioning meter for this reason. And it's false marketing to say that with a smart meter you are ",in control" of your usage. You have always been in control of your own usage.
ilovemyelectriccar · 08/04/2022 08:25

We have a smart meter fitted by Octopus.
Point 1. All newly fitted smart meters are 2nd generation so no problem changing suppliers. We've moved suppliers twice since the meter was fitted.
Point 2. No more need to submit meter readings, life is easier.

Point 3. I can see exactly how much energy we are using
Point 4. How much you pay is dependant on your tarif, not whether you have a smart meter
I cannot, for the life of me, comprehend where all this paranoia about smart meters comes from. Get the thing fitted and stop stressing.

Buildingthefuture · 08/04/2022 08:27

We were harangued by our energy supplier to have a smart meter when we moved into our house. They went on and on…I was fine with it, so they sent two blokes round to fit it but we have quite a complicated meter set up. They faffed about for 4 hours, said they couldn’t do it, went away and we’ve never heard from them again! I’m not bothered either way and submit meter readings every month

Wexone · 08/04/2022 08:31

Oh my word - i cant believe this paranoia to a smart meter. Mine was fitted on the 4th Jan - What was a huge box thing is now half the size. Account is updated at midnight and no more estimates ever. To all the people refusing to have it installed, are you the ones who refused to have a computer in your house when they 1st came out in case it listened to you ? :) Do you all have a mobile phone? even a smart mobile phone ??? Smart TV's in your house ?? Alexa etc ?? there are bigger things to be worried about

ilovemyelectriccar · 08/04/2022 08:31

Reading a lot of worry about 'surge pricing'. Sure, some times would be more expensive but some times WOULD BE CHEAPER. We shunt much of our consumption to the off peak hours and it costs us 5p per kWh!!! Now it is going up in May, to 7.5p per kWh.

Chloemol · 08/04/2022 08:34

[quote MyDcAreMarvel]No don’t get a smart meter you will pay more for your energy at peak times.
www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/gas-electricity-bills-energy-rationing-b2012959.html?amp[/quote]
A tub the article says COULD not that it will

If you are on a fixed tariff that’s the price you pay at the moment whatever time you use it

And as others say you pay for what you use, no estimate with a large bill suddenly as you have used more than estimated

Whatalovelydaffodil · 08/04/2022 08:35

@Wexone

Oh my word - i cant believe this paranoia to a smart meter. Mine was fitted on the 4th Jan - What was a huge box thing is now half the size. Account is updated at midnight and no more estimates ever. To all the people refusing to have it installed, are you the ones who refused to have a computer in your house when they 1st came out in case it listened to you ? :) Do you all have a mobile phone? even a smart mobile phone ??? Smart TV's in your house ?? Alexa etc ?? there are bigger things to be worried about
Nobody was worried about computers "listening"to you when they first came out ....
OnceAgainWithFeeling · 08/04/2022 08:52

At the moment I can do two loads of washing, two loads of tumble drying, and a dishwasher. All back to back, all completely free on sunny days as well as getting paid for the solar I'm using!

Free, apart from the thousands of £s outlay and future maintenance/replacement of components.

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 08/04/2022 09:02

I can't see why people don't want one - other than removing your litchen units of course as one poster said - I can see exactly where all the money is going and I make sure it never goes onto red.
I've saved all kinds of money by seeing how much an appliance or a combination of appliances use.
I make sure it never goes onto red.

woodpecker2 · 08/04/2022 09:02

We got one after the smet2 came in, I agree I don’t like the way they have been pushed on us but you can see a lot of detail of your usage and as we have solar panels you can see when you are not drawing off the grid but only running on solar.

Aposterhasnoname · 08/04/2022 09:09

Love my smart meter. It’s my latest obsession, we’ve halved our bills since we got it, and hardly noticed the change. Now I’m on a mission to reduce them further. True, we’re noticing the changes more now. But there’s something remarkably satisfying about seeing the dial staying green where previously it would be red.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 08/04/2022 09:11

@Aposterhasnoname

Love my smart meter. It’s my latest obsession, we’ve halved our bills since we got it, and hardly noticed the change. Now I’m on a mission to reduce them further. True, we’re noticing the changes more now. But there’s something remarkably satisfying about seeing the dial staying green where previously it would be red.
How have you halved your bills?
Whatalovelydaffodil · 08/04/2022 09:14

@Aposterhasnoname

Love my smart meter. It’s my latest obsession, we’ve halved our bills since we got it, and hardly noticed the change. Now I’m on a mission to reduce them further. True, we’re noticing the changes more now. But there’s something remarkably satisfying about seeing the dial staying green where previously it would be red.
But how? This is what I don't get. You know what uses electricity and you know if you have turned it on so I don't know how a smart meter would help.
Aposterhasnoname · 08/04/2022 09:27

[quote MyDcAreMarvel]No don’t get a smart meter you will pay more for your energy at peak times.
www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/gas-electricity-bills-energy-rationing-b2012959.html?amp[/quote]
Pretty naïve if you think that having a normal meter will save you from surge pricing. They’ll just charge people with dumb meters the higher price all the time to force you to get a smart meter.

RJnomore1 · 08/04/2022 09:43

@Aposterhasnoname

Love my smart meter. It’s my latest obsession, we’ve halved our bills since we got it, and hardly noticed the change. Now I’m on a mission to reduce them further. True, we’re noticing the changes more now. But there’s something remarkably satisfying about seeing the dial staying green where previously it would be red.
And this is why I’m not getting one. Couldn’t stand the muttering from dh.
Aposterhasnoname · 08/04/2022 09:44

But how? This is what I don't get. You know what uses electricity and you know if you have turned it on so I don't know how a smart meter would help.

So basic examples. Previously used the dishwasher on a one hour cycle, cos shorter cycle = less electric right? Wrong. The three hour forty five minute cycle uses far less, and I can see that at a glance. Second example, look at meter, see it’s red, go round house and find the electric heaters been left on. Third example, clock cost of running light bulbs, replace with LED, and can’t believe the difference. It’s like a little voice in the background, constantly reminding you what you’re spending, and motivating you to try and reduce it. I realise some people have no choice but to do that anyway, but if you’ve always been a bit lax, as we have, its a real eye opener.

BarbaraofSeville · 08/04/2022 09:54

@Aposterhasnoname

But how? This is what I don't get. You know what uses electricity and you know if you have turned it on so I don't know how a smart meter would help.

So basic examples. Previously used the dishwasher on a one hour cycle, cos shorter cycle = less electric right? Wrong. The three hour forty five minute cycle uses far less, and I can see that at a glance. Second example, look at meter, see it’s red, go round house and find the electric heaters been left on. Third example, clock cost of running light bulbs, replace with LED, and can’t believe the difference. It’s like a little voice in the background, constantly reminding you what you’re spending, and motivating you to try and reduce it. I realise some people have no choice but to do that anyway, but if you’ve always been a bit lax, as we have, its a real eye opener.

You don't need a smart meter to tell you any of that (OK maybe the lightbulbs to LED switch because they didn't exist) when you grew up with 1970/80s parents providing that little voice in the background fretting about accidentally leaving the immersion heater on or commenting 'it's like Blackpool Illuminations in here' if they walk into a room and find it lit and unoccupied.

Plus, does no-one care about the environment or read instruction books? It's in the instructions for the dishwasher which cycle uses what amount of electricity and water and it's fairly obvious that you don't leave heaters on when you don't need them (or you put a jumper on not the heating if you feel cold).

Aposterhasnoname · 08/04/2022 10:24

How have you halved your bills?

We were very, very lax. Lucky enough to never have to worry about these things so went for convenience over saving money. Was quite horrified to see the cost, in real time, of using the tumble dryer, or long showers, or putting on an electric heater rather than a jumper, leaving everything on standby etc.

Svara · 08/04/2022 10:29

@Aposterhasnoname

How have you halved your bills?

We were very, very lax. Lucky enough to never have to worry about these things so went for convenience over saving money. Was quite horrified to see the cost, in real time, of using the tumble dryer, or long showers, or putting on an electric heater rather than a jumper, leaving everything on standby etc.

None of that would apply to me or many others. Never owned a tumble dryer or put heating on before a jumper, socks and slippers. Simply out of necessity, knew it costs too much before smart meters. Hot water tank so heated before we get up so I don't think a smart meter can tell me anything there? Except maybe if it takes less to heat if still warm from day before?
TonTonMacoute · 08/04/2022 12:25

The smart meter tells stupid people stuff they should have learned at school. People are surprised that the longer 'Eco' settings on washing machines and dishwashers are more energy efficient!? What on earth did you think it meant?

If it gets hot, it will cost you more is a good rule of thumb.

Just wait until they have to start rationing electricity - smart meters won't be so smart then!

nordica · 08/04/2022 12:33

The only reason I haven't agreed to getting one is all those stories about them causing fires and being incorrectly installed - I suppose that is less of a concern now the companies and contractors know what they are doing?

My current ones are also located in the cupboard under the stairs and like another poster mentioned, I wonder about the connection? My house has terrible mobile reception as it is because of the location in a valley, so this could be an problem here.

dementedpixie · 08/04/2022 12:40

Think of all the wasted meters they are ripping out. Not very eco friendly when the vast majority still work perfectly well

mydogisthebest · 08/04/2022 12:54

I am not having one. Eon keep pestering, sending emails and letters but I have been ignoring them for about 2 years and will continue to do so.

I don't want one and I certainly don't need one.

I can't understand how posters say they have saved them so much money. I know which appliances I have which use electric and I don't use any of them unless I need to nor do I use longer programmes on my washing machine than I need. I have always only used my tumble dryer if I really need to

I send meter readings to Eon monthly so I don't get estimated bills either.

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