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Horse puncher sacked

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Viviennemary · 20/12/2021 22:10

I just read that Sarah Moulds that dreadful woman who was caught on video kicking and punching a horse has been sacked from her job as a teacher. Can't say I'm sorry.

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LadyGAgain · 21/12/2021 08:29

@Roselilly36

It was terrible what she did, no way could behaviour like that ever be acceptable, but I don’t agree that she has lost her job, I think that is wrong.
This.
AllThingsServeTheBeam · 21/12/2021 08:30

@Roselilly36

It was terrible what she did, no way could behaviour like that ever be acceptable, but I don’t agree that she has lost her job, I think that is wrong.
You'd be happy with her teaching your child would you? I wouldn't.
ButYouGottaHaveASkillJeff · 21/12/2021 08:34

Of course she should've lost her job.

Whilst your employer doesn't 'own' you, they do pay your wages. In return, you are expected to uphold their values as you are a representative of them. You act in a reprehensible manner then you face the consequences.

I'd argue that this is the side of SM that is positive. That such horrible acts are captured so that people can face the consequences of their actions.

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Jabbawasarollingstone · 21/12/2021 08:47

A high proportion of animal abusers go on to abuse human beings.

She has a terribly short temper. I saw the footage when Chris Packham tweeted it and I thought, why is she reacting that way? The horse hasn't done anything wrong?!

My child was taught for a while by a person with a short temper, he was emotionally vindictive, and got fired. It affected a lot of children at the time. I fully support this woman getting fired. I hope the RSPCA can prosecute too. She's a danger to humans to animals.

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Ijustwouldnt · 21/12/2021 08:58

I live and teach rurally. My colleague is a rider and quite a few of our community are.
I cant imagine any of us condoning animal abuse at school. Surely we teach respect to all living things?! I'm baffled by any other thoughts on this concerning animals.

Jesusstolemyhotrod · 21/12/2021 08:59

It's interesting how many people here think she should be sacked, whereas on another thread about a teacher doing coke in their own time, people were called 'sanctimonious ' for wanting to report them.

Fuuuuuckit · 21/12/2021 09:02

Behavior such as hers, in public and very clearly evidenced, would absolutely result in termination of employment under gross misconduct in any school I've ever worked in. And rightly so.

Teachers have a duty to maintain professional standards in school and outside - there was a post on here about a teacher publically taking cocaine and posters were shocked that despite this happening off school grounds he was facing dismissal.

Such behaviour absolutely reflects on the school, and they will have policies in place to cover this.

DismantledKing · 21/12/2021 09:03

@Fuuuuuckit

Behavior such as hers, in public and very clearly evidenced, would absolutely result in termination of employment under gross misconduct in any school I've ever worked in. And rightly so.

Teachers have a duty to maintain professional standards in school and outside - there was a post on here about a teacher publically taking cocaine and posters were shocked that despite this happening off school grounds he was facing dismissal.

Such behaviour absolutely reflects on the school, and they will have policies in place to cover this.

I agree totally. She deserves everything she gets.
Porcupineintherough · 21/12/2021 09:03

That's because doing coke only hurts human beings in far away countries that no one cares about @Jesusstolemyhotrod. This woman punched a horse.

MyWordWhatAPalava · 21/12/2021 09:03

I'm a teacher. I think this is a really tricky one. If I found out privately that a colleague abused animals, I would loathe them for it but don't think they would necessarily be a worse teacher. However, if a colleague was publicly seen abusing an animal (and this woman took no care not to be seen which makes you wonder what she'd do when not in public) it would be unacceptable for them to remain in their teaching role.

As teachers we are held to a, somewhat unfair, higher moral standard. One of the lessons we consistently teach in primary school is that violence is not ok, at all. Imagine the playground, little Peter kicks little Thomas and punches him in the face, little Thomas complains, little Peter says 'but Mrs X does it'. I mean how could she maintain any true authority?

Her actions are utterly repugnant, in the role she holds, she should know that her employment would be in jeopardy if the truth about her got out.

What would be interesting to know is if having a conviction for an offence of abusing animals is one which precludes you from becoming a teacher, or contractually if you are convicted, allows your employers to terminate your contract? I don't actually know that. I presume offences of violence against the person are relevant but not sure about animals.

Having said that I do agree that the court of Twitter is a very frightening and dangerous one.

DismantledKing · 21/12/2021 09:05

@Jesusstolemyhotrod

It's interesting how many people here think she should be sacked, whereas on another thread about a teacher doing coke in their own time, people were called 'sanctimonious ' for wanting to report them.
I was on that thread. I was in favour of reporting the teacher for that too.
Trixiethewhore · 21/12/2021 09:14

"Whipped up by the media"

I didn't read a single article about the subject. But I did see the video. No whipping up of hysteria needed. Her behaviour in that video was disgusting and I hope she is banned from owning or working with horses too.

BackBackBack · 21/12/2021 09:15

Grew up on a farm so very familiar with raising livestock for food, as well as the damage that foxes can do. I still don't agree with hunting and the comments about "suburbia" are just arrogant.

I dislike hunting because it's cruel and unnecessary.

ScaredOfOverDiagnosis · 21/12/2021 09:17

I don't like cats at all.
However, I could never hurt one.
The fear of God strikes me.
I hate myself for having killed insects.
This woman hit a horse that she knew.
Why do you want trash like that near your children?!
You and your community don't seem to respect animals if you're 'sad' for her.

BackBackBack · 21/12/2021 09:17

Sorry, fox hunting. There is a huge difference between eating meat which has been hunted - the hunt has a necessary purpose. Fox hunting is just cruel.

Although from my perspective I don't like hunting full stop regardless of whether it's purposeful, and I'm vegan, because I don't want to eat meat or dairy at all because of the animal cruelty involved.

FrancescaContini · 21/12/2021 09:18

Very pleased to hear this.

NavigatingAdolescence · 21/12/2021 09:18

@NoToast

I'm interested on what grounds she would lose her job for a case that hasn't been heard in court?

I'm not in any way defending her. I hate fox hunting, I hated seeing her slapping the pony, I would have withdrawn DC from school rather than let them be taught by her but surely there is some due process here? Is it possible an investigation has revealed more wrong doing or is this a bringing the profession into disrepute type of scenario?

I felt very uncomfortable with the Daily Mail inciting open season on her and still do.

Bringing her employer into disrepute.

Dismissal doesn’t require something to be proven beyond reasonable doubt (as per criminal charges) but balance of probability.

WouldIBeATwat · 21/12/2021 09:19

What would be interesting to know is if having a conviction for an offence of abusing animals is one which precludes you from becoming a teacher, or contractually if you are convicted, allows your employers to terminate your contract? I don't actually know that. I presume offences of violence against the person are relevant but not sure about animals.

See above. Potential reputation also damage to the employer.

Alarmset · 21/12/2021 09:20

Yes. She (probably) hasn't been sacked for what she did to the horse, but for the harm done to the school's reputation. It would be hard to argue that hasn't been proved with all the publicity.

antisocialsocialclub · 21/12/2021 09:21

@BackBackBack

Grew up on a farm so very familiar with raising livestock for food, as well as the damage that foxes can do. I still don't agree with hunting and the comments about "suburbia" are just arrogant.

I dislike hunting because it's cruel and unnecessary.

Exactly, foxes are wild animals and wild animals hunt other animals for food. Foxes don’t have any concept of people’s chickens being out of bounds. They don’t understand farms and livestock, this isn’t Chicken Run. The foxes aren’t planning to steal your chickens. They’re just food and if they are outdoors and easily accessible they’ll try and eat them 🤣

We all know this is a poor excuse and to be honest, I don’t think Hunters even care, it’s a sport to them. A blood sport and should have died out in the 17th century but here we are 😔

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NavigatingAdolescence · 21/12/2021 09:22

@Alarmset

Yes. She (probably) hasn't been sacked for what she did to the horse, but for the harm done to the school's reputation. It would be hard to argue that hasn't been proved with all the publicity.
Only needs to be 51% likely that it happened to dismiss.