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Integrating (lovely but exhausting) widowed MIL into my family events/holidays

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phoebemcpeepee · 03/12/2021 15:58

My FIL passed away a few months ago and MIL is very lonely. She is spending Christmas with us and it's made me realised that as she will be staying with us a lot more often (she lives a 4 hour train journey away so will stay for long weekends/a week) and there are times we would normal be seeing my family for Sunday lunch etc that she will be with us & I'm not sure how/if it's fair to just expect my family to accommodate her.
Also, my parents own a house in Devon so family get-togethers happen most main holidays and now MIL is on her own, it seems obvious to bring her but I'm just not sureConfused. None of my siblings or parents would say no and obviously feel bad she's on her own, BUT I suspect given the choice wouldn't have her there. This partly because they don't know her as well, but also she is quite draining as she talks non-stop and becomes very Hyacinth Bucket around my family (very difficult levels of wealth/class if there is such a thing anymore) and it's really awkward for everyone so I (selfishly) wouldn't always want her there.

How to handle it? Accept she's very much part of my immediate family now and apologise/explain in advance and give everyone an 'out' or keep her at arms length as far as my family are concerned even if it means less lunches & holidays for my DC. If it makes any difference, if she doesn't come away with us she won't get a holiday so do always feel bad about the family weeks we spend together with DC other grandparents knowing she'd love to go away with us.

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Mischance · 03/12/2021 17:58

I'm going to approach this from the other side.

My OH died on Feb 1st last year and within a few weeks we were in lockdown, so I could not see friends or family for a very long time, just at the moment when I needed them all.

I live on my own now which - I cannot pretend - I hate. But over and above that huge adjustment I have become a spare part within the family. Now - please do not misunderstand me - my AC are the kindest and most thoughtful people you could possibly imagine and I am very proud to be able to say that. My GC are a total delight and a joy.

But I am not at the centre of family life any more (and would not expect to be) - for instance Christmas was always with us - all the planning and cooking - I loved welcoming everyone and creating a memorable time for them. That has changed over the last few years - and quite rightly. I do not expect to continue that; I truly understand that; I love it that my DC have been creating their own different memories and family Christmas rituals.

I know they have their own lives to lead and I take great joy in that. My life is full with lots of interests and, I hope, activities that have some use to people. I am not bored. And my family know this - I make sure that they know my life is full, so that they do not feel obliged to take responsibility for my happiness. I am a grown woman and take responsibility for my own life.

But it is a massive shift in role - one that is right and proper, but it is a huge adjustment on top of the grief of bereavement - so much to deal with in one fell swoop.

I do not want to be your MIL - to be that person who has to be added to the list of responsibilities. But I am, whether I like it or not.

I understand your dilemma, but I also know that the last thing your MIL wants to be is the source of a dilemma. As indeed neither do I.

I feel very sad indeed - but no-one sees this, because it would load them with a responsibility to try and do something about it.

I can only say that I understand the situation you are in and hope that you can find some way of resolving this. And also say that this is a situation that maybe I should have foreseen and prepared for; maybe we all should.

phoebemcpeepee · 03/12/2021 18:09

@Mischance sorry for your loss and thank you for giving me another perspective. Definitely food for thought (re MIL and personally)

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Tickledtrout · 03/12/2021 18:20

Don't assume you have to invite her during school holidays, or for all of a half term break. She can presumably occupy herself whilst you're at work and see you in the evenings. Or she visits midweek to midweek. And you get at least part of the school holiday to yourselves.
Holidays in Devon? No, I wouldn't. By all means holiday a week close to her and take her out with you, but really, you need holidays too
What does your DH want?

7eleven · 03/12/2021 18:31

I feel sad that people seem to be discussing this woman as an inconvenient burden. OP - she gave birth to your husband and has recently had one of the biggest upheavals in her life and everyone is going you little tips on how to give her as little love as you can get away with.

Perhaps spend a moment to think about how you’d like your children to treat you in 40 odd years time. One day you all will be the ‘burden’. Remember that.

CPL593H · 03/12/2021 19:03

@Mischance, as someone who has been widowed, Flowers You sound wonderful and I wish you a good Christmas, whatever form it takes.

Mischance · 03/12/2021 19:14

That is very kind CPL593H and I thank you for your good wishes.

Clymene · 03/12/2021 19:15

@7eleven

I feel sad that people seem to be discussing this woman as an inconvenient burden. OP - she gave birth to your husband and has recently had one of the biggest upheavals in her life and everyone is going you little tips on how to give her as little love as you can get away with.

Perhaps spend a moment to think about how you’d like your children to treat you in 40 odd years time. One day you all will be the ‘burden’. Remember that.

Oh don't be so bloody melodramatic.

The OP is managing her MIL's expectations. Bluntly, she isn't the OP's family's problem. They are not obliged to welcome her into the bosom of their family because she's their son in law's mother.

It's absolutely right that @phoebemcpeepee puts boundaries in place now.

phoebemcpeepee · 03/12/2021 19:33

@7eleven she isn't a burden to us and we welcome her as a close family member however she is NOT my parents/siblings close family and it's more how they will feel than us (& how it will change the dynamic which I guess is us to a degree) . And as for not wanting her to stay for long periods, I don't want anyone to stay for long periods

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CrimbleCrumble1 · 03/12/2021 19:41

Could your DH visit her more and they do nice activities in her home town?

phoebemcpeepee · 03/12/2021 19:48

Yes he does go down of his own occasionally and has taken the Dc which I will encourage, it's more about how to handle holidays (that we don't want to give up or we won't go away) and my family engagements when she's with us for week+-long stays. She staying 10 days this Christmas hence already recognising potential issues!

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Clymene · 03/12/2021 19:58

I honestly think you're going to have to make very clear boundaries right now.

So 'mum - we'd love you to come and stay with us for X days. But just so you know, we're going to Phoebe's parents for lunch next Sunday so won't be around for most of the day.'

Your husband is going to have to put on his big boy pants.

As for holidays, I think you're just going to have to plan other things with her.

7eleven · 03/12/2021 19:58

I think the fact you refer to her as a ‘problem’ proves very much that I’m not being ‘bloody dramatic’, don’t you?

7eleven · 03/12/2021 19:59

That was for @Clymene

DiveDeeper7Seaside · 03/12/2021 20:03

Sorry for the loss of your FIL

It is still early days

I would encourage MIL to reconnect with local friends & perhaps find a friend or group to go on holiday with

Mix & match with time spent with your family & your wider family

Ref comment about " not doing holidays"
I'm wondering if your MIL is the type of person who will think, she wished she had gone to Antarctica or somewhere else off the beaten track & takes herself off on an adventure. Or perhaps somewhere closer, a cruise ?

Clymene · 03/12/2021 20:07

@7eleven

I think the fact you refer to her as a ‘problem’ proves very much that I’m not being ‘bloody dramatic’, don’t you?
No, it really doesn't. It proves very much that you have rose-tinted glasses.

It's sad that she has lost her husband. But the OP's family are not her family and it is not their job to solve her loneliness. (Is job better than problem?)

Andylion · 03/12/2021 20:19

has a network of friends and her own family nearby

How close is she to these family members?
You said that if you didn’t take her with you on holiday that she she wouldn’t get a holiday. Could she not go with those friends and family?

aurynne · 03/12/2021 20:31

I am surprised your DH almost doesn't figure in this issue. It's his mother, surely he is the person with the higher responsibility to care for and help her mother in her time of need, and make her feel part of his family as she righteously is?

If this was your mother you were talking about, and your father had recently died, how would the situation change OP? How would you feel if your DH had started a thread exactly as yours, describing your mother as a "problem" in identical terms as you're describing his?

Catsstillrock · 03/12/2021 20:57

It’s fine to have boundaries OP.

Mil and Fil are both still with us but a plane ride away. They can be demanding and controlling. Over time I’ve come to figure out what boundaries work for us (and me) and have educated DH to grasp that ‘active management’ is the way forward.

Eg. I have a five night maximum of visits either way. Ideally I agree shorter stays of 3ish nights would be better but to make the journey worth it, 5 is manageable.
The few times we’ve done longer tempers fray and there’s a row.

10 night over Xmas sound too long to me, but a kind thing to do the first year she’s on her own. It will probably feel too long and I’d make sure I found and took opportunités to discuss that with her and DH and start to put in place that next time it will be shorter. Once you’ve found that natural limit, stick to it.

Eg PIL don’t come for all of half term. They’ll arrive on a Wednesday and leave the Monday the kids go back to school.

We also now sometimes book them a small apartment just around the corner from our home for some
Or all of the visit. Our place isn’t huge and though they come here for breakfast and leave we’ll after dinner it helps them and us to have privacy and space at the beginning and end of the day.

I’d also rethink she has to only or always come in the school holidays. Else that may become her expectation every school holiday. Having her during term time is a way to make her visits less high impact. And she might well enjoy the white time during the day while you’re all our at work / school (unless you don’t work or work from home!).

Christmas id establish a rota similar to whatever you had before. Is your DH and only child? If so I’d probably accept she’ll always be with us, but do one year hosting her (or visiting her) and one year with your family taking her along. Again, I’d keep that short, maybe sending her home with your DH on 26th or 27th while you stay on with your family for a couple more days etc.

Kind but firm. Push back if she over steps.

PiL insisted on visiting the first school and bank holiday after I’d returned to work following Dc2 (I’d asked for later. It they had other holidays booked). I said ok, I’d it had to be then, could they please arrive in time to help one day we had a childcare issue, and leave in time
To give us one or two days of family time before work & school resumed. They did neither. I was very pissed off and avoided them during their stay. So much so they commented to DH and I reminded him why. They can be selfish and impose and make my life harder if they want but then I’ve not got it in me to be entertaining them.

It hasn’t happened again.

phoebemcpeepee · 03/12/2021 21:05

@aurynne

I am surprised your DH almost doesn't figure in this issue. It's his mother, surely he is the person with the higher responsibility to care for and help her mother in her time of need, and make her feel part of his family as she righteously is?

If this was your mother you were talking about, and your father had recently died, how would the situation change OP? How would you feel if your DH had started a thread exactly as yours, describing your mother as a "problem" in identical terms as you're describing his?

Pretty sure I've not actually use the word 'problem' anywhere Hmm
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TheOccupier · 04/12/2021 07:54

@Just10moreminutesplease

What if it was your own mother? Would you see her lonely or include her in events.

I think, that providing there is no backstory of awful behaviour, you include her as much as possible. It’s the right thing to do.

I agree. How sad to see so many people on this thread wanting to exclude a bereaved person from family events. Model kindness (the old-fashioned sort) and inclusivity to your DCs. One day you'll be glad you did.
rookiemere · 04/12/2021 08:01

@TheOccupier easy in theory but these are OPs family events, not MILs. What if OPs DPs don't want to welcome her to all events that they are paying for and hosting due to her being a bit judgemental and hard work ? What if some of the other siblings stop going as they find her exhausting? What if MIL now feels entitled to go to everything going forward?

HelloDulling · 04/12/2021 08:03

In the ten days over Christmas, you can do things with your family yourself, or just with your DC, your DH can spend some time with his mother.

I’m not sure why her coming away with your family during the Easter/Summer holidays would even be a suggestion.

In previous years, did your in laws spend Christmas at home just the two of them? Or did you go there?

BurnedToast · 04/12/2021 08:23

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying you spend every or most holidays with your family in their house in Devon? So, given your ILs are 4 hours away when were they ever seen? It seems like your family have had a disproportionate amount of your time over the years. Maybe it's time to just correct that a bit? You don't have to see your family every holiday.

If you think MIL is going to change the dynamic because of different wealth/class Confused(whatever that means, but presumably your free holidays are courtesy of your family so they are the wealthy ones) then don't take her. I'm sure she wouldn't want to feel like a spare part that doesn't fit in. Strange how her son seems to be considered acceptable though isn't it.

TheOccupier · 04/12/2021 08:51

[quote rookiemere]@TheOccupier easy in theory but these are OPs family events, not MILs. What if OPs DPs don't want to welcome her to all events that they are paying for and hosting due to her being a bit judgemental and hard work ? What if some of the other siblings stop going as they find her exhausting? What if MIL now feels entitled to go to everything going forward? [/quote]
When you marry someone and have children with them, you are joining your family to theirs. I would hope that OP's large and materially privileged family can find room for her children's grandmother.