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How do second helpings work?

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CluelessInWonderland · 26/12/2021 16:16

My family work on the unstated assumption that nobody should have an empty plate ever unless they are completely stuffed or the food has run out. My husband believes nobody should have seconds until everyone has an empty plate. If you offer him more soup while he’s eating soup he reacts as if you’re offering him pudding or after-dinner mints or poison.
What is normal?

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CluelessInWonderland · 27/12/2021 14:25

@Bluntness100
A lot of people make a big song and dance about not liking to be overfaced, including DH. Gauging everyone’s appetite before they start is difficult as well. As long as more is available, I’m not sure why inadequate first portions should be a problem. If there isn’t enough and you’re relying on the self- sacrificing to decline seconds then yes. Anyway, I don’t personally serve everyone everything when there are guests and sometimes we’re guests.

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LittleBabyCheeses · 27/12/2021 14:38

We just put everything in serving bowls in the middle of the table. Saves all this apparent angst.

Bluntness100 · 27/12/2021 17:31

There’s a mid ground between inadequate and over faced. It’s called adequate.

Why don’t you just put serving bowls put for everyone and let them help themselves? Then you and your husband don’t need to go through this and you don’t need to offer seconds, folks can eat what they wish.

CluelessInWonderland · 27/12/2021 17:50

Why don’t you just put serving bowls put for everyone and let them help themselves? Then you and your husband don’t need to go through this and you don’t need to offer seconds, folks can eat what they wish.

Because, irrespective of who serves whom, DH is offended if anyone takes seconds before everyone has eaten everything on their plates.

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CluelessInWonderland · 27/12/2021 17:56

@Kite22

I wouldn’t want to be offered more soup while I was still eating soup. Doesn’t make any sense.

Of course it does.
If we were having soup for a meal, then it would have been served - a bowl each - and the remaining would be in the saucepan still. We eat in a dining kitchen. If 3 people had finished and one had either been faffing or had arrived late or for whatever reason still had 4 or 5 spoonfuls left in their bowl, I would go into the kitchen part, bring the saucepan over and ask who wants more. At this point, slow eater / late starter person only has a few spoonfuls left so can judge perfectly well if they will want a bit more.
I'm not serving the 3 people, taking the pan back, coming back to sit down, then finding slow person doesn't want more, then ending up with 1/2 a bowlful to either waste or share between 3, after they've then finished up their bread, thinking that is the end of the soup.

Makes perfect sense.

Now, if you are talking about a more formal family dinner with all your veg in serving bowls in the middle, then I would expect people to serve themselves as and when they fancy a bit more of something. Very normal in my experience, to have politely taken what looks to be 1/10th (or however many people are at the table) from the dish, then, after everyone has served themselves, you realise 4 of them don't like parsnips so there are 'spare' if you fancy some more once you've eaten the ones you've got, to accompany the turkey and roasties you still have on your plate.

OP your dh sounds somewhat rigid and hung up about this.

Thanks, that was the soup scenario.
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Alayalaya · 27/12/2021 18:06

Depends if you’re a guest or it’s your home. Guests should never ask for seconds or take them uninvited. Wait for the host to offer. The host should wait until everyone is finished to offer seconds, so everyone can have an equal chance to have some. It’s greedy and rude for you to take seconds if someone is else is still eating their firsts. But you should be pacing yourself to finish at roughly the same time any way... if you’re shovelling it in faster than everyone else and finishing first that’s a whole different etiquette problem.

CluelessInWonderland · 27/12/2021 18:35

@amusedbush

I’m probably more weird than either of you - I’ve never had seconds in my life Blush I grew up with a mother obsessed with weight who would glare at every bite of food I put into my mouth so I had never heard of people taking second helpings until I was an adult. Even now I eat what’s on my plate and if I’m still hungry, I’ll have a yoghurt or a piece of fruit. I’m fat btw, this isn’t a weird weight brag, I’m just now realising how much diet culture and my mum has impacted how I eat.

On reflection, I agree with you, OP. If you’re eating soup and enjoying it and getting toward the end, you should know at that point whether or not you’d like a bit more.

That’s interesting. I’m trying to remember how often we had seconds as children. I think not all that much unless there were visitors. We generally just divided everything up and ate it. My DH, however, regards it as more civilised to not put everything out at once. Partly to avoid being overfaced and partly because it slows things down.
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WombatChocolate · 29/12/2021 09:51

Communal eating…..requires both graciousness and also awareness of others. Being first served in a large group, then gobbling so you’ve finished before everyone has even started and helping yourself to lots more…..so obviously rude and lacking social awareness. It’s the kind of thing some teenagers might do because they know no better….but up to parents to tell them. Even less acceptable from fully grown adults who seem to only think about themselves.

Hosts need to be gracious in the face of poor manners. However, hosts an also manage these situations so that things work well. Quite often, some of these issues arise because hosts don’t think through the issues of getting food out to larger numbers. Putting all the food out to start getting cold and only then putting out cold plates, or slowly serving each individual rather than having any help yourself stuff, all creates tension, cold food and is likely to lead to more selfish behaviour.

Key things which help with serving large groups and ensuring a balance of access to food and people not feeling pressurised are;

  • hot dinner plates which will keep food warm a bit longer
  • host dishing up a main meat item and letting guests help themselves to side dishes from heated bowls
  • getting everyone to sit down together and bringing things out fast…the old fashioned hostess trolley helps here
  • ensuring things like serving spoons, hot plates, condiments are all in table to start
  • in some situations suggesting an indication of starting quantities (esp useful with teenage boys) - ‘maybe start with 4 roast potatoes…there will be more for seconds later’
  • putting the main dish/meat back in the oven or hostess trolley to keep warm after serving - both keeps it warm ans allows hostess to judge when the right time to bring back out is for seconds serving
  • host keeping an eye on the progress of the meal. At the point where a proportion of the table have finished, perhaps saying ‘we can have seconds in a few minutes. Who might be interested in some extra meat/veg etc’. Quite simply asking the question before people start helping themselves, hopefully means people speak up and those prone to take lots, get a sense that others are interested too. This will help some rein it in with their portions, although not all.
  • Host can also say to anyone who is less quick or vocal about coming forward ‘Grandpa, do you think you’d like some extra potatoes when you’re ready’ before launching the hoardes onto seconds.

Some of how you handle it depends on numbers. The larger the group, the more management mind be needed. Some people might even not have everything g in the serving bowls, but keep some back and only bring it out later if they feel people would still like extras.

Those I’ve seen who are regular hosts to large numbers, often have this stuff down to a tee. I’ve observed that when they’re serving 20+ they often serve smallish first portions. It means less waste as some people are small eaters, and that then means there are seconds for those who’d like more. They always seems to serve at least the meat, or main dish because they know how much there is and by doing this, ensure everyone gets some and it doesn’t run out. They also seem to own hostess trolley or heated serving dishes/mats which keep food warm for longer and own copious amounts of serving dishes and spoons. They also place things so guests can easily reach the dishes or access them in a sensible order, which helps the flow.

Worst case scenario hosted by those less familiar…..delicious buffets which are a total free for all….early guests take large portions of the main dish or other dishes, resulting in key items running out well before everyone has had some. It’s not that the event was under catered at all, simply the food was not managed. Some people might have been a bit greedy, others would have had no sense at all that filling half their plate with salmon, when there were 15 dishes of different items on the table, wasn’t the idea. If the host had cut the salmon into portion sizes upfront, or served that item, the issue could have been removed. It’s mostly just experience.

SushiGo · 29/12/2021 09:54

@dementedpixie

We have food in dishes on the table so you can top your plate up whenever you like. If there's a small amount left of an item you would ask if anyone else wanted it before taking it yourself
Same.

We have some very slow eaters in our house. Help yourself but ask before finishing something means we aren't sat at the table forever but the slow eaters can still get seconds if they want to.

SushiGo · 29/12/2021 10:11

I have to say, I disagree with the advice about taking food off the table, hostess trolleys etc.

People are far more likely to eat the amount they genuinely want to when they feel relaxed and able to help themselves. If the host is jumping up and down every two seconds to serve others or take things in and out of a trolley many guests will refuse more food, and tell their children not to ask for more, so that the host can sit down and eat themselves!

CluelessInWonderland · 29/12/2021 18:43

Thanks. To be fair my Christmas dinner was a triumph this year with everything timed well and most of your points followed to get it all out hot, @WombatChocolate.
Everyone was on their best behaviour. People served themselves and each other and there was no taking seconds until firsts had been finished, even though most of the serving dishes were on the table.
It is really the days on either side of Christmas when it is just me, DH and my blood relatives that bring up problems. We are mostly eating either food the visitors have brought or leftovers. My family relax into family mode, which is entirely unlike DH’s family mode. They serve themselves and don’t wait for each other and get up and get the second tray of baked potatoes out of the oven or the soup off the stove. A certain person also eats a hell of a lot because he runs competitively for his local club, and trains almost every day. This is one reason I’m willing to admit to giving inadequate first portions because Christ knows what would be adequate. DH just feels under threat as if he has to bolt every thing or there will be nothing left. I don’t think it’s quite that bad, but obviously it seems so to him.

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