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Forgotten people, assumed names, secrets and mysteries

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BigPantsOnFire · 13/12/2021 11:07

I apologise in advance for what may be a slightly odd post; I have been mulling over several connected things over the last few days and so rather than there being one specific story or topic, I'm looking to have more of a wide ranging discussion with anyone who is interested- and possibly hear similar stories.

The other day, I was poking around on one of genealogy sites, having forked out for a month's subscription. Once I had looked at my own family for a bit, I got bored and found myself wondering what I could look into next.

So I thought of Robin. Growing up, my father had a friend he had met when he was at University who used to come and stay with us. He was an oddball, and the joke in my family was that if you dared to mention his name, he would telephone within the day and come for a visit. He never gave away any details about where he lived, or if he had any sort of personal life, or extended family. There was always some sort of eccentric mission that would explain his need to visit the area. We knew his name, and we had a very brief back story (from a vaguely aristocratic line, his father was a vicar with a private 'living' on an estate somewhere in England, where he had grown up).

The last contact we had with him was around the time that my father was dying in 2009. Unfortunately, he rang repeatedly and badgered my mother- telling her that she had to take him to a specific specialist who he had researched. She ended up yelling at him and hanging up.
We never had any way of contacting him, aside from a 'mail drop' sort of situation, care of the University that he still had a link to.

Anyway. I had always been curious about him- and his name was so unusual that I thought that it would be extremely easy to find him or his aristocratic family on the genealogy site.

But there was no result for that name: or, there was, for a different spelling, but only one- for a wedding. I knew he had been married once, and all the other details fit, so I searched with the new spelling. Still nothing. Idly, I searched the Web in general- and got a hit in a Guardian article.

It turned out, he had died in a nursing home in the city I was living at the time. Not only that- the entire premise of the story was that when he had died, the home had discovered that he was living under an assumed name- a different one to the one we knew. The police were called in to establish his identity. Eventually, they were able to do so. It turned out that he was actually from Italy, and had fled with his mother in 1939. His father stayed behind and died in Auschwitz. (Before that, his mother remarried- one could assume that she thought he was already dead).

My DH remarked that he thought that a lot of people reinvented themselves in order to deal with the trauma of WW2. I think he's probably right- and of course in those days and until very recently there were far fewer ways to be found out. In a wider sense, I can't help thinking about all the people who live on only in random anecdotes (we have a couple in my family that probably date back to the 1880s that I might be the last to tell, for example). Genealogy sites really only give you the basics- and so much falls between the cracks, so how can you possibly ever really know who someone was?

I would be fascinated to hear any similar stories, if you have them- or even your random crazy family stories that will be forgotten after you.

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35andThriving · 13/12/2021 11:36

www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/lolas-story/524490/

Probably not quite what you were after but I was reading this the morning. It's the life story of somebody who lived as a slave in America. The article is written by the grandson of the man that enslaved her.

nyoman · 13/12/2021 11:47

When I looked into my father's family tree, I discovered that my grandfather, a widower with two children had emigrated to Australia in the 1920s.
Early 1930s he was back in Britain, getting married (to my GM) with no children in sight Sad
I have no idea what became of them.

SeafrontBingo · 13/12/2021 11:51

@nyoman test at AncestryDNA to see if they or any descendants go ‘looking’ for UK family.

nyoman · 13/12/2021 11:54

You mean give them my DNA? I don't think that's a good idea, personally, to give that information for free to private companies.

vampirethriller · 13/12/2021 11:56

I have an ancestor "born in the army" to unknown parents, in 1811. Always wondered what that was all about.

Coronawireless · 13/12/2021 11:57

@35andThriving

www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/lolas-story/524490/

Probably not quite what you were after but I was reading this the morning. It's the life story of somebody who lived as a slave in America. The article is written by the grandson of the man that enslaved her.

Very thought provoking.
PastMyBestBeforeDate · 13/12/2021 11:57

I've got a relative from the 1700s who changed his name several times. We have no way of knowing whether any of them were accurate or where he came from.

Coronawireless · 13/12/2021 11:58

@nyoman

When I looked into my father's family tree, I discovered that my grandfather, a widower with two children had emigrated to Australia in the 1920s. Early 1930s he was back in Britain, getting married (to my GM) with no children in sight Sad I have no idea what became of them.
Wow - so weird.
SydneyCarton · 13/12/2021 12:09

My great-grandmother was married to another man before she married my great-grandfather (there's no record of a divorce and her first husband died years after she did, so technically she was a bigamist). She had a child from the first marriage, who no one knew about and no one remembers - he wasn't brought up with my grandmother as a half-sibling, nor could I find any record of him apart from his birth certificate.

I've always wondered what happened to him - I assume it was some sort of informal adoption, as he doesn't seem to have stayed with his father either. I'm hoping the 1921 census might show something - he would have been about 4 then, and possibly still with either one of his parents

theelephantinthegroup · 13/12/2021 12:18

DH had a Great Aunt who always seemed a bit odd, and very child-like (eg. she had a collection of stuffed animals that she had named and tucked up in their own little beds each night). When I first met her she was living with her elderly husband who took good care of her and appeared to dote on her- but when he was not around she would refer to him as a 'wrong 'un'. Before making any decision (even something like changing her curtain) she would ask the rest of the extended family what her Mother would have thought/done.

After she died, DH was helping sort out her belongings and got talking to other members of the extended family about her. He learned that she had been considered 'slow' and her parents disagreed with her seeing her future DH when they were both 18. However, they agreed to them marrying just before he was called up to go to war- believing that if she was not married she might be called on to go somewhere to help with the war effort and also believing that he was unlikely to come back from the war. By the time he did return, Aunt believed that he had left her. He tried to get her back but her parents refused to allow him to see her. They spent the next 30ish years living in the same town but never seeing each-other (she would avoid him). Then when her parents were both dead, and Aunt was in her 50s, her brother told her DH that he needed to take responsibility for her- which he did.

DH found letters etc in her late husband's belongings that had been written to her parents when he returned from war and returned, as well as their responses to him. There were also letters from her brother to her DH many years later where he basically told him that no-one else wanted to look after her and that she could keep her share of the proceeds of their parent's house but could not live there.

BigPantsOnFire · 13/12/2021 12:20

@SydneyCarton I think this was quite common where women were possibly abandoned by a spouse and too poor to either find or divorce them. My 2 x great grandmother had something like 7 children before her husband disappeared and she married another man, or at least took his name. Also in that part of the family there were numerous children (including her) that never lived with their parents in any of the censuses but with a series of extended family members or as sort of 'boarders'. I think there must have been informal but paid-for arrangements made quite commonly.

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BigPantsOnFire · 13/12/2021 12:20

@35andThriving - what an incredible article. So sad. Sad

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TheYearOfSmallThings · 13/12/2021 12:23

@35andThriving thank you for posting that link - it's a fascinating story.

ToughTittyWhompus · 13/12/2021 12:23

My Great Great Grandmother had a tragic life.

Her first husband and baby died within weeks of each other. I was the one that discovered that - my Grandmother had been digging for a while and hadn’t come across that.

She tried to slit her own throat after and was sent to an asylum (late 1890s).

Then she remarried and had 3 more children.

Her husband was a police man who was murdered.

She took the boys and moved 20 miles to the nearest city where she opened a cafe.

That failed after 3 years, and they were destitute.

She begged her sister to take her boys in (10, 7 and 4). But she refused.

A few weeks later, she took the boys and jumped into the river with them.

She died, they survived as a passerby pulled them out. However she was holding the youngest (my Grandmothers father) so there was a bit of a fight between her and the passerby.

It took weeks for her body to be found and they just tossed her in an unmarked paupers grave.

The boys ended up in workhouses, which further added to their trauma.

I also found a huge newspaper article about it all, which my Grandmother hadn’t come across.

It was unbelievably fucking sad.

ToughTittyWhompus · 13/12/2021 12:24

And my Grandmothers Grandmother, was a serial bigamist with 7 children and none had their fathers on their birth certificates - we have no idea who their fathers are as it’s not guaranteed her husbands were!

CMOTDibbler · 13/12/2021 12:28

There is a fascinating book called Kiss Myself Goodbye - the many lives of Aunt Munca where the author goes on a quest to find out the truth about his aunt, and essentially everything in her life was a lie and she'd made up a huge amount all through it.

AmandaHugenkiss · 13/12/2021 12:34

My Grandmother discovered that her Grandfather had a family in Liverpool (hers) and a family in New York, and quite possibly a family back in Ireland also when she went digging in the genealogy sites. I think when it was easier to get away with it, it was much more common.

That knowledge will die with me in our family, as I have no children and no desire to start digging up the past and upsetting people.

theelephantinthegroup · 13/12/2021 12:34

@SydneyCarton

My great-grandmother was married to another man before she married my great-grandfather (there's no record of a divorce and her first husband died years after she did, so technically she was a bigamist). She had a child from the first marriage, who no one knew about and no one remembers - he wasn't brought up with my grandmother as a half-sibling, nor could I find any record of him apart from his birth certificate.

I've always wondered what happened to him - I assume it was some sort of informal adoption, as he doesn't seem to have stayed with his father either. I'm hoping the 1921 census might show something - he would have been about 4 then, and possibly still with either one of his parents

I think this may have been relatively common. My great-grandmother had 2 children (one my grandmother) by her DH but took a second partner when they were both small and her DH was at war. He did return and lived for quite a while- but by all accounts was very unwell. Her new partner would not take on another man's children so they went to live with other relatives (an aunt and an older cousin who were both married but could not have children). The children were never formally adopted but started to use the name of their new 'Dad'. My Great-grandmother never re-married but also just started to use her new partner's name and refer to him as her husband.
Corbally · 13/12/2021 12:34

Very common before improved record-keeping and communications made it more difficult to reinvent yourself in a new place. We have several cases of men in my family in the late 19th and early 20thc who emigrated to the US for work, leaving their wife and children behind, to be brought over when they'd established themselves -- never to be heard of again. Until DNA/genealogy stuff has meant that my family has had a succession of Americans making contact, having discovered that their great-grandfathers had a previous family in their home country.

More recently, someone DH did some work with had been adopted from a mother and baby home by rich, but abusive parents, inherited a lot of money on their deaths but lost it in stupid investments and a series of really ill-considered marriages, and ended up in huge debt and in what sounds like potentially dangerous trouble with some unpleasant people we were told he'd died in India in a mysterious retreat community, and had requested that his ashes be thrown into the Ganges. We think it's quite likely he faked his own death to get away from his creditors and is living under a new identity.

Hoppinggreen · 13/12/2021 12:44

My Mum was told that her real father had been killed by a mine in Plymouth harbour during the war and then later my Grandma had met and married her step dad.
In fact her real father had legged it when he found out she was pg but we never knew if she knew he had done a runner and went along with the story or whether she actually thought he was dead. My real grandfather already had 2 DC when he knocked up my grandma and he abandoned them as well.
My mum did some digging and found out all this after my Grandparents died as they always refused to discuss it. Probably because they had in fact been engaged before my (step) Grandad went away to fight so my Mum was the result of an affair as well.

AlfonsoTheUnrepentant · 13/12/2021 12:58

This is not as exotic as some stories but one that has stayed with me.

Years ago, I had a friend who was an only child. His father had died when he was in his early teens and his mother died when he was at university. His only relative was an aunt with whom he did not get on.

He found out that he was illegitimate when he obtained his birth certificate to get a passport. It turns out that his mother had been married before and had three sons before she left her husband and children for my friend's father.

I asked my friend if he had any desire to look up his half-brothers but he was adamant that he had no desire to do so.

I long ago lost touch with my friend and I hope that, wherever he is, he is happy and settled.

35andThriving · 13/12/2021 12:59

TheYearOfSmallThings, You're welcome. It is a very sad yet interesting story.

SydneyCarton · 13/12/2021 13:01

@BigPantsOnFire Yes - I'm not sure who left who in her first marriage, but it would have been hard to make a living as a single mother with a small child. On her own she could probably have passed herself off as single or widowed (this is just after WW1 so plenty of unattached women making their own way in the world). Divorce would have been financially out of reach and of course no requirement to pay any maintenance.

@theelephantinthegroup My mother says her grandfather would never have taken on another man's child either. What I'm not clear on is whether he knew about her little boy and ultimately said "It's him or me", which is awful. He definitely knew she had been married before, but I don't know if he knew she wasn't widowed or divorced, or whether she had a child.

@CMOTDibbler I'm halfway through Kiss Myself Goodbye - it's fascinating!

Battytwatty · 13/12/2021 13:02

@35andThriving

Thank you for the link. I’ve just read it. What an interesting read. So sad. Beautifully written

BonnyEm · 13/12/2021 13:14

I knew someone who came from a poor family in Ireland. Age 15 he signed up for the army with his brothers identification.
He lived the rest of his life under his brothers name and all info, used his d.o.b. etc.
I never knew any of this until he died. Had no idea the name we had always called him wasn't even him.