Claims of Hull grooming gang

[julieca]

Has anyone seen this article in SKY about a Hull grooming gang? It is heartbreaking.

news.sky.com/story/i-was-raped-by-150-men-young-women-claim-grooming-gang-at-large-in-hull-12469237?

@FourTeaFallOut I think this should go to court. But CPS look at the likelihood of a successful prosecution before taking a case to court. If they think a jury won't convict, they won't take it to court.

And truthfully, if the public really did care about these girls they would make sure the care system is properly funded and run. Instead, it is a disgrace. I worked as an untrained and unqualified care worker in a children's home for a month. I left because I recognised how dangerous the set-up was, how out of my depth I was, and how poorly those kids were being cared for. The public doesn't really give a shit. So this will keep happening.

This is happening all over the country. The police know, the government knows, social services know.

Quite frankly they dont give a crap. I am from one of the towns it initially came out of but it happens everywhere and it is still happening. They know they can get away with it so will not stop.

Its gruesome what is happening to these young girls. I mean imagine being 8 or 9 years old and being raped and beaten by multiple men.

I actually cant get my head around why this is again being brushed under the carpet.

@Brighteyedtriangle It is fucking horrific. But the truth is the public don't really care - not really. Otherwise, they would be in a proper uproar about this. They would be contacting their MP, voting out MPs who don't tackle this, there would be properly organised campaigns.
I mean look at the backlash over a proposed increase to inheritance tax a few years back. You would have thought the world was falling apart.
People will post a few sad things on social media, and then get on with their day. The men who do this know that the public doesn't really care.

Youre right. The areas they target here were from the poorest part of the town. Not necessarily single parent households but mostly girls that had problems at home.
The parents had absolutely no chance once the girls were in that world if they even cared to.

It honestly makes me sick. I have a young girl and lots of neices and its scary to think in several years if they get into the wrong crowd they could walk into this.

There was lots of uproar but unfortunately tommy robinson getting involved and his reputation overshadowed it.

Let's face it, most people don't want to talk about it because they believe it's a sure fire way to wind up being called a racist.

@Brighteyedtriangle yep the racists love talking about Rotherham but ignore grooming gangs with majority white men. Because they don't really care about these girls either.
I mean even on MN there isn't that much talk about this.

Several years ago there was an article (maybe it was in the Grauniad when they still published good investigative stuff) where it was said that this sort of abuse takes place in every town in the UK. I think sadly that is true.

Oh, that’s made me shiver. What a dark undercurrent to such a wonderful city (although it’s looking like a nationwide problem). The police just seem utterly useless, almost like they don’t know where to begin with this.

How did that girl have so many logs with the school’s pastoral and still be let down so badly? Our care system needs a complete overhaul also. It’s utterly shameful.

[quote julieca]@Brighteyedtriangle yep the racists love talking about Rotherham but ignore grooming gangs with majority white men. Because they don't really care about these girls either.
I mean even on MN there isn't that much talk about this.[/quote]
Do you mean the paedophile rings of majority white men?

Grooming gangs have different modus operandi than the paedophile rings.

I dont agree
I live in a town somewhat notorious for a similar thing and I really don’t think race is a factor. The Police arrest non white people for various crimes all the time here. I think it’s more about the girls themselves.
They often come from difficult backgrounds and there is a feeling in some quarters that they are complicit in some way. If one of the girls came from a nice Mc family I think the Police and other authorities would be more interested
The Social worker (Sarah??) who exposed the grooming in Rochdale said the same. It’s more that the girls are disposable than the men are Asian

If it had no racial element why was their skin colour mentioned at all in those text messages? I completely agree with you that there’s also a class element to this, these things often go hand in hand. The CPS has to feel there is a good chance they can successfully win the case for them to spend the money to try it. It’s well known that many rape cases never make it to trial. Often the women/girls are painted in a negative light to give the illusion of somehow deserving their treatment or being complicit. I also believe however that there’s a further component of not wanting to be seen to be targeting minority groups and knowing it’s a sensitive situation. I’m sure this was actually admitted to during the Rochdale case.

@pinknikes what is the difference?

This isn't news. It was the same 30 years ago when I was living in East lancs. The lads would say white bitch, slag etc etc, we'd tell the teacher. The teacher's reply? Can't do anything, they'll say it's racist. It stems from this utter lack of respect for women. Short step to organised rape. Note the girls involved in these crimes are never of Asian descent. It's a racially motivated crime.

If the people in power, in education, the police, social services are scared, what chance to these young women have?

Because you see, it's all well and good in the House of Commons dismissing this and saying communities like this don't exist - but once you're in those deprived ex mill towns it's like a different world.

@immersivereader your teacher was wrong.
There were Asian girls raped in Rotherham.

They often come from difficult backgrounds and there is a feeling in some quarters that they are complicit in some way.

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In some ways, they could be deemed to have been complicit. But if they're under 16, the law is the law. It's grooming. Whether complicity is involved or not. It's the adults doing the grooming who are at fault, not the girls. Please do not victim blame these young women. I think it's fair to say they have been through enough, without laying the blame on them.

Sorry, the teacher didn't say that, that was me. The teachers just never did anything.

Fair enough if an Asian girl was raped... But I'd wager that the majority of these children are white.

That is true, they are victims. But the feeling they are complicit does pervade services. I have read the Rotherham report and they identify that as the biggest issue.

@immersivereader I do think a lot of schools talk misogyny far less seriously than other issues.

The CPS need massive reform as do the police I can't see how much more evidence they need.
And to release the statement they did was really badly worded, it read to me like the victims weren't to be believed a bit like "nothing to see here folks"

I can't imagine reading that after going through the hell that they have.

The police are completely ineffective.
There is no point in them.

There is definitely little point in the Humberside police force. I currently live in Hull and I'm sickened but at the same time I'm not surprised. I thought there was a racial element to this too - I suspect the coppers round here are terrified of any allegations after the death of Christopher Alder. He was a black man who died in police custody in Hull and his name should never be forgotten.

I can't help but feel as if the police are prejudiced towards the women themselves too. Hull is horrendously deprived, education standards are piss poor, high teenage pregnancy rates etc. It wouldn't surprise me if these women have been written off as 'just another stupid slapper'. Had these women been from Beverley or similar, I'm willing to bet this would have been taken a lot more seriously.

@RobertaFirmino

There is definitely little point in the Humberside police force. I currently live in Hull and I'm sickened but at the same time I'm not surprised. I thought there was a racial element to this too - I suspect the coppers round here are terrified of any allegations after the death of Christopher Alder. He was a black man who died in police custody in Hull and his name should never be forgotten.

I can't help but feel as if the police are prejudiced towards the women themselves too. Hull is horrendously deprived, education standards are piss poor, high teenage pregnancy rates etc. It wouldn't surprise me if these women have been written off as 'just another stupid slapper'. Had these women been from Beverley or similar, I'm willing to bet this would have been taken a lot more seriously.

Absolutely. The justice system is largely ineffective against rapists as it is.

Throw in class prejudice and a desperate fear of being accused of systematic racism and what do you allow to manifest unchecked in every diverse town in England.

FreeBritnee I am not saying there is no racial element to the crimes but I don’t believe that there is a racial element to the lack of police action
In my town several black and/or Asian criminals have been shot by the Police so I don’t think they have an issue arresting them for any alleged crimes.
A family member was actually groomed by people like this. She has SN and presents in a certain way that might suggest she is one of those who is “asking for it”. However when The Police felt the full force of her MC family and visited her large detached house in a nice area believe me there was a definite shift in attitude and action was taken.
These girls don’t usually have someone to advocate for them and they are very easy to ignore

@immersivereader

Sorry, the teacher didn't say that, that was me. The teachers just never did anything.

Fair enough if an Asian girl was raped... But I'd wager that the majority of these children are white.

Yes, the majority of the victims are white, because more white than Asian girls were on the streets. The Asian girls were probably abused in the home by these perverts. And allegations the police are turning a blind eye because of race? The police are racist as fuck. The police don't give a damn because they don't see women as important. The CPS don't give a damn because they see the girls as unreliable witnesses.

I don't actually get the asking for it mentality I don't understand the class element either, in the fact that the CPS think the jury won't empathise with them because of their class.
I think they are underestimating people's understanding, I think many people can see children for children, especially now.
Also I think people are more understanding in how the grooming process works.
(I understand people didn't always understand it though and could be swayed to believe the lies)

I think CPS are just useless and not hungry to stop this from happening.
There's a lack of care here, also in the police service to put the statement they did put out was disrespectful and totally uncaring towards the victims.

It has to get to a certain point before these poor girls will even complain in most cases.
Our family member had a “boyfriend who loved her” as far as she was concerned and it only came to light when the man asked her to get into a car with him and a group of his friends and someone who knew her Dad Was passing realised something was wrong and wouldnt let her. This person alerted her family and it all came out. She still insisted that he was her boyfriend and was in touch until The Police warned him off and they realised there were easier targets. She thought the man was 16 and Italian, he had bought her presents and loved her and they were going to live together.
It’s very hard to prosecute when the victims aren’t ready or are unable to admit what’s actually happening

@FourTeaFallOut

And again and again and again. What the fuck are the police good for if they can't or won't save girls from this horror story repeated up and down the country? They are just so young and vulnerable.

The police have never cared about protecting girls from abuse. Have you looked at prosecution rates for sex crimes? It’s terrifyingly low.

Girls are female. Most people, including other females sadly, do not see females as important. They do tend to see us as objects for males sexual pleasure, and see males as entitled to sex.

And this is the result.