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How can I get my son into school

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Xmasss · 12/11/2021 08:05

There's alot going on with my son at the moment he's 14. One of the battles is he won't go to school. I have had letters about his attendance and legal action. I keep getting told that there will be a meeting and then court where I would get into trouble. But no one seems to be giving advice on (how) I can get him back. I can't physically touch him. I can't March him to school he's much stronger than me. He admits theres no actual reason for him not to be at school.

There are some other stuff going on. He keeps trying to put himself in care. Again he admits there's no safe garding issues nothing has happened to him at home. He just tells them he wants to go on care because hes angry.

We are trying to put some things I'm place at school there is counselling but he's not going to that as he's refusing school.

Camhs have rejected him but gave other places we could try. Which I have done referrals for and waiting to hear back. I have a someone calling me today to make an assessment. They are set up for me and him to get help together and help us both as he's aggressive towards me and I have admitted that I'm scared if him.

There are other things I have suggested to him like activities spending time together there was a youth project that works with children not attending school. He's refused them all.

A support worker from social services is going to be working with us from next week

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Porfre · 12/11/2021 14:11

It's probably not going to be popular.
But if hes got a games console it needs to go.
If he is gaming it isnt helping.

Same with the mobile. How long does he spend on his mobile.

This is a lot more difficult, because he needs a mobile to keep on contact with yourself. But too much time on the phone is also affecting him adversely.

Any laptops/ computers need to be ased in the living room. If he has homework he needs to do it in the living room.

What extracurricular activities does he have?

Is he out with his mates much? Who is he spending time with? Is he on any drugs or illicit substances?

Porfre · 12/11/2021 14:14

He needs to be in bed on time. And on the days hes not going into school he needs to be awake from 8am. Otherwise he wont sleep properly.

What is he doing on the days when he isnt in school?
Without gaming/ playing games on computer and not spending time on his phone, what would he be doing?

He needs to be kept busy that doesnt involve any type of media. Personally I'd get him doing chores and TV would be out of bounds.
It doesnt sound nice.

megletthesecond · 12/11/2021 14:21

Sympathies OP.
My 13yr old is getting worse. She ran off this morning. Cue me on the phone to school and the police. Eventually got her in for lunch but I'm expecting more half arsed support and nothing I actually want for her.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

Xmasss · 12/11/2021 14:37

The couple of people above who have said take his stuff away. Make sure he's in bed on time . How ? He's 14 not 4 I can't read him a bed time story. He's also very aggressive and I'm scared of him. I'm not going to do anything that could put me or anyone else in danger. He does not have a phone though.

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RobotValkyrie · 12/11/2021 14:42

I mean if I was taken to court surely they would ask what support has been offered by the school to get him back into education. I would have to say none. Which would not look good on their part.

Quite right OP, don't let clueless idiots try and bully you.
Hope social services can help, sounds like your son is quite abusive towards you, which is a horrible situation to be in.

Xmasss · 12/11/2021 14:44

@megletthesecond

Sympathies OP. My 13yr old is getting worse. She ran off this morning. Cue me on the phone to school and the police. Eventually got her in for lunch but I'm expecting more half arsed support and nothing I actually want for her.
My son done a runner the other night after becoming aggressive he took my phone and bank cards. I had to call the police. They did not turn up till late . So were not that concerned about his safety 🤔
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orinocosfavoritecake · 12/11/2021 15:01

Take a look at this: notfineinschool.co.uk/

Xmasss · 12/11/2021 18:48

[quote orinocosfavoritecake]Take a look at this: notfineinschool.co.uk/[/quote]
Thank you for that link . It looks like it could definitely be helpful. I will have a proper look over the weekend

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Xmasss · 15/11/2021 11:09

Will early help give me help and support in trying to get my son back to school ? His school said they will not as its not their remit?

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Legoisthebest · 15/11/2021 11:33

We had Early Help. It was more about finding out why my daughter didn't want to attend school, what was going on with her etc. It was having someone 'neutral' for her to talk (and bond) with. It wasn't about the demand of "you must go back to school" (the education welfare people's methodHmm) but getting her confidence back. Having someone who would listen to her. The original plan was the support worker would do things like take her for a hot chocolate or a walk or whatever but unfortunately covid did mean some of it didn't happen. She currently goes to an art therapist - which is more about just chatting than actual art. We were linked to the therapist (who is from a charity) via the Early Help.
Hope you are doing ok Flowers

Xmasss · 15/11/2021 11:37

@Legoisthebest

We had Early Help. It was more about finding out why my daughter didn't want to attend school, what was going on with her etc. It was having someone 'neutral' for her to talk (and bond) with. It wasn't about the demand of "you must go back to school" (the education welfare people's methodHmm) but getting her confidence back. Having someone who would listen to her. The original plan was the support worker would do things like take her for a hot chocolate or a walk or whatever but unfortunately covid did mean some of it didn't happen. She currently goes to an art therapist - which is more about just chatting than actual art. We were linked to the therapist (who is from a charity) via the Early Help. Hope you are doing ok Flowers
Thank you. So what about the threat of court etc for the parent. I have googled. But all there seems to be is threats on parents and parents having to sign stuff and if you don't sign it will be used for evidence and if you do your in trouble if your child still refuses . So it's a rock and a hard stone without any actual help .
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LolaSmiles · 15/11/2021 11:42

I remember your other recent thread OP. At my school we only take legal action where the parents are repeatedly refusing to engage properly with us. It sounds like you're willing to engage and are actively seeking help.

With walking out, taking bank cards, talk of care, I would possibly be concerned about the company he is keeping. Whilst not wanting to scaremonger, part of me wonders if he is keeping company with people on the fringes of county lines or other groups that seek to exploit teenagers. Early Help might be able to offer some advice here if that's a concern.

Some FE colleges run programmes for 14-16 year olds and the Princes Trust also have some programmes for young people of that age as well. Some teens find these a good option.

Hodgehog · 15/11/2021 11:53

How was the assessment ?

Greenmarmalade · 15/11/2021 11:59

Sorry haven’t rtft as have a meeting and don’t want to forget to reply.

I’m in a similar situation.

My advice: write a list of everything you’re doing to support your son back into school. Explain the barriers to him- emotional blocks.

Photo from our council documentation- I sent this screenshot with my list of actions, and they took me off the ‘threaten with court’ list.

How can I get my son into school
Greenmarmalade · 15/11/2021 11:59

As in- explain what the emotional barriers are for him attending school and why he’s refusing

Xmasss · 15/11/2021 12:03

@LolaSmiles

I remember your other recent thread OP. At my school we only take legal action where the parents are repeatedly refusing to engage properly with us. It sounds like you're willing to engage and are actively seeking help.

With walking out, taking bank cards, talk of care, I would possibly be concerned about the company he is keeping. Whilst not wanting to scaremonger, part of me wonders if he is keeping company with people on the fringes of county lines or other groups that seek to exploit teenagers. Early Help might be able to offer some advice here if that's a concern.

Some FE colleges run programmes for 14-16 year olds and the Princes Trust also have some programmes for young people of that age as well. Some teens find these a good option.

I don't think there is a contry lines thing. He does not really make a big effort to go out of the house. When he done a runner with my phone and cards I out a stop on them but it did take he over an hour to do it as I was not thinking straight. And it turns out he had not touched my account. He was also seen in the park on the phone and it turns out he was on the phone to social services.

Yes I'm 100% communicating with the school. But as I discovered they are not actually doing much. Apart from they did put school counselling in place for him. But hes refusing to go to school so not accessing the counselling.

With the college thing I mentioned that to ds he said he might be interested. But im not sure how it would work. I don't know if he would be accepted because of his bad attendance also maybe they could only do it for September. Also I think I read that only school can apply for college.

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Xmasss · 15/11/2021 12:12

@Greenmarmalade

As in- explain what the emotional barriers are for him attending school and why he’s refusing
Thank you. I have no proof of anything though. And he does not give me any reasons. I don't know if something will falk into place once he sees the support worker.
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Legoisthebest · 15/11/2021 12:16

Yes I think because we engaged fully with Early Help and the school it took the threat of court away. They pretty much said "we can see you are trying to fix this" (or words to that effect). I think because Early Help is social services some parents don't like to engage.
Things were a bit different because of covid as the school ended up being closed and work was online but when it re opened we made sure work was done at home (not much but some). Some was basically doing CGP books I bought from WHSmith but it showed we were trying with her education and wanted her to have an education.
About applying for college doing a 14+ course. I think your best thing is to contact local colleges yourself and see what they say. I would imagine you apply via the local authority (as you would have done for secondary). Unfortunately I believe the application date for 14+ schools/colleges was end of October but talk to colleges, talk to the LA. See if there are any UTCs (University Technical Colleges - they start at 14) near you - there might be one in the next town over for example if there isn't one in your town.

Xmasss · 15/11/2021 12:24

@Legoisthebest

Yes I think because we engaged fully with Early Help and the school it took the threat of court away. They pretty much said "we can see you are trying to fix this" (or words to that effect). I think because Early Help is social services some parents don't like to engage. Things were a bit different because of covid as the school ended up being closed and work was online but when it re opened we made sure work was done at home (not much but some). Some was basically doing CGP books I bought from WHSmith but it showed we were trying with her education and wanted her to have an education. About applying for college doing a 14+ course. I think your best thing is to contact local colleges yourself and see what they say. I would imagine you apply via the local authority (as you would have done for secondary). Unfortunately I believe the application date for 14+ schools/colleges was end of October but talk to colleges, talk to the LA. See if there are any UTCs (University Technical Colleges - they start at 14) near you - there might be one in the next town over for example if there isn't one in your town.
I know it sounds bad. But because there's been such much on my mind with the (attending) school. And then his aggression side where I have been scared of him etc. School work from home never even entered my head. I just asked if work was sent home would he do it and he said no. Although i never thought of it . Surely the school should have bought it up? I know my local college definitely does the 14+ so I'm going to look at it more now and bring it up with early help
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Legoisthebest · 15/11/2021 12:30

Good luck.
If the school hasn't sent him any work try and find something (anything) that he could be doing at home. It doesn't even have to be something on the curriculum - just something to show he wants to learn. Of course he might say nothing interests him but I bet deep down there is something. Whether it's designing art for skateboards, learning Russian online or making candles (that one is probably a no but.... but you never knowGrin). Something to show he can do something - and it's something he can be proud of (that's good for both him personally and showing the education welfare people).

orinocosfavoritecake · 15/11/2021 12:38

Following on from @Legoisthebest - here: fantasticforfamilies.com It’s a massive list of at home (online & not) activities designed by museums. Basically free lesson plans — anything from a 5 minute to a 5 day project.

TankFlyBoss · 15/11/2021 12:45

Hi @Xmasss

Sorry to hear you are in this difficult position. I wanted to respond because I am an EWO and have been for a very long time. I'm sorry you haven't felt your ewo has been useful so far.

I haven't read all the comments but have read your first post carefully. Is he in year 9 or 10 and when did he transition to this school? When did this start and how quickly did it escalate? What was he like last year, the year or two before that? Does he have any SEN diagnosed or suspected? Does he show any anxiety?

I would agree with the comments about safeguarding concerns from some of his behaviours and would also advise you to seek further advice. Youth services are good, the school may employ or have access to their own youth worker. Has the EWO visited your child, perhaps with a teacher from school?

In terms of EWO support I think we are often in the firing line for both unhappy parents and schools so I wanted to respond to some of what you have said and general comments further in the thread. The primary job is to promote and enforce school attendance, that is the statutory requirement of the role so we are basically employed to identify children and young people who's attendance is cause for concern, and sort of do preliminary enquiries and investigations. We are not mental health workers, educational psychologists or social workers so we cannot work with many of the underlying causes ourselves and the role of the EWO is often to pull other things together instead. There is a legal bottom line in that under the education act, parents have a legal responsibility to ensure their children's regular and punctual school attendance and failure to do so is a criminal offence. Sometimes that feels very harsh, but in the 18 years I have done the job I can honestly say I have never seen anyone taken to court as anything other than a last resort, where months or years of support had failed and the parent had not done absolutely everything within their power to get the child into school. Regardless of how much of a last resort prosecution actually is, we do have a statutory duty to inform you of your legal position. In my local authority we probably prosecute under 5% of cases. We have had a custodial sentence recently which I am fully in support of due to the extreme nature of the case.

But much of the time, the "threat" of legal action is a theoretical one.

It sounds like you are doing as much as you can, I would suggest you try to arrange a fairly urgent meeting between anyone you think might be helpful, plus the school and your child if he will attend, and sit down and look at what is happening. Let people visit your child at home and talk to him themselves. If he won't come out of his room let them go up to see him. Make sure that he knows the law and that these people are involved because they are concerned about him and it's deeper than just not attending school. You ideally need him to participate in some of the discussions before you can identify a way forward.

There is no magic solution and no magic definitive answer, you are welcome to PM me and I will try to respond and help further if I can.

Finally, worst case scenario but it's unlikely probably, but if you DO get taken to court, represent yourself. Magistrates are usually kind and empathic to parents in your situation as long as you can prove you have done eve tithing reasonable (attending meetings, not obstructing appointments etc). Under the standard offence, it is an absolute offence meaning that like driving without insurance, if you have committed the offence of not ensuring your child attends school then you have committed the offence and there is no defence (barring a few technicalities) so you would expect a guilty verdict in court but often the cases where parents are engaged with services and not ignoring or exacerbating the problem they are just given a conditional discharge. (Basically a guilty verdict but nothing more).

It's a very tough situation, you can only do what you can do but equally this also goes for professionals who cannot perform miracles!

Xmasss · 15/11/2021 12:49

@orinocosfavoritecake

Following on from *@Legoisthebest* - here: fantasticforfamilies.com It’s a massive list of at home (online & not) activities designed by museums. Basically free lesson plans — anything from a 5 minute to a 5 day project.
Thank you. I will take a look . But now I'm thinking maybe I'm putting barriers in the way . I'm not sure though. Ds has told me he's not going to school unless I get him a phone I don't think he would go anyway. We don't have a laptop either. So he has no way of actually working. But if I buy him this stuff I'm rewarding him for not going to school and for his aggression?
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Legoisthebest · 15/11/2021 12:56

Ask the school for a laptop !
Also don't think of it as a reward. Kids need laptops for school work. They are just another piece of equipment these days like pens and calculators (and a school provided one will be fairly basic).
Would he be interested in a weekend job? To pay for a phone. There are limitations to what he can do at 14 but he might like the whole not being treated like a kid thing.

Legoisthebest · 15/11/2021 12:57

Or even weekend volunteering if no jobs around. That could be a way of him 'earning' a phone from you.

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