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What Is Up With My Friend?

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Soffit · 07/03/2022 16:14

I have been friends with her since we were teenagers. We were definitely best friends but as the years went by, we became increasingly distant. She has always been kind and a good listener but has the typical upper middle class 'English reserve' so not much spontaneous emotion on show.
She started dating much earlier than I did. Even when she chose to lose her virginity, it was clearly more about completing a rite of passage rather than emotionally engaging. She went through breakups without expressing any emotions even though she never instigated these. She always stated that she hoped for a serious relationship but she has not changed her approach towards them. Arranging dates is always done as though it is an administrative procedure. This has become worse since she immersed herself into OLD.
She works in different cities around the world. Typically, she will go onto dating apps just before relocating and set up dates and she is usually intimate with a new person within a week of moving. However, as I said, there is no sign of excitement or unbridled passion. It is all about filling in a timetable efficiently and establishing (in a consistently rigid ratio) her work-entertainment-chores-friends-dating balance.
She always obliges wrt consummating the relationships even when she feels it is hopeless and is also emotionless in the way in which she relays this.
Once she allowed a guy back simply because he stated that he had parked near her flat as they left the restaurant because he had paid for the meal and she thought it was fair to award him a shag for it even though there was no spark or prospect of another date. She will oblige every time in a dutiful drab way like old married couples. Her ratio of time allocated to the relationship doesn't change through time either. The guys invariably dump her and she is nonplussed in her reaction and immediately gets back on the apps in robotic fashion. Consequently, her 'number' is now huge even though she is a well-spoken, cultured, demure sort.
She still maintains that she would like a serious relationship but everything in her approach and demeanour seems wrong (unless this is normal and I have misunderstood her. It bothers me to such an extent that I now question whether she is even emotionally engaged as a friend or simply going through the correct motions. What could it be?

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labyrinthlaziness · 07/03/2022 17:49

@Soffit Your posts are very strange - you do not seem to be registering that the way you are posting is very peculiar?

Soffit · 07/03/2022 17:50

@bluepeacock

She sounds a bit emotionless I agree but everyone is different? It sounds like you are psycho-analysing her because you don't understand why she does things the way she does - but maybe she's perfectly happy? I understand, I'm guilty of doing this myself (psychoanalysing people!) but I wouldn't voice my personal opinions unless someone asked.

I'm not sure there's anything "wrong" with her - maybe it's just her personality, some people are kind of robotic and methodical and like everything to be super-organised. It's not for you to fix her though, she may not feel she needs "fixing"!

I do relate to this and I am guilty of it. I have never discussed it before with anyone other than her which does not achieve anything. I know she would never come on here and it was just one of those days when I felt frustrated about her repeating the same pattern yet again.
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Soffit · 07/03/2022 17:51

[quote labyrinthlaziness]@Soffit Your posts are very strange - you do not seem to be registering that the way you are posting is very peculiar?[/quote]
I am probably a bit of a weirdo, I accept that!

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ChiefWiggumsBoy · 07/03/2022 17:51

The thing with men is that if they want a relationship with you, they'll have a relationship with you whether you shag the first time you meet or the 21st. So I disagree with your assessment about how she's not going to find someone.

I also think you're very judgemental and you should be clear to her about this as I don't think she'd share so much if she knew you thought like this.

Soffit · 07/03/2022 17:52

That is part of the reason why I asked! That said, I don't know anybody else who approaches dating in the same way so it may be that we both have unusual perspectives!

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devildeepbluesea · 07/03/2022 17:58

I’m slightly amazed at the responses here. I think OP writes sensitively but pragmatically about a friend she clearly cares about. So she may be saying negative things about her friend - but it seems clear the friend kind of agrees with this assessment.

OP I’ve nothing to offer in terms of why she’s like this, except maybe that I’m divorced but I have a DD. I have no interest in finding a new partner either and subscribe to that view that it would be nice but I’m not going to go out of my way to fine it. I agree that your friend seems to view men / sex as a chore, something transactional. But then again, if it works for her I don’t se ethe harm. If it doesn’t work for her - well perhaps she needs counselling to work through it.

Soffit · 07/03/2022 18:01

I've extremely limited experience of dating myself. My beliefs mean that it would never happen to me.
I just thought that now that she's heading into triple figures that it may be impossible for her to really engage with another person with the necessary optimism and faith. It sounds like a drab, assembly line spread across much of the globe.
I don't think it is outing but she was based for a while in a certain south east asian country where it is practically unheard of for the men to seriously consider a typical British girl for a serious relationship. The women are absolutely tiny and slight across the board. Some do settle down with Western men but you never see it the other way round without exception.

I told my friend that the guys responding to her on apps were simply looking for a short term fling (which was strongly proven true in time). However, she seriously took offence at my generalizations and ended up being lied to and treated badly by a few of them.

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devildeepbluesea · 07/03/2022 18:03

Your update makes it clearer that it absolutely isn’t working for her - in which case she should probably get help to unpick this.

Triple figures is no barrier to a relationship btw. The number of notches on your bedpost isn’t visible to all…

Soffit · 07/03/2022 18:05

@devildeepbluesea

I’m slightly amazed at the responses here. I think OP writes sensitively but pragmatically about a friend she clearly cares about. So she may be saying negative things about her friend - but it seems clear the friend kind of agrees with this assessment.

OP I’ve nothing to offer in terms of why she’s like this, except maybe that I’m divorced but I have a DD. I have no interest in finding a new partner either and subscribe to that view that it would be nice but I’m not going to go out of my way to fine it. I agree that your friend seems to view men / sex as a chore, something transactional. But then again, if it works for her I don’t se ethe harm. If it doesn’t work for her - well perhaps she needs counselling to work through it.

Thanks, I am not good at sensitively conveying the facts because my concerns have been accumulating over half a lifetime. I don't know whether many others date in this way but find serious relationships relatively early on. I would like to see her in something that lasts longer than a month. I feel that it might help her nurture the emotional side of the relationship. I know that she has used recreational drugs occasionally for periods of time. Since I have no experience of this myself, I don't know whether there are certain ones which can cause high libido with total emotional detachment even beyond the period of usage?
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Soffit · 07/03/2022 18:10

Also, there was a situation in her early twenties where she consented to sleeping with a guy but never consented to doing it again some minutes later. At the time, she believed that she was raped. She tried to report it but it was not taken seriously (though it may have been today). I suggested that she should seek proper therapy to deal with it as it may be a deep seated trauma.
However, I clearly remember her already behaving the same before it happened as afterwards so it's hard to be sure.

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Eightiesfan · 07/03/2022 18:12

Sounds like the green eyed monster is masquerading as a concerned friend.

beastlyslumber · 07/03/2022 18:13

It's not really your problem though, is it? I mean, you could suggest a dating coach or a therapist, but if she doesn't want to do that, then you have to let it go. You could tell her that you don't want to discuss her dating experiences as it makes you uncomfortable. But other than that, there's literally nothing you can do, and it's none of your business.

You sound kind of robotic yourself. I wonder if you dislike aspects of her personality because you see yourself in them. Or fear that you are more like her than you care to think.

It also sounds like you are looking for a way out of the friendship. You don't need an excuse or justification to end a relationship - if you don't want to be friends anymore, then don't. Psychoanalysing her (I presume you're not actually a psychoanalyst) and posting the details of her private life on social media are not really the actions of a good friend.

Soffit · 07/03/2022 18:16

I am not a psychologist, only a friend who wants to make sure my oldest friend will be okay once we grown even further apart (the more years she lives abroad, the more I think that the friendship is not worth maintaining). I don't think she plans to ever return to live in the UK. She wanted me to visit her when she lived in various countries but I was not ready to have to witness her lifestyle full time, let alone explain it to my DCs. On the other end, it could have rapidly accelerated the end of an unproductive friendship. Other than her relationship dramas, I don't think we have much to share anymore. It does not serve my higher purpose, for sure.

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Soffit · 07/03/2022 18:19

@beastlyslumber

It's not really your problem though, is it? I mean, you could suggest a dating coach or a therapist, but if she doesn't want to do that, then you have to let it go. You could tell her that you don't want to discuss her dating experiences as it makes you uncomfortable. But other than that, there's literally nothing you can do, and it's none of your business.

You sound kind of robotic yourself. I wonder if you dislike aspects of her personality because you see yourself in them. Or fear that you are more like her than you care to think.

It also sounds like you are looking for a way out of the friendship. You don't need an excuse or justification to end a relationship - if you don't want to be friends anymore, then don't. Psychoanalysing her (I presume you're not actually a psychoanalyst) and posting the details of her private life on social media are not really the actions of a good friend.

Dating coaches - I have not heard of them. i will consider suggesting it.

I am more regimented than robotic myself tbh. I maintain very strict clean living, yoga, meditation, related practices which I would never compromise. Perhaps it does explain how we ended up as friends for so long. That's interesting!

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RampantIvy · 07/03/2022 18:20

Is she happy? Does she enjoy her dating scene?

Soffit · 07/03/2022 18:26

@RampantIvy

Is she happy? Does she enjoy her dating scene?
She seems grateful to be able to go on these dates almost as though it is an indication that she is still visible to men in a sexual way. She does not make an effort as other people going on a date would. She has never removed body hair in her life. She doesn't dress up appropriate to occasions. It's as though it is a pleasant chore to which she no longer gives over much thought like going out for a walk. I just wish she would say no to these men sometimes. Maybe just occasionally. I have never been on a dating app but surely people behaving in this way (both men and women) are the reason that they get such a bad rap? How about she proactively became part of the solution to cleaning up the arena so as to make it a more wholesome experience for younger generations?
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Soffit · 07/03/2022 18:32

I don't know what would happen if she became one of the invisible people on the app in time who received no interest? It's almost like she would not know what to do with the time set aside for dating and shagging. I do not know how she describes herself on these apps but why is she constantly attracting people who are only interested in her for the night or a couple of days. I just recalled that many of them do not even tell her when they are done. They make themselves uncontactable with no explanation. She knows the drill but she still submits herself to such a degrading process. I don't think I can stay friends with her for much longer but it concerns me to think that she could still be like this when she is elderly.

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gettingolderandgrumpy · 07/03/2022 18:37

I doubt very much she ‘ let a man shag her because he was parked near her flat and paid for dinner ‘ did she actually say it like that ? . Perhaps she did regret it afterwards jeez lots of woman and men get caught up in the moment but the next morning are like wtf was I thinking.
I think you need to stop judging there is nothing wrong with her if she feels like shit having one night stands then that’s different but that’s down to her to change that .

beastlyslumber · 07/03/2022 18:38

You don't sound 'concerned' OP. You sound judgemental and critical. Your friend sounds like she needs an actual friend. Being fake-psychoanalysed and judged by someone who feels superior to her is not going to be of any use to her. You are not a good friend and your 'concern' is not convincing.

You don't want to continue the friendship. It's not her fault. You've decided that you are a better, wiser, and more moral person to live her life than she is herself. That's not friendship. That sounds more like an attempt to control and shame her. Leave her alone. Maybe she'll find a friend who genuinely gets her and cares for her, and who will be able to help her if and when she decides she needs some help.

Soffit · 07/03/2022 18:43

@gettingolderandgrumpy

I doubt very much she ‘ let a man shag her because he was parked near her flat and paid for dinner ‘ did she actually say it like that ? . Perhaps she did regret it afterwards jeez lots of woman and men get caught up in the moment but the next morning are like wtf was I thinking. I think you need to stop judging there is nothing wrong with her if she feels like shit having one night stands then that’s different but that’s down to her to change that .
She did, honestly!! She reported it matter-of-factly. She was only mildly irritated that he may have made it up and it may have been an excuse which he uses repeatedly to get a shag. She actually found it amusing while she was telling me about it. At times, I have even considered whether she has these liaisons to have something unique to bring to the table as a friend. However, when I find myself smudging the house with sage and pouring cleaning liquids down the loo after she has visited from abroad at Christmas because I am grossed out by it all then I question whether there is any point left to being a long distance ex-best friend.
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Chikapu · 07/03/2022 18:47

However, when I find myself smudging the house with sage and pouring cleaning liquids down the loo after she has visited from abroad at Christmas because I am grossed out by it all then I question whether there is any point left to being a long distance ex-best friend

So basically you think she's unclean in some way? You sound a bit of an arsehole tbh.

Soffit · 07/03/2022 18:47

@beastlyslumber

You don't sound 'concerned' OP. You sound judgemental and critical. Your friend sounds like she needs an actual friend. Being fake-psychoanalysed and judged by someone who feels superior to her is not going to be of any use to her. You are not a good friend and your 'concern' is not convincing.

You don't want to continue the friendship. It's not her fault. You've decided that you are a better, wiser, and more moral person to live her life than she is herself. That's not friendship. That sounds more like an attempt to control and shame her. Leave her alone. Maybe she'll find a friend who genuinely gets her and cares for her, and who will be able to help her if and when she decides she needs some help.

I felt closer to her than any of my siblings for many years and I imagined that this was the greatest friendship of my life but I agree that we have diverged. I don't wish to change or control her because once you take away the tales of her encounters, what is there left to talk about? Her work (not interesting to me), my kids (not interesting to her). If I am honest, I judged her for living in countries with hugely important traditions of eastern spirituality and letting it all completely pass her by rather than immersing herself in those types of opportunities and living so meaninglessly, by my standards.
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beastlyslumber · 07/03/2022 18:50

However, when I find myself smudging the house with sage and pouring cleaning liquids down the loo after she has visited from abroad at Christmas because I am grossed out by it all then I question whether there is any point left to being a long distance ex-best friend.

I'm sorry, OP, but the more you post, the more it sounds like you are the one with the problem. This behaviour is weird and deeply unpleasant.

I wonder if your friend makes up stories to wind you up, because she knows how judgemental and moralistic you are.

Either way, please leave this woman alone. You are harming her.

Tinacollada · 07/03/2022 18:51

Who gives a fuck about your opinions on your friends sex life OP?

How bizarre

Franklyfrost · 07/03/2022 18:52

smudging the house with sage and pouring cleaning liquids down the loo after she has visited

I call troll.

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