Emma Tustin is a murderer

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Finally. We can say it.

I've just utterly broken down for Arthur.

@ilovepixie

Why didn't the 'worried' extended family members help, or remove him from them.

Why don’t people kidnap a child?

Is that a serious question?

You don’t know why a member of the public can’t just take it upon themselves to remove a child from the care of their parent?

His DMum is in prison for manslaughter, and it seems a shaky conviction since she was only found guilty on appeal. And had argued self defence victim of domestic abuse.

It's not uncommon for abuse victims to go from one abuser to another.

Am I the only person who wonders if she was abused by the Dad too?

I actually feel heart sorry for her.
She'll blame herself for not being there for her boy and to hear how much her precious baby stuffed at the hands of those evil gets.

Sleep tight wee man, I'm sorry the system let you down,

I'd say that's highly likely. If only she had decided to stay single and focus on Arthur, things could have been so very different.

Yip but you can't blame her for trying to get on with her life. Just a pity she was charmed by another abuser.

I think Arthur's life and death deserves a full enquiry from beginning to end.
SW involvement, his mum being imprisoned, lockdown all off it.

I can't get over that a social worker went out to see him and dismissed grandmother's concerns even though she had sent in a photo of his injuries. Bloody incompetent and should be sacked. Poor poor Arthur. At school he is telling teacher his Dad wants to kill him. A massive red flag but yet again nothing done. Reporting to SS who do nothing is not enough. School should have tried harder for Arthur. Should have gone out to see him over lockdown not be fobbed off over phone. Very poor safeguarding.

The problem is she will be out in a few years. Bring back hanging for scum like this.

@Lockdownbear

His DMum is in prison for manslaughter, and it seems a shaky conviction since she was only found guilty on appeal. And had argued self defence victim of domestic abuse.

It's not uncommon for abuse victims to go from one abuser to another.

Am I the only person who wonders if she was abused by the Dad too?

I actually feel heart sorry for her.
She'll blame herself for not being there for her boy and to hear how much her precious baby stuffed at the hands of those evil gets.

Sleep tight wee man, I'm sorry the system let you down,

I don't feel remotely sorry for her , neither did I think her comment was moving .Arthur was already involved with SS from her .She was into drugs and alcohol - does she sound like a good mother ? She stabbed someone to death in a drunken rage - yeah great example of motherhood .She talks in a detached manner about Arthur , she doesn't say she's heart broken because she wasn't there for him .

@ilovepixie

Why didn't the 'worried' extended family members help, or remove him from them.

I really understand where you're coming from .If I thought a relative was in danger of being killed I'd risk bundling them into a car and driving off to a place of safety , especially a vulnerable child .So what if you risked being arrested ? You'd be bloody desperate in a situation like that and wouldn't care about the consequences to yourself .

My heart is breaking.
I’m a student vet and I won’t share a lot of details but we recently had some teaching on how to spot injuries that aren’t accidental. We weren’t allowed to have any copies of material obviously but I think lots of it will be in my brain forever.

The teaching was based around how animal abuse often leads to child abuse and how we, as vets, can make a difference. Some of the most high profile cases that have been in the media involved animal abuse and sometimes the animals were removed but the children weren’t as lucky.

I hope I never encounter something like this during my career but if I do I will do my absolute best to prevent it continuing. I feel sickened at what happened to that poor baby.

Arthur you deserved so much much, thousands of people have love for you now, thousands would have loved you then if given a chance

@RainySnows99

I know everyone would like to think that (including myself) but wasn't it in lockdown?
How would they have got the child to a place of safety? Wasn't there police everywhere? I'm not in the UK but we had police everywhere stopping cars asking where they were going....
were there any hotels open or anywhere that they could even have stayed?
If they brought him to their house the police had already showed that they couldn't be trusted to act so they would have expected the police to come and take Arthur back.

Then they would be worried that Arthur would be punished some more.
I doubt it was the fear of being arrested that they were worried about.

I can't stop thinking that he's still not at rest. That even tonight , over a year since his death, he is lying alone in a cold, dark mortuary. That his family cant get over their differences and agree where he can be buried is shameful. He was right - even now no one loves him enough to get over their hostility to one another and agree on his resting place. He at least deserves that. The court should give the families a deadline or something - such arguments can last a lifetime. He shouldn't have to remain unburied due to their failings/stubbornness - the poor little boy has suffered enough.

Just reading some more about this now.
Why on earth did the police let Tustin and Hughes travel in a police van together after the first interview? Does anyone know?
That doesn't seem like the right procedure at all.

Also from reading the closing statements it seems that Hughes just had a better barrister than Tustin.
Both of them are evil. Both of them are equally to blame. I hope they both suffer every single day in jail.

@Mogs43
It's heartbreaking. The poor sweet boy. I can't stop thinking about him

I have just read the comments from pp (coatofsomanycolours) and wanted to endorse them and thank her for all that she and DH are doing.
I , like her, am concerned that good social workers get ground down and we are left in many cases with those who are happy to just tick boxes/follow processes regardless of whether they work in practice or not/ emotionally detach / can be satisfied by an 'immaculate' house as those in Arthurs case seem to have been .

We know there are evil people and they should, of course be punished and condemned. But we also have systems in place that should prevent abuse from going this far. If social services aren't looking out for a child whose mother has just murdered his step father and is now living in a household with a woman who has had two of her own biological children taken from her then who on earth are they protecting? There can't be many worse cases that are more deserving of their attention??

Amongst other concerns , I worry that the oversight of social services isn't sufficient or independent enough. Who will consider what happened in this case? If it is the Safeguarding Board, as I suspect , in my experience they are filled with social workers, local authority employees and ex employees. That is why we keep getting repeats - people aren't held accountable enough. The Director of Childrens services in Solihull was earning almost as much as the Prime Minister - if press articles are right she has subsequently retired. If this case goes like others , no one will be held accountable for any failings that may have occurred. It seems clear he was let down, most obviously but family but also social services..

Cases like this should be reviewed by separate panels made up of independent people/some sort of independent Inquiry and local government officials should not be able to retire without being held accountable for what went wrong during their time. What is the point of social services if things like this can happen and there are no consequences? Its so awful what happened to him - we shouldn't forget..

[quote user1481840227]@Mogs43
It's heartbreaking. The poor sweet boy. I can't stop thinking about him[/quote]
Me too - I cant sleep for thinking about him. It's horrific. I know the two individuals are to blame but he was let down by others as well.

That over a year later he is still not buried and his little body is lying alone in a cold, dark mortuary just breaks my heart.

I just sobbed. I heard his little cries of "No one loves me" and "No one will feed me" and it broke my heart. Those poor jury people. I can only hope that these "parents" will be treated properly and justly when they get to their respective prisons. That poor little man

@Mogs43
I don't understand how there has been no arrangement yet. Surely it is the mother who gets to choose where her son is buried as although she is imprisoned she surely still has some parental rights?
I am not in the UK though so I am unsure how it works.

If social services aren't looking out for a child whose mother has just murdered his step father and is now living in a household with a woman who has had two of her own biological children taken from her then who on earth are they protecting? There can't be many worse cases that are more deserving of their attention??

@Mogs43
Completely agree. How on earth could a case be shut so quickly when social services have already been involved?

I sincerely hope that Tustins children are being supported with therapy and will continue to be supported if they need it as they come to terms with all of this now and as they grow up. I hope that they're doing ok.

@Bluntness100

I have to be honest, I sincerely hope both these people are horrifically tortured in prison every single day for the rest of their lives.

Every single day I want someone to feed them salt, starve them, make them stand for hours on end, beat them, abuse them, mock them, make them sleep on the cold floor, video them and let’s us all see. Every single day I want the other prisoners to do that to them, for the rest of their lives.

Just like they did every single day to that little boy. And I want them to live till a ripe old age in prison, taking that daily torture they inflicted, and then die a cold horrible lonely death as people video them and mock them like that little boy died.

It’s the only justice.

Agree entirely.

The hairdresser and her partner were there when Hughes was pressure pointing Arthur and he was screaming in pain. They gave evidence about this at the trial. In their own words he was giant, malnourished and weak but they allowed him to be tortured in their presence. Vile, evil scumbags the lot of them. Surely there is a law whereby they can be prosecuted for allowing a boy to be tortured in their home.

This is just… horrific.

Something has to change after this.

@Bluntness100

Apparently her legal team are requesting the prison service does more to protect her as she’s threatened daily and feels overwhelmed.

Overwhelmed! You couldn’t fucking make it up. She made sure no one was protecting that little boy. Yet she’s the balls to want protecting herself.

The prison service needs to let her rot.

I 💯 agree. The evil of this woman knows no bounds. I hope she ends up in the same prison as Joanna Dennehy who hates child killers.

@Malibuismysecrethome

The hairdresser and her partner were there when Hughes was pressure pointing Arthur and he was screaming in pain. They gave evidence about this at the trial. In their own words he was giant, malnourished and weak but they allowed him to be tortured in their presence. Vile, evil scumbags the lot of them. Surely there is a law whereby they can be prosecuted for allowing a boy to be tortured in their home.

My friend set up a FB group about poor little Arthur. A couple of days in this rude man appeared, complaining that we had stated the hairdresser and husband didn't do enough. Apparently we were being unfair. I pointed out to him that the only victim here was Arthur. I think he may have been the hairdressers husband 🤬

[quote user1481840227]@Mogs43
I don't understand how there has been no arrangement yet. Surely it is the mother who gets to choose where her son is buried as although she is imprisoned she surely still has some parental rights?
I am not in the UK though so I am unsure how it works.[/quote]
IF media reports are to be believed - his 'mothers' family want him buried in one place and the 'fathers' family want him buried in another. I imagine the father was given parental rights when his biological mother went to prison and since his death it may be unclear which of his grandparents or family member is now next of kin?

So over a year later he still hasn't been buried. The families were interviewed saying it may have to be decided by a court - which all takes time. I imagine they are all angry/ distraught and tensions between them very high - but hopefully they can reach a timely resolution. For his sake?

Ultimately it just feels so wrong /is horrific that over a year after he experienced such an awful death he still hasn't been buried and is alone in a mortuary. Surely someone needs to put him first for once?? He doesn't seem to have had any peace in life they should try to put aside their own anger etc to let him have peace in death?

@Naughtynovembertree

Andrea

How would funding improved the visit already made to supposedly "investigate", Arthur bruise? How would extra money have made them examin him properly??

Funding could provide better training, more time per child, a place where a child could be examined by a Dr who was also trained.

Personally I think social work should be much better funded and it should recruit older people, or at least people with more real life experience.

There should be better pay and there should also be counselling for SWs.

We only hear about the failures. And yes one child left in an unsafe environment is one too many, let alone a child being killed, but how many children were saved by SS?