Inconsiderate NDNs re noise/light

[Gonnagetgoing]

I live in a street where there are mostly families with kids or retired or single people.

NDN's have rented out their house to two women - at a guess in 40s/50s.

They have so far had 2 really loud parties, lots of singing, very loud music and 1 with no notice whatsoever and the other was one meant to end at 5pm but carried on until early hours of next day.

My bedroom is flush to theirs and I could easily move but I like the aspect (garden). I wouldn't mind considering moving bedroom (I have one other double bedroom and a box room) for good or even temporarily but it's the lack of notice I don't like.

I've also been told by neighbours that they've installed a sauna in one room for sex parties?! which I don't care about but they now seem to have loads of friends to come and stay in their 'party house'.

They also have lights - like fairy lights with bigger bulbs but they seem to be right across the garden that looks up into my bedroom. I already have blackout curtains.

Yes I would use earplugs etc had I known about this, yes I could use an eye mask.

My question is - should I put up with this? Previous renters with a 1 year old and 6 year old made hardly any noise and the owners had 3 kids and you barely heard a sound!

I don't see why I should have to move bedroom just because NDNs are inconsiderate. They have told me since re the noise and I think lights to tell them when they're on but I feel like a real party pooper doing this. I don't want to come across as a fun sponge.

So what would you do?

@christingle2

The thing is, you can’t actually get them evicted. They have housing rights so the eviction process isn’t speedy, you’d probably be looking at 6 months for bailiffs to arrive

@christingle2 6 months fine by me.

Like I said my attic needs converting so I’ll move out get landlords to start evicting and there ya go!

@christingle2

Also can’t lie but 2 parties over the festive period/the month after they move in is not excessive. 2 major events there.

@christingle2 I don’t mind the odd party as I said. Some notice would be lovely!

It’s if it’s 2 parties or more a month over the whole year with no notice than I personally find inconsiderate. But maybe manners change over time…

oh and the fairy lights whatever they are are right near the patio - so not down the end of the garden

ask them to put the lights in the garden on a timer for 10pm as they are shining in your bedroom which you already have black out curtains to prevent

do you have the landlords phone number? give them a call when the parties are taking place and loud, juts say you've called to mention that its very loud and disturbing you.

Mate, you're deluded. Enjoy!

I see both sides as had terrible neighbours twice who were up partying all night and kept me and son away while we had to get up for work so it is horrible. But you can explain to them about the lights and are you really in your bedroom during the day if she is working in hers next door. Just talk to them and explain you need notice re parties. Also you sound very condescending towards the two women next door just because they are renting and saying you can get them evicted sounds very nasty. No you cannot get them evicted just because you want them evicted as that is now how the law works. Maybe if you talk to them and get on with them better they will make adjustments but you do not own the road just because you own your own house.

For god sake you can't just get a landlord to start evicting someone because the neighbours said they are loud! There are laws about how and when to evict people, which is a good job considering there are actual idiots like you about!

(Maybe you keep having 'pile on' threads for a reason eh?)

@Ekekekeke

For god sake you can't just get a landlord to start evicting someone because the neighbours said they are loud! There are laws about how and when to evict people, which is a good job considering there are actual idiots like you about!

(Maybe you keep having 'pile on' threads for a reason eh?)

@Ekekekeke - I don't keep having 'pile on' threads - the other one was very biased one way or the other.

Funnily enough I do know the law but I also know about being a considerate neighbour which to me, they are not really being.

I think they've seen a house which is semi-detached on one side, terraced to mine on the other and is large and it's a 'party house' to them.

That's great but I'm not used to that. Their first and second parties were really loud and carried on until 2-3am and like I said with no notice.

I mean fuck me but I was always brought up to tell neighbours politely if they were having a loud party as it is polite and fosters good neighbour relations.

@BOOTS52

I see both sides as had terrible neighbours twice who were up partying all night and kept me and son away while we had to get up for work so it is horrible. But you can explain to them about the lights and are you really in your bedroom during the day if she is working in hers next door. Just talk to them and explain you need notice re parties. Also you sound very condescending towards the two women next door just because they are renting and saying you can get them evicted sounds very nasty. No you cannot get them evicted just because you want them evicted as that is now how the law works. Maybe if you talk to them and get on with them better they will make adjustments but you do not own the road just because you own your own house.

@BOOTS52

I agree that I sound condescending - I'm just fed up with these two issues so far. I don't think I own the road because I own my house at all. I'm just annoyed as it is impacting my sleep.

After work when I'm not in my living room say from 5-6pm onwards if I go to my bedroom to check on where the cat is, then that is where one of their offices is - next to my bedroom - that's fine. I hear her but it's not the end of the world - I just didn't expect that! The houses are typical Victorian terrace with bad soundproofing so maybe I'll look into soundproofing.

@ivykaty44

oh and the fairy lights whatever they are are right near the patio - so not down the end of the garden

ask them to put the lights in the garden on a timer for 10pm as they are shining in your bedroom which you already have black out curtains to prevent

do you have the landlords phone number? give them a call when the parties are taking place and loud, juts say you've called to mention that its very loud and disturbing you.

@ivyate - good idea re the lights.

Landlords are in Canada and use a letting agents. I think I'll speak more to the NDNs first and then go via maybe letting agents if that doesn't work.

The fairy lights aren't the teeny tiny lights - they're quite large orange sized bulbs and they have a huge area of garden and patio so wondering why near me is best?!

Reading my post back I do sound a bit awful but I am used to peace and quiet at night and as I said the kids we had so far have been quiet or quieter so maybe it's just adjustment on my part.

Sorry to anyone I've offended and I've rented myself in the past.

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I’d get these for the sake of a few quid and ask them to swap

Solar lights are far more gentle and fade during the evening

Sorry they're being twats.

I Would adjust your expectations about eviction- the landlord might be able to give notice, but not until the end of the fixed term, which sounds like it could be 2 years, wait out the notice period, then start the eviction process, then take to court, before actually evicting. It's not something most landlords would do for a neighbour, as it takes forever, and it's likely your house will be trashed/ they'll stop paying rent in the meantime.

@user1471538283

I would tell them. Noisy people know they are noisy. I'm sick of entitled people thinking they can do as they wish.

I agree. Parties should move indoors at 10pm and music off by midnight latest though that doesn't stop the loud voices, which get ever louder as people get drunker.

It is possible to have a nice time without keeping everyone around you awake but some people seem to think that it's not a party if the whole street can't hear you.

@ivykaty44

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I’d get these for the sake of a few quid and ask them to swap

Solar lights are far more gentle and fade during the evening

@ivykaty44 - good idea!

@KnobJockey

Sorry they're being twats.

I Would adjust your expectations about eviction- the landlord might be able to give notice, but not until the end of the fixed term, which sounds like it could be 2 years, wait out the notice period, then start the eviction process, then take to court, before actually evicting. It's not something most landlords would do for a neighbour, as it takes forever, and it's likely your house will be trashed/ they'll stop paying rent in the meantime.

@KnobJockey - thanks re this.

I just am really worried that this will be the start of upping the ante of parties throughout the year and I'll just have to put up and shut up.

Maybe I should have parties but I rarely do or if dinner parties they end at latest 12pm. I go out to bars!

My NDNs are quite sympathetic as the NDN is a close friend of mine. She was a bit shocked they'd got a sauna in the house but not a lot she can do!

It looks like sadly NDNs will stay in Canada after 2 years as they love lifestyle and much better for them and their DC etc.

I don't think these new NDNs would trash the house, be nasty or anything but you never know.

Am going to maybe speak to ex colleague who knows all about landlord and tenant stuff being a solicitor and see what they advise.

But will also try to speak to NDNs and see what they say/come up with. I like to think I could be reasonable and we could come to an agreement, I mean heck, maybe I'd even have a party and invite them over!

@JuergenSchwarzwald - see - the house is big - had an extension fitted last year so there's a huge kitchen/dining room area but a large patio. Means it juts out into garden but adjoins my lean to and the space inbetween that and our houses - it's a gap - hard to explain. Its fine generally but not noise friendly.

I don't mind the parties like I said if I had notice!

As I said I hope to get attic converted this year so if I do that I might make the huge space there into my bedroom.

It just irritates me that it's right next to my main bedroom and I might have to move bedroom!

I wouldn't even mind if music was off by or just after midnight as long as I had notice so I could move bedroom.

I really don't want to be whatsapping them telling them to turn music down whilst they have a party either!

Agreed they should try to keep noise down after 10pm outside and move inside. That is what I would do.

Right now they have people over a lot at weekends, to stay, which is great but the noise levels seem to be high at that side of the house. It was the same last night and noise does travel. I don't even mind noise up to say 11pm or later but it's Monday night FFS?!

Noise from parties is just inconsiderate and rude in a built up street, I wouldn’t put up with it. Complain to the owner ( not sure, but in NZ renters have a responsibility not to upset the neighbours etc and can be removed for repeated loud parties etc), get the authorities involved.

Noise from kids, the occasional argument etc is fairly normal but partying into the early hours is just selfish. If people want late hugely loud parties hire a hall, nightclub, or buy a house with no near neighbours etc etc a house is not a club, neighbours are not there to put up with party central. 2 parties in just over 2 months does not bode well, good luck ….

@Gonnagetgoing

I’m going to ignore the MN idiots who seem to think yeah pile on. I had this the other week and had to get a thread deleted.

Not surprising, if you had the same attitude as you do on this thread, which I'm struggling to believe is actually real.

I have experience with antisocial neighbours who were ultimately evicted.

I get why you aren’t being nice and balanced about these people, op. One of the things I found hardest about my situ was that it made me misanthropic. They’ve been inconsiderate and done nothing to mitigate concerns you may have about what this will be like going forward. I would be worried about two very noisy parties within a short space of time too; ok if celebrating moving in, but far too much on an ongoing basis. And you have no idea because they aren’t communicating.

However, if you’re going to go down the route of contacting their LL or the council you need to do everything possible to be seen as the reasonable party. Do try and talk to the neighbours politely first - as long as you aren’t afraid of them, that is very reasonable as a first step. Don’t describe them disparagingly. Be calm and balanced. If it does end up with evictions this will be someone else’s choice, not yours, and so you need to have the decision-maker on side. ANY hint that you think yourself better than renters is not likely to be well-received by the council. The focus needs to be on how this is impacting you and the neighbourhood, not on any judgement of your neighbours.

FYI, when we were going through this the council were working to get the neighbours to stop antisocial noise and restore civil relations. Eviction will not be a first step. They advised neighbours it was nice to advise us of parties (and parties themselves are not unreasonable - it’s about how loud, how long, whether they involve threatening behaviour, etc.) , but also told us this was advice only, not obligatory. What the council could act on was actual AS behaviour. So be prepared for not all of your concerns to be addressed even if you can get some improvements.

Just ask them to keep noise down at next party, 2 in 2 months? Your being dramatic

It appears there are two camps here - the ones who think I'm being rude (which I've already admitted to) and @AWeekinJanuary who isn't surprised I'm not being misanthropic about the situation.

I dislike confrontation and if anyone had bothered to read my posts then they'd see that if they had told me re parties I could move rooms. I'm struggling to believe that most of you would be really happy that you're woken at midnight which then goes on til 3am (first party) and there was no warning. I think they had karaoke and it was right next to my bedroom. If I had had notice I could've moved rooms, got earplugs etc!

Would the ones who are not on my side really be happy being woken up by that one time?!

The second party was meant to be ending at 5pm - it didn't it carried on until 2am. I didn't mind and was invited too - but was out during the day - but again no warning of it going past 5pm. They have a much bigger house than mine due to extensions - about 3 double bedrooms at least plus extra space and they had lots of people to stay. If I had been warned - 'oh gonna the party will go past 5pm and might be loud' then I'd have moved into another bedroom!

And yes, sorry but I don't want to be worrying about these parties twice a month or more.

@Moneypennysfreedomfund - exactly - it's a built up street! The NDNs before them who still own used external venues to hold night time parties.

all advice taken onboard so far though.

People on MN have a surprisingly tolerant attitude to parties. For anyone who has to work, is an early riser or suffers from insomnia, a party until 2AM can ruin an entire weekend.

In many countries, noise after 8PM is banned. We are quite exceptional internationally in UK.

I am an early riser, but would never dream of playing a musical instrument before 8:30AM on the weekend, or listening to music, as I know my neighbours would be woken up. The same consideration should apply at night.

I would record excessively loud noise and complain to council. But, yes, you should try to have a civilised conversation first.

If anyone had bothered to read my posts then they'd see that if they had told me re parties I could move rooms
I guess I just don't understand why you'd need forward notice of this. If you got woke up and could move rooms to solve the issue, why not just do that?
Would the ones who are not on my side really be happy being woken up by that one time?!
Not particularly. But as an infrequent occurrence it wouldn't have me jumping up and down in a rage either.
And yes, sorry but I don't want to be worrying about these parties twice a month or more.
You've continually mentioned twice a month parties, but it's quite unfair and misleading. They literally could have had a moving in party and a birthday party. They might not have another party all year!
I wouldn't think you were at all unreasonable if they had been having twice a month parties, but you've just seemed to decide that's precisely what's going to happen in the future and it very well may not be the case.

@TheReluctantPhoenix

People on MN have a surprisingly tolerant attitude to parties. For anyone who has to work, is an early riser or suffers from insomnia, a party until 2AM can ruin an entire weekend.

In many countries, noise after 8PM is banned. We are quite exceptional internationally in UK.

I am an early riser, but would never dream of playing a musical instrument before 8:30AM on the weekend, or listening to music, as I know my neighbours would be woken up. The same consideration should apply at night.

I would record excessively loud noise and complain to council. But, yes, you should try to have a civilised conversation first.

@TheReluctantPhoenix - thank you!

I've been suffering with peri/menopause and it's only recently (thank you Magnesium Citrate!) that i'm sleeping through! But yes I did have insomnia due to that! I also have to work but luckily WFH for now.

I am considerate like you re music - there is no way I have loud music on as it's just not fair on neighbours. Generally with music in my neighbours they play it at normal levels - sometimes a bit loud but not excessively.

I'm going to try a civilised conversation first and practise a smile through gritted teeth .

@DropYourSword

If anyone had bothered to read my posts then they'd see that if they had told me re parties I could move rooms I guess I just don't understand why you'd need forward notice of this. If you got woke up and could move rooms to solve the issue, why not just do that? Would the ones who are not on my side really be happy being woken up by that one time?! Not particularly. But as an infrequent occurrence it wouldn't have me jumping up and down in a rage either. And yes, sorry but I don't want to be worrying about these parties twice a month or more. You've continually mentioned twice a month parties, but it's quite unfair and misleading. They literally could have had a moving in party and a birthday party. They might not have another party all year! I wouldn't think you were at all unreasonable if they had been having twice a month parties, but you've just seemed to decide that's precisely what's going to happen in the future and it very well may not be the case.

@DropYourSword - so you'd love to move bedroom having been woken up by a party that you had no idea was taking place?

Like I said - infrequent occurrences wouldn't have me jumping up and down but I can see from them that this will more than likely be a party house - quite a few people staying over since the parties and lots of loud noise, karaoke, singing etc. If I didn't mention other people staying over then sorry.

Anyway as I said before - I've taken advice on board and will have civilised chats with them.

so you'd love to move bedroom having been woken up by a party that you had no idea was taking place?
Love to? No, of course not. But I'd just do it is it solved the immediate problem! just like I don't love to go to the spare room if my DH is snoring, but I'll just do it to get a decent nights sleep!
I'm glad you've got some suggestions from this thread you'll be able to use moving forward.