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I think I've just had a good idea, but I have absolutely no idea.

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Gingernaut · 07/11/2021 18:10

Levelling up.

It takes a village to raise a child

Education! Education! Education!

Yes.

However, I live in a deprived shit hole, with poverty and dysfunctional family set ups all across the area.

There are many children with chronic conditions whose family set up means they are missing essential hospital appointments.

Crucial scans and diagnostic tests have had to be rescheduled because the parent or guardian cannot believe the child is that ill (even if the condition is hereditary, they've seen it kill and/or they have complications from it themselves), they went on holiday at the last minute, knowing full well that the appointment was pending and thought they could rebook after the appointment had passed, a sibling is playing up or they can't afford the bus fare.

Children are missing out on consultant, dentist or eye appointments because mum is phobic and can't gather herself to bring the child and there is no one else she can rely on.

There are children who aren't into their teens, already suffering life limiting effects of health conditions and whose prospects of employment are lowered as a result.

Children missing out on scholarships or extracurricular classes because the family can't afford the uniforms, kit, instruments, books or can't get their act together to get them to classes.

Children not progressing because the family are dependent on short term lets, B&B, private landlords and are moving on a biannual or more basis.

Children who have a talent but who can't practice, because there's no space, it's too noisy or time consuming for someone to get them to practice.

What if there was a 'collective' of volunteers?

DBS checked volunteers, who could spare a couple of hours a day/week/weekend, who could help out.

Some with resources, some with cars and free time, some with experience of teaching, mentoring, coaching and some with maybe £5 a month to spare.

What if there was an organisation which could coordinate these volunteers?

Send an email to the volunteers each month asking when they were free and what resources they could make available.

People could make referrals to this organisation.

Teachers, social workers, parents, grandparents and a child's needs assessed as a whole.

So a child who needed to practice an instrument, could be paired up with someone in a detached house or who had a piano that they could practice on for an hour a day.

A child who needed space, peace and quiet to study could be paired up with someone who had a dining table and wifi out of library hours

A child who needed someone to pick them up and take them to appointments could be paired up with someone with the right car seat who could take them - I can see that would require patient confidentiality - so social worker? Nurse? The child and a trusted relative?

Applications could be made to the organisation for funds.

For educational, psychiatric and medical assessments, instruments, kit, supplement a scholarship, books, uniform etc.

Anything and everything required to intervene as early as possible and give any child as much help as possible.

The Tories brought in Student Loans

Labour brought in tuition fees

Both of these hit students from the poorest backgrounds disproportionately.

Clearly, there's no government or legislation that can be relied upon to help the least academically able, the disadvantaged and the victims of dysfunctional and abusive parenting.

A collective fund, a central hub of second hand uniforms, with volunteers to mend, clean and iron them, an organising committee, a fundraising committee and a squadron of volunteers across the area, committed to helping the next generation level up and better than the last.

Is this being done already?

Am I talking out of my arse?

Is this a good idea?

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Jason118 · 07/11/2021 18:18

You're asking for a Sweden. Or Germany. Or Norway. Our government's don't care about actual people, and we, collectively, let them get away with it, time after time after time. Sad really.

Echobelly · 07/11/2021 18:19

It's a nice idea, but I'm just not sure there's enough people with enough hours in the day. Certainly the idea of offering space in a house to kids who might need it is interesting - it doesn't ask much of the person giving up the space and you do get enough wealth and poverty cheek by jowl that people could do it fairly easily.

I'm not sure what you're proposing re: your first issue about missed appointments - that volunteers explain to people the importance of these and not missing them?

Gingernaut · 07/11/2021 18:22

I'm not sure what I'm proposing, tbh.

Mentoring, support and practical help for parents, as well as children, I suppose.

I guessing this would have to be a charity?

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wavingwhilstdrowning · 07/11/2021 18:25

I have done this on a very small scale locally. The safeguarding is a nightmare and after a few months trial I now fundraise to EMPLOY the helpers which gives me full control over safeguarding. It is a logistical nightmare tbh. And I get no thanks and a lot of aggro from rich middle class people who want their kids to get free support.

YukoandHiro · 07/11/2021 18:26

The problem with the medical stuff is the person attending needs to have the ability to grant full parental/guardian consent - so you can't have a volunteer taking them to the appt (though they could look after wayward sibling or whatever)

Gingernaut · 07/11/2021 18:26

The more people who'd volunteer, the less each volunteer would have to do.

Specialist 'expert patient' training for parents from invited charities/hospital staff or people who manage their condition?

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Gingernaut · 07/11/2021 18:30

@YukoandHiro

The problem with the medical stuff is the person attending needs to have the ability to grant full parental/guardian consent - so you can't have a volunteer taking them to the appt (though they could look after wayward sibling or whatever)
I thought this as soon as I wrote it down.

The middle class and the pushy CF families could be put to the end of the queue and get minimal input.

I'm talking about children who are walking around with holes in their shoes, because mum can't afford Primark or 'Billy Elliot' types with parents at a loss to know what to do with their gifted kid.

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Hollyhead · 07/11/2021 18:30

I think the safeguarding involved would make it prohibitive. Plus a lot of people are worn out from the pace of life and keeping their own show on the road. I don’t know anyone with spare time.

Hollyhead · 07/11/2021 18:31

I’ve always fantasised about running a local clothes bank for children though. If I won the lottery that’s what I’d do.

Waahingwashingwashing · 07/11/2021 18:32

Where’s the volunteers going to come from? Who’s going to do all the safeguarding checks needed? And pay for them?

Etinoxaurus · 07/11/2021 18:33

@Jason118

You're asking for a Sweden. Or Germany. Or Norway. Our government's don't care about actual people, and we, collectively, let them get away with it, time after time after time. Sad really.
Scandinavian countries do not are not so great because of volunteers Confused If anything the opposite, you can rely on cheery neighbours to take in post or help you on the bus so the postman drops you a card and you collect from the post office and buses are free with a pram. The sort of parent who misses hospital appointment due to holidays or not thinking it’s serious would be very suspicious of busy bodies taking their child instead. There’s a lot that can be done though, scrapping ridiculously expensive uniforms would level out school access- some schools select on having a cohort who can afford £80 blazers. All schools have parents who go without to pay for uniforms and extra curricula.
jendifer · 07/11/2021 18:36

Here there is Safe Families for Children and it works in a very similar way. Not sure if it’s in all cities though.

jendifer · 07/11/2021 18:37

(I only know about projects like this run through local churches but imagine other faith communities do the same too)

Gingernaut · 07/11/2021 18:40

There are sporadic posts on Facebook about second hand uniform 'shops' - these tend to be in church halls and with uniforms for specific schools.

I have absolutely no idea where I'm going with this, tbh.

There are a lot of retirees who might be able to help, but yes, safeguarding and DBS checks would be an administrative nightmare.

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Gingernaut · 07/11/2021 18:42

Where I live, apathy runs deep.

Someone would need to put rockets up multiple arses for anyone to consider this.

Something has to change, but many families don't realise they're the problem, don't have anyone trustworthy or reliable or the help and advice that could make all the difference is not available.

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Kendodd · 07/11/2021 18:45

I thought you were going to suggest more state boarding schools tbh.

Gingernaut · 07/11/2021 18:46

I did on another thread, but that will never happen.

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weebarra · 07/11/2021 18:46

I know what you mean. I have one child who has a neurological, life long condition, as well as ADHD and another with a cardiac issue and ASD. (yes, DH and I clearly have crap genes!)
I have become an 'expert patient' over the years and happen to be a professional, middle class, write woman with English as my first language. People dealing with my children listen to me and talk to me.
I've, especially with CAMHS, got access to courses, support etc that people without my privilege wouldn't get.
I feel so strongly that parents need advocacy to guide them through the system. I know the medical stuff isn't really what you're talking about but it really angers me that some children don't receive the best care because their parents don't speak the language of the professionals they deal with - I don't mean EAL I mean the language needed to navigate the system.

BurnedToast · 07/11/2021 18:50

I have previously volunteered for a charity. You would need to have restrictions of geographical area to stop the pushy people who can well afford the help from manipulating your good will. The richer the area, the worse they are.

SirenSays · 07/11/2021 18:51

This was brought up in my area months ago. Lots of people saying they'd be happy to go and fix potholes, fences etc but that it would be an insurance nightmare. They're already paying all they can afford in things like council tax so it would feel like being taken for a ride.

Gingernaut · 07/11/2021 18:54

Yes!

Advocacy. Support. Signposting to other agencies. Practical help. Material help. Financial help.

Citizens' Advice, benefits help, befrienders, mentors, coaches and
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stuff?

This is just a pipe dream isn't it?

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OakPine · 07/11/2021 18:57

What are you thinking of? Starting up a new charity?

Gingernaut · 07/11/2021 18:58

@BurnedToast

I have previously volunteered for a charity. You would need to have restrictions of geographical area to stop the pushy people who can well afford the help from manipulating your good will. The richer the area, the worse they are.
Round my way, that would not really be an issue....
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Gingernaut · 07/11/2021 18:59

@OakPine

What are you thinking of? Starting up a new charity?
Dunno.

I have no contacts and I wouldn't have the first clue about how to.

Has anyone heard of such a thing being done anywhere?

Council? Charity? Not for profit?

Is there such a template?

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EllieQ · 07/11/2021 19:02

Are you thinking of something like Homestart, basically?