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Does Climate Change Exist?

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lb66 · 02/03/2022 01:03

Is climate change a real thing? I certainly believe so. I believe we are fighting a losing battle but we fight on for a better future for our descendants. Unlike two unnamed members of my family who vehemently deny that climate change exists. One family member will say, 'it was never like this in my day' Well, no it wasn't, it takes years to evolve. Climate change doesn't happen overnight. Another family member has even verbally abused my DD over this very subject.
What can I say to these limited educated family members of mine to at the very least, keep an open mind?

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MarbleQueen · 02/03/2022 01:17

You don’t say anything and it’s not your place to preach at your limited educated family members.

RainbowCrayons · 02/03/2022 01:39

It's very hard because ethe scientists tend to only publish in scientific journals but the cranks are much better at engaging with the public. It's the same issue with anti-vaxxers although doctors are now realizing the importance and getti g the message out there. I studied climate science and there's a lot of back and forth arguing about minor details like the effect of clouds on the projections but the overall effect is pretty certain. There isn't enough effort to get this message out to the public, and the scientific community does tend to look down it's nose at some of the semi scientific books (Bill Bryson's short history of nearly everything is very readable but the importance of this when engaging with the public is overlooked). There is also the never ending problem that all the decisions get caught up in red tape anyway and governments tend to think in election cycles so don't want to spend on issues that wont matter in the next 4 years even if there are long term problems coming. And so we are made to focus on individual issues whereas large companies who would make far more difference get away with doing nothing unless governments step in. I suppose I think it's a problem just as much (if not more) with the scientific community and the government rather than individuals although I also agree family members who flat out don't believe in climate change are annoyingly impossible to argue with.

HoneyItIsntGoodLuck · 02/03/2022 01:42

As with everything that is grounded in science, it is oddly always the less educated who deny it. See: climate change / COVID / vaccines, etc.

Tells you all you need to know.

I don’t think saying that to them will win them over, of course.

The less educated always think they know better than the experts… 🤔

Lovecats22 · 02/03/2022 02:00

None of those things being 'grounded in science'. What actually is 'science'? Most scientific research is funded by those who have a financial interest in a particular outcome. Real scientists do not exist as they can only research what they are told to. Climate change, covid, vaccines, they all make a lot of money for a lot of people and are useful in furthering other agendas. People do seriously need to wake up to what actually goes on in the world as it's certainly not what they are led to believe.

labyrinthlaziness · 02/03/2022 02:05

With climate change deniers, there is little you can do, they are stuck there mentally. As with all conspiracy theorists, they are not going to listen.

I would not waste my breath trying to change their mind but neither would I stop saying what I thought.

Another family member has even verbally abused my DD over this very subject. If someone was like this I would be having words, and cutting contact if it continued. Disagreeing is one thing, verbal abuse is another.

labyrinthlaziness · 02/03/2022 02:07

Real scientists do not exist as they can only research what they are told to. Climate change, covid, vaccines, they all make a lot of money for a lot of people and are useful in furthering other agendas.
This is conspiracy nonsense of the first order.

Lovecats22 · 02/03/2022 02:19

Some people prefer to live in a world of comforting illusion, it's their choice and I respect that

HoneyItIsntGoodLuck · 02/03/2022 02:22

@Lovecats22

None of those things being 'grounded in science'. What actually is 'science'? Most scientific research is funded by those who have a financial interest in a particular outcome. Real scientists do not exist as they can only research what they are told to. Climate change, covid, vaccines, they all make a lot of money for a lot of people and are useful in furthering other agendas. People do seriously need to wake up to what actually goes on in the world as it's certainly not what they are led to believe.
Grin

Here we go.

MrsTerryPratchett · 02/03/2022 02:25

Another family member has even verbally abused my DD over this very subject.

That's where I step in. You want to demonstrate your stupidity? Fine. You want to abuse my child? Watch out.

labyrinthlaziness · 02/03/2022 02:29

@Lovecats22

Some people prefer to live in a world of comforting illusion, it's their choice and I respect that
I agree entirely with this Smile

Who is living in the 'world of comforting illusion' though, the conspiracy theorists or the sheeple?

Lovecats22 · 02/03/2022 02:31

@HoneyItIsntGoodLuck while your head is stuck in the sand...your arse is still up in the air

Lovecats22 · 02/03/2022 02:38

@labyrinthlaziness the comforting illusion part refers to those who blindly trust that authority tells them the truth about everything and doesn't in fact have a hidden agenda. Do you really believe that governments have your best interest at heart? Do they really care about your health/wellbeing/that of the environment? Or are they more interested in making money/control of the population? I understand exactly why people believe what they are told as it's cleverly done but it's naivety to think you are always told the truth by authority.

labyrinthlaziness · 02/03/2022 02:42

[quote Lovecats22]@labyrinthlaziness the comforting illusion part refers to those who blindly trust that authority tells them the truth about everything and doesn't in fact have a hidden agenda. Do you really believe that governments have your best interest at heart? Do they really care about your health/wellbeing/that of the environment? Or are they more interested in making money/control of the population? I understand exactly why people believe what they are told as it's cleverly done but it's naivety to think you are always told the truth by authority.[/quote]
You know there is no point saying this to me.

I'm a fully paid up sheeple who blindly trusts 'authority'...

Lovecats22 · 02/03/2022 02:50

OK so you trust those who told you to stay away from your friends and family during lockdown while they partied away and laughed at us.
Honestly that's OK and that's fine. It's your life and your choice, I would never take that from you. We're all entitled to our own opinions.

labyrinthlaziness · 02/03/2022 03:21

@Lovecats22

OK so you trust those who told you to stay away from your friends and family during lockdown while they partied away and laughed at us. Honestly that's OK and that's fine. It's your life and your choice, I would never take that from you. We're all entitled to our own opinions.
Johnson was wrong to party, but other leaders did not do that. I did not trust Johnson before the party news came out, it was not his advice I was following in the first place.

I do not claim to know everything, but you are extrapolating from one man's behaviour.

You are not immune to confirmation bias any more than anyone else. Conspiracy theorists always seem to assume they have spotted something other people have missed. I haven't missed Johnson's hypocrisy, I just interpret it differently.

cuno · 02/03/2022 03:36

@Lovecats22

None of those things being 'grounded in science'. What actually is 'science'? Most scientific research is funded by those who have a financial interest in a particular outcome. Real scientists do not exist as they can only research what they are told to. Climate change, covid, vaccines, they all make a lot of money for a lot of people and are useful in furthering other agendas. People do seriously need to wake up to what actually goes on in the world as it's certainly not what they are led to believe.
Are you one of the uneducated family members mentioned in the OP?
Lovecats22 · 02/03/2022 04:02

He's just one example but those in positions of authority are all connected, different puppets, same masters at the core. They are not different.

Not extrapolating from one man's behaviour either, he was one of many examples of people in authority that I could have used. Let's look at Bill Gates, he supposedly cares about your health and that of your family and wants to protect you with a vaccine. The same man stands to benefit immensely from these vaccines, is the 2nd biggest funder of the WHO who direct nhs/governments, funds the BBC and has links all over, including to people like Whitty. Not suspicious at all, no?

Conspiracy researchers do pick up on things other people miss. And sorry but there are patterns everywhere, that isn't confirmation bias. They look for a LOT of evidence to back things up before they believe anything. They know nothing in this world is random, everything is connected and those in authority are simply lying bastards.

Lovecats22 · 02/03/2022 04:05

@cuno I'm certainly not uneducated thanks

labyrinthlaziness · 02/03/2022 04:17

This in particular is bollocks: Conspiracy researchers do pick up on things other people miss. They do not. They just attribute meaning to things in a different way.

They know nothing in this world is random, everything is connected This is the core belief of all conspiracy theorists, it comes from a psychological inability to deal with the randomness of life.

Conspiracy theories are just... groundless theories.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 02/03/2022 04:21

@Lovecats22

He's just one example but those in positions of authority are all connected, different puppets, same masters at the core. They are not different.

Not extrapolating from one man's behaviour either, he was one of many examples of people in authority that I could have used. Let's look at Bill Gates, he supposedly cares about your health and that of your family and wants to protect you with a vaccine. The same man stands to benefit immensely from these vaccines, is the 2nd biggest funder of the WHO who direct nhs/governments, funds the BBC and has links all over, including to people like Whitty. Not suspicious at all, no?

Conspiracy researchers do pick up on things other people miss. And sorry but there are patterns everywhere, that isn't confirmation bias. They look for a LOT of evidence to back things up before they believe anything. They know nothing in this world is random, everything is connected and those in authority are simply lying bastards.

I can think of 2 'scientists' who were right and their work is observable in this pp, Dunning and Kruger
Lovecats22 · 02/03/2022 04:28

Sorry but of course authority wants you to think they are groundless theories. I doubt you've done too much research yourself, if it's not on Bill Gates-funded BBC it mustn't be true, right? 😆
There's a saying, know the outcome and you'll see the journey. It becomes easy to see where things are headed next because things definitely aren't random and you know the agenda that is being followed.
There seems to be a psychological inability to accept that some people are just more perceptive than others.

Lovecats22 · 02/03/2022 04:34

@JustAnotherPoster00
I wasn't talking about myself though

DoorWasAJar · 02/03/2022 04:56

@Lovecats22 Agenda 2050? CCP style social credit score? That’s what I see ☹️

DoorWasAJar · 02/03/2022 05:00

@Lovecats22 Communitarianism and flexitarianism, they call it. Saw Moby in a propaganda documentary on this, strange they chose him for the vegan virtue signalling when he admitted he touches people with his penis at parties, without their consent.

WeQuestionEverything · 02/03/2022 06:18

@Lovecats22

OK so you trust those who told you to stay away from your friends and family during lockdown while they partied away and laughed at us. Honestly that's OK and that's fine. It's your life and your choice, I would never take that from you. We're all entitled to our own opinions.
You are conflating two separate issues.
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