Chris Noth accused of two sexual assaults

[Dearblossom]

Trigger warning. This sounds pretty awful frankly.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59689064

@HeartOfClass

I'm also very suspicious of these legacy reports. It's so long ago. It makes it even more scary when they appear in media and allegations assumed to be true, trial by media etc.

However when I was raped, (for a number of reasons) I did not report or discuss with people at the time, until many many years later. I really wished I had done it at the time.

My inclination, for better or worse, is to believe the people reporting based on my own personal experience.

The news reports note that there are corroborating hospital records, texts, and witnesses from the time, and that the two women do not know each other.

@stalkersaga, I read the reports carefully, as I usually due because of my own experience.

With respect to "news reports". I'm not familiar with Hollywood Reporter so can't comment on that. I put very little trust in Rolling Stone, for example:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rape_on_Campus

As with other reports, it's very possible that other reports will be made public and a pattern of behaviour will emerge (or not).

As always and forever

We believe you

Well, reputable British sources are now reporting it, and they tend to be pretty cautious on specifics given the strength of our libel laws. And one of the accusers evidently has evidence from a hospital visit at the time plus contemporaneous corroboration from a friend plus text record. Plus working actresses reporting their own previous experiences under their own name.

I would believe anyway under these circumstances - false accusations certainly happen, but they are hugely, grossly outweighed by real assaults that never get near court - but these strike me as even more credible and validated than usual.

Horrible and so disappointing.

I know this is not the worst part of the story but this has ruined the Sex and the City legacy and I have always loved watching these girls and I grew up on their stories.

The fact that apparently there were several previous instances of dodgy behaviour in the past that were ignored by the industry makes me angry: girlfriend beaten up (Berverly Johnson) and rumours him being creepy on sets (Zoe Lister-Jones).

All these stories are now coming out and he should be investigated.

Its just crap im surprised SJP etc would want to be near him.

@GrannytoaUnicorn

You know, it's threads like these that help to ruin people's lives. He hasn't been found guilty of it, but yet you're all behaving as though guilty as charged. Appalling behaviour

Yeah, these women are just after that sweet rape game aren't they so they're lying. FFS

Why wait 17 years to report someone for rape.

@OliviaBensonStabler

Why wait 17 years to report someone for rape.

Gee. I Wonder. It's not like a number of powerful men in showbiz have ever been exposed as prolific rapists, abusers and predators decades down the line because they were powerful and their victims are not OH WAIT.

Why wait 17 years to report someone for rape

Fear of not being believed for starters .

If not wanting to read the Daily Mail, there is an article on Jezebel (which may be where the DM got info from....)

I didn't even like him as Big.
And have no interest in this reboot, or the films. Sound awful.

He was always a sleaze. I met him once, long ago in my early 20s, he made me feel uncomfortable and thankful that there were lots of other people around. Didn't think much of it in the broader context until now.

@ChimChimeny When & where did I say anybody was lying please? I'm saying innocent until PROVEN guilty.

Remember when Cliff Richard's home was raided live on BBC news?!?! He was found to be innocent on all counts. Yet to this day, there are still people who will say "Oh he's a sex offender, isn't he?" whenever his name is mentioned. Because mud sticks. Forever.

Michael Jackson. Also found to be innocent of all charges. His name & reputation was utterly destroyed for the rest of his life & beyond.

I'm not saying that the US (& UK) justice systems don't get it wrong - of course they do. But to 'assume' that anyone making an accusation is automatically truthful is just as wrong as automatically assuming they're lying.
The ONLY way to stop innocent people's loves being ruined is to remain neutral until investigations are over. They should NOT have released any details of the case before he's convicted IF that's the outcome. For everyone's sake.

Also found to be innocent of all charges.

No one is "found innocent". There is no such status. Legally, someone is found to be guilty, or not guilty, beyond reasonable doubt. This is rightly a very high bar but also means that many people who did in fact do exactly what they are accused of go free.

What you're essentially saying is that any victim who isn't a) morally whiter than white - a virgin who has never ever been drunk much less broken the law and b) wasn't beaten senseless in the commission of a rape, should just stay quiet about that rape forever. Because that rape won't result in a conviction, as 99.9% do not.

Chris Noth acknowledged in his own statement that he had sex with both of his accusers, despite the fact that one of them demonstrably needed medical attention as a result. Does that sound like a consensual one-night stand to you?

You know, it's threads like these that help to ruin people's lives. He hasn't been found guilty of it, but yet you're all behaving as though guilty as charged. Appalling behaviour

You know, it's threads like these not being believed that help to ruinpeople's women's lives. He hasn't been found guilty of it, but yet you're all behaving as though there is compelling evidence that these accusations are quote probably accurate and hopefully he will be charged and found guilty as charged. Appalling behaviour from him.

Fixed it for you.

Also as an FYI, "not guilty" in law does not mean innocent. It means that the prosecution has not met the threshold for burden of proof and is not the same thing as innocent, think of "not guilty" as more like "inconclusive" rather than innocent.

Lol at Michael Jackson being 'found innocent'

He just died before everything we know about him came to light (as he'd paid everyone off when he was alive)

Jimmy Saville - also not charged in his lifetime - think he was innocent ???

There'll be more to come out about Michael Jackson once him mother and brothers die, they all currently control his estate.

I will always automatically believe the women. Not all men but far too fucking many and the conviction rate for rape is appalling bad.

I will always believe the women until the man can prove himself innocent. I give zero fucks.

Statistically the rate of false accusations is incredibly low.

I will always automatically believe the women

Me too, what would they have to gain by lying

Lily replied: "Hmm…I certainly enjoyed your company. Great conversation. Not to go into specifics over text message, but I did feel slightly used…"

That's a strange reply about an alleged rape, isn't it?

Either way, I don't believe or disbelieve. It's up to the authorities to determine facts.

I can understand that reply, @TyrannosaurusRegina. T massive power imbalance, her knocked sideways by what had happened, doubting her own experience.

Yes, she wrote that message fearful of losing her job and her company's client

@Hospedia

There'll be more to come out about Michael Jackson once him mother and brothers die, they all currently control his estate.

Nope. His estate has been administered by his lawyer and his accountant. His family, including his mother, attempted to contest his will (which divided his assets between charities, his children and his mother).

www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2012/08/17/the-scandalously-boring-truth-about-michael-jacksons-will/amp/

It's unlikely there's anything to 'come out' in Jackson's case, given the thoroughness of the investigation into him by multiple authorities including the FBI. The documentary Square One (on Amazon) gives a good overview. The exposure of Carl Beech's accusations also shows the risk of the 'no smoke without fire' approach. However, such cases are the exceptions (and may have garnered less attention had the alleged victims been female).

I always thought he was a very attractive man. I hope it’s not true but I don’t agree with just assuming guilt. The text messages don’t sound like someone who has been raped to me. However if he is guilty I hope justice is served.