Page 20 | “Getting ANY adult dog breed is strongly NOT recommended”

tallulahtoo78 · 2022-03-22T09:51:41+00:00

From a dog expert interview on LBC discussing the utterly awful, tragic death of the 17 month old little girl.

kc431 · 23/03/2022 17:20

I think people who dislike dogs are weirdos frankly

I think it's really sad when people can't understand and make nasty comments about anyone who thinks differently to them. I'm allergic to dogs and because of the association with being ill, have always avoided them, but thanks for making a judgement on me from your screen!

MiniTheMinx · 23/03/2022 17:25

@kc431

I think people who dislike dogs are weirdos frankly

I think it's really sad when people can't understand and make nasty comments about anyone who thinks differently to them. I'm allergic to dogs and because of the association with being ill, have always avoided them, but thanks for making a judgement on me from your screen!

I'm allergic cat hair, I don't dislike cats, its not as though they can help having hair is it. So, are you avoiding them or disliking them? I said dislike, not allergic to them.

HotnSunnyRainbowRoses · 23/03/2022 17:27

With all due respect you don’t actually know my dog, or if she’s happy or not. You’re making a huge statement based on a photo
I am pointing out common body language cues that tend to indicate a dog is feeling stressed.

If your dog had been showing relaxed body posture in the photo, smiling face etc i’d have been the first to comment how cute it was.

Gosh, I myself have a huge collection of photos of my dogs with my kids, I’m not against dogs and kids per se.

I’m just saying really that body language is complex and many, many minor signs of discomfort, like yawns, lip licks, whale eyes etc etc are often missed by owners who don’t know what they should be looking for.
They think the dog is happy when it’s not.
To me, your dog looks pretty darn uncomfortable.
If she’s like that all the time then I’d hazard a guess that she’s actually a pretty anxious little girl.

Like I said, I’ve asked my behaviourist friend for advice. She’s qualified with this kind of thing
Good, I hope you do, I hope she’s good and if your dog is feeling anxious I hope she can help you make her feel better

ninnynonny · 23/03/2022 17:28

It was an American Bully, that the dad bought from his 'mate' hoping to breed from it, it seems.

DogsAndGin · 23/03/2022 17:29

@NashvilleQueen

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Well this is depressing. People on this list are owning illegal dogs, which inevitably kills someone, and are receiving community service or a few months in prison?! And a 5 year ownership ban?!

The owners of illegal dogs, which kill someone, should be charged with manslaughter and receive 15+ years prison time plus lifetime animal ban.

FoxyFoxyLoxy · 23/03/2022 17:30

@ninnynonny

It was an American Bully, that the dad bought from his 'mate' hoping to breed from it, it seems.

Of course it was. Why am I in no way surprised by any of those facts.

HotnSunnyRainbowRoses · 23/03/2022 17:31

I would have thought that Catswhiskers13 would know if her own dog was relaxed and how it usually looks better than anyone here
People often really, really don’t!
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve overheard owners trying to get their dog to interact with a stranger or another dog cooing how he loves a fuss and is so friendly when the dogs body language is screaming leave me alone!

Anyway, I’m not going to respond more on that particular point.
I see signs in the photo that suggest to me the dog is uncomfortable but that poster is quite correct, I don’t know her dog personally so there isn’t much point in me commenting further.
I’ve said my piece

HotnSunnyRainbowRoses · 23/03/2022 17:33

It was an American Bully, that the dad bought from his 'mate' hoping to breed from it, it seems
I hope that’s not true.

Pennox · 23/03/2022 17:36

I cant stand dogs for 3 reasons. 1. I was chased and my friend mauled by a pack of wild dogs in the middle east where i lived as a child. 2. I find them unhygienic, I dont like the way they slobber and make people's houses smell (small dogs are possibmy an exception to this). 3. There are so many idiots outs there, as evidenced in this thread, that care more about dogs than humans or think ugly inbred dogs that are capable of killing humans are an impressive status symbol and are prepared to buy dangerous or disturbed dogs and then not train or supervise them properly.

I appreciate there are lots of nice dogs out there and reasonable dog owners, but they are drowned out by the idiots unfortunately.

PaddlingLikeADuck · 23/03/2022 17:42

This whole thing is so tragic.

My friend has got an 8 month baby and she is always posting photos on social media of the baby and the family dog lying side by side on the sofa, and she was doing this when the baby was newborn too.

It makes me so, so anxious.

I genuinely cannot understand how parents are happy to take such risks with their babies.

ninnynonny · 23/03/2022 17:45

@HotnSunnyRainbowRoses

It was an American Bully, that the dad bought from his 'mate' hoping to breed from it, it seems I hope that’s not true.

Unfortunately it's been widely reported

HotnSunnyRainbowRoses · 23/03/2022 17:47

It is true it seems re the dad buying the American Bully off a friend to stud out.
It’s being reported in the media (just googled it)

Dear god.
What on earth is wrong with people?!

Chillingly similar to Jack Lis, killed by the same —pit bull— breed of dog that was also intended to stud.

I just don’t get people.
I hope the parents are done for manslaughter frankly.

HotnSunnyRainbowRoses · 23/03/2022 17:47

Unfortunately it's been widely reported
Yes, I’ve just googled it

Nobodycarestakeitelsewhere · 23/03/2022 17:50

Oh it was an American bully. As if we couldn't have predicted that. For fucks sake. Ban the damn things.

kc431 · 23/03/2022 17:52

I avoid them and also dislike them. I’m allergic to a lot of animals and the saliva/dander is the problem. Cats are fine as they do their own thing and don’t bother you. When I go to a dog owner’s house, the dog always jumps on me, rips my tights and licks me, which I find gross but also it gives me a rash. I’m also super wary of them bounding at me in parks, and can’t stand the yappy barking when I’m trying to relax at a brunch or in my garden.

Lansonmaid · 23/03/2022 17:54

@implantreplace

* We don't let the big Romanian rescue off the lead in public, at 5.5 stone he could do a lot of damage to a small dog/ toddler just by bowling them over. And he does have specific triggers (people in coveralls , people wearing anoraks with fur round the hood) which makes him bark a lot. Just more responsible to keep him on lead we think*

No “we think” about it.
What you’ve described should be on a lead 100% of the time when in public or even a chance of encountering someone ie in middle of nowhere on a walk

You obviously took exception to the word think, but if you read the post you would notice that our big dog is always on lead when he's not in our paddocks. He play bows to small dogs but if he started romping with them he could inadvertently hurt them.

HotnSunnyRainbowRoses · 23/03/2022 17:54

Oh it was an American bully. As if we couldn't have predicted that. For fucks sake. Ban the damn things
They are supposed to be already, the breed is a cross between the American pit bull and the American Stafford.
It’s a bloody pit bull just a different name!
I don’t really agree with banning breeds tbh, I think the emphasis should be on harsh punishment for owners and education but the law in the UK is ridiculous.
A dog that could be a staff x lab and fits the measurements can be seized but am American Bully which is a literal cross of a pit bull and a dog which is also pretty much a pit bull is legal?
WTAF

Agrudge · 23/03/2022 17:55

@Nobodycarestakeitelsewhere

Oh it was an American bully. As if we couldn't have predicted that. For fucks sake. Ban the damn things.

Lol .

It's not the dog

ineedafairygodmother · 23/03/2022 18:02

BeautifulGreenEyes
Absolute load of ROT that ANY type of adult dog should not be near babies and small children. It's only certain types of dogs... Like it's only CERTAIN TYPES of people, who have these certain types of dogs.

Let's not sugar coat this. We're all grown-ups here. We know the score. We know what type of dog it was and we know what type of people owned it.

I hope they go to prison for a LONG TIME for the death of this poor, unfortunate baby. 

So I have an American bulldog, as she's one of 'those breeds' does that mean I'm one of those certain types of owner? I also have a baby, does that mean I should get rid of my dog?

Catswhiskers13 · 23/03/2022 18:06

@HotnSunnyRainbowRoses
I sent three photos of that particular interaction to my behaviourist friend. She said she looks slightly tense in the ears in that particular photo but that you can’t really tell from a photo. She doesn’t think she looked anxious generally speaking. She’s a qualified professional who actually knows my dog so i’ll take her advice over randoms.

HotnSunnyRainbowRoses · 23/03/2022 18:11

She’s a qualified professional who actually knows my dog so i’ll take her advice over randoms
Ooh touchy!
I don’t think I phrased any of what I said to you rudely, and I agreed with you that yes I don’t know your dog personally.

As I said, that photo to me looks like an uncomfortable dog.
Frankly, if your ‘behaviourist’ friend also said she looked tense in that particular photo then I wasn’t actually that far off.

At the end of the day, most people aren’t all that good at reading their dogs.
Other posters also commented that they thought the dog looked uncomfortable.

There’s no need to get so sensitive.

Agrudge · 23/03/2022 18:19

@HotnSunnyRainbowRoses

Oh it was an American bully. As if we couldn't have predicted that. For fucks sake. Ban the damn things They are supposed to be already, the breed is a cross between the American pit bull and the American Stafford. It’s a bloody pit bull just a different name! I don’t really agree with banning breeds tbh, I think the emphasis should be on harsh punishment for owners and education but the law in the UK is ridiculous. A dog that could be a staff x lab and fits the measurements can be seized but am American Bully which is a literal cross of a pit bull and a dog which is also pretty much a pit bull is legal? WTAF

I think you've just summed up why the DDA isnt fit for purpose.

Deed not breed should be the way forward

MrsBerthaRochester · 23/03/2022 18:21

The parents will plead ignorance about knowing breed/danger of dog and will have another baby in a few months. I like dogs, had one for 17 years but Im not doolalley over them like many mn posters. These breeds need to be eliminated.

BoodleBug51 · 23/03/2022 18:24

Both parents should be charged with manslaughter if that's the case about the dog being an American Bully. And according to the DM the mother is crowd funding for the funeral.

Words fucking escape me. That poor poor baby

HotnSunnyRainbowRoses · 23/03/2022 18:25

I think you've just summed up why the DDA isnt fit for purpose
Well yes, it isn’t.
If BSL bans pit bulls then says a dog which is a literal blend of pit bull and a dog which is basically a pit bull just different measurements.
It’s just absolutely batshit.
If you are going to do the law do it properly.