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ADHD 11 year old has been bullying/alienating friends

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SquarePeggyLeggy · 04/11/2021 00:48

Posting here as well as SN.

I am feeling exhausted and increasingly depressed about my ADHD son. I really love him, but raising him is proving pretty joyless and exhausting.

We moved to a lovely new village a few months ago, some of his school friends live nearby, they came to collect him and rode bikes, went to play, it was all fantastic and a much needed change (previously we lived in the large town, and couldn’t do any of this).

Everything was fine for several weeks, until they stopped coming around. One of them told him: “I have to be honest, I don’t want to be your friend”. My son was baffled as to why.

But he still played online with a couple of them. Then one of them (the kid) contacted us to tell us our son had been bullying and pushing him into buying things for him. We had him apologise and banned him for several weeks. They became friends and started playing again, until last night when the friend said he didn’t want to be friends again, and his father told him to stay away from our son. We contacted the man and he said our son has been really inappropriate with his, saying sexual stuff, making strange noises (he has tics) and calling other kids “losers” and that he felt really uncomfortable around him.

This has happened more than once, parents telling us our son is a problem or upsetting theirs. There’s a pattern where he makes a friend, they play several times, and then he alienates them, and sometimes hear from the parents.

He’s very dishonest about this and flat out denies it, but as it’s now several similar reports, it’s obvious that our son is acting inappropriately, making kids uncomfortable or pushing them around (not physically) and then lying about it. He just cannot seem to be a good friend. We have tried so hard, he has so much of our love and attention, but he is so low on empathy and can be cruel as a result of his thoughtlessness. He is very, very negative, suspicious of everyone’s intentions and makes mean and hurtful comments and is selfish and manipulative. It breaks my heart to say this, but it’s true. He is clever and interesting and kind to animals and his baby sister, but seems to have no idea when he’s upsetting people and is unmoved when he does, and doesn’t learn from it.

He also has low self esteem.

He is medicated, sees a psychologist, we talk constantly with him, I don’t know what else to do. I feel so concerned for his future. All of the parents are close and talk, I know my son is now pegged as the weirdo bully, and it impacts my other children because they don’t want to associate with us as a result. It’s impacting all of us.

He was only officially diagnosed last year, I’m still learning, can this diagnosis explain what’s happening? Is it something else, should I dig deeper? I feel like his behaviour is that of a traumatised child with a difficult home life, but we don’t have that at all. He is otherwise very healthy, we try to involve him in activities, but something always goes wrong, he can’t do team sports because of the poor way he treats his team mates (getting really angry with them when they make mistakes etc).

It feels so easy, just be nice! Just be nice to people! But he just literally cannot be nice. If he is nice, it’s because he wants something, for example he’ll give me a compliment, then ask for money immediately after.

I don’t know what I want. Can anyone relate? Is the future bleak? Can this be helped and how? I don’t see much evidence he think positively about anything or cares about other people at all. He loves the dog and the baby, but is too rough on occasion when he plays. He also talks very loudly and constantly interrupts. None of these traits are something others enjoy being around. How can we help him?

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SquarePeggyLeggy · 04/11/2021 00:58

I feel so bad to say these things out loud, but it’s all true. To summarise all of the issues is: he’s not a very nice boy a lot of the time, and people are upset by this, and he doesn’t seem to learn from it.

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user1000000000009 · 04/11/2021 01:12

Pm me and I will reply to you in the morning

Mediumred · 04/11/2021 01:26

Gosh, this sounds so hard, so he doesn’t mind that his friends don’t want to play with him? How is he at school? What does his psychologist say.

If he really doesn’t mind then could he just take a break from socialising for a while? Even online? So still play online but not with friends? It sounds like he’s not understanding the rules/cues, maybe it’s stressing him out. I think we as kind of neurotypical adults want to see our kids socialising with lots of friends cos to us it equals “happy” but maybe it isn’t always the case.

I think it’s good he’s fond of his sister and his dog and surely most kids might be a bit rough on occasion? I’m sure he will mature and develop better social strategies with friends too but he’s still quite young.

I would apologise to other parents who complain but explain that his tics are due to ADHD and you are helping to him to work on some boundaries around sexual comments/insults.

Also please, please look after yourself, you sound like you are doing a great job in difficult circumstances so really try to cut yourself some slack and celebrate his triumphs like if he’s been lovely with dog/sis.

SquarePeggyLeggy · 04/11/2021 02:10

Thank you for this reply, it is very kind.

My instinct is to pull him out of the sports team (all these boys are in the team) and ban all online stuff too, to attempt a reset.

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SquarePeggyLeggy · 04/11/2021 02:18

To clarify, he does want friends. But he doesn’t take responsibility for any of it. So he’ll claim it was someone else who said those things, the other kid is making it up, or says he was joking or they’re too sensitive. So yesterday my husband and I were saying: “this is very serious, X is very upset, the friendship is over, the parents are involved now and think poorly of you” and he said: “I’ll just say sorry, it will be fine”.

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Griffo123 · 04/11/2021 02:24

ADHD is often accompanied by autism and some of the traits you are describing are more associated with autism. Can I ask if your dear child has been tested for this?

Atypicaldancer · 04/11/2021 03:09

We are currently having Dd, 15, assessed for autism and I could have written this - the phone calls from parents; the sexual inappropriate comments; the interruptions etc.

SquarePeggyLeggy · 04/11/2021 03:09

He has been assessed twice, but I agree, I just don’t feel the adhd truly describes his behaviour.

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MrsCardone · 04/11/2021 03:46

I can relate to all of this with our DS. I’m posting outside in the rain so I’ll have to keep it short. It all sounds like symptoms of the ADHD.

SinoohXaenaHide · 04/11/2021 03:56

This all aounds very familiar to me too. Assessments are still ongoing but we don't know whether ADHD, ASD or both. I am formally diagnosed with ASD and suspect I might have ADHD too but can't face the trauma of another round of assessments to find out. I find it incredibly difficult to teach my DC social skills that I don't have a very firm grip on myself but learned to fake aa part of masking my own issues. Joining the thread in the hopes that any wise advice to OP might also be helpful for me.

SquarePeggyLeggy · 04/11/2021 05:42

At this point I wouldn’t care if he faked it, as long as he could just get by without upsetting everyone for a while. That would at least improve the cycle.

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PieMistee · 04/11/2021 05:48

Have you also considered tourettes? Also linked to ADHD. The tics and sexual inappropriateness would fit.

SquarePeggyLeggy · 04/11/2021 09:09

I don’t think he could turn Tourette’s off and on. It’s like a different boy. He comes across as quite innocent/naive, but then was making these sexual comments, he doesn’t do that in front of us. I think maybe autism too.

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makelovenotpetrol · 04/11/2021 09:42

I've sent you a PM hope that's ok

RedCarsGoFaster · 04/11/2021 09:45

I think you need professional advice.

A 13yo lad near me befriended the kids in the street this summer - mostly the older ones who are 11/12ish. He goes to a SEN school, has ADHD and autism and all the various parents thought how lovely it was that he'd made friends at last etc.

It lasted about a month. He was stealing from them, threatening them when an adult wasn't looking, he locked one of the girls in his bedroom for an hour and took her phone off her so she couldn't leave, he kicked a woman walking past them and shouted "slut" at her, he set fire to things in his bedroom with the other kids present, broke his iPhone on purpose with the other kids watching as he said he'd just get a new one from his mum etc....

When he's nice, he's a lovely lovely boy but his behaviour goes way beyond poor impulse control. This boy's mum is actually a SENCO (true story) but seems to be so permissive with him - he gets home to an empty house each day and is alone until 6.30ish most nights. I'm not sure that helps as that's when his behaviour seems to be at its worst - in public at least.

Needless to say, that friendship is over and he's not welcome to see any of the kids or their parents.

Both my BIL (and we suspect DH) have ADHD. One has a criminal record as long as your arm, but is a genuinely nice bloke - when he's not drinking that is. One is a teetotal family man, DH has a potted history with booze as well.

It's a difficult position to be in - but it's not something you can easily do alone. Can you contact the team who diagnosed him for some help?

SquarePeggyLeggy · 05/11/2021 04:25

Oh wow, that’s depressing.

We have realised he needs a lot of supervision, we won’t be allowing him to communicate online, and will keep social stuff to one on one.

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MackenCheese · 05/11/2021 05:21

My ds is exactly like yours. Please pm me with any advice if you are able to share. He has asd, age 14. Its just so sad. Will he improve?

QueenofLouisiana · 05/11/2021 05:41

Is the medication now at a level which is helping with focus and impulse control? Once it is I think I’d be asking for further assessments for socio-communication difficulties.
The adhd is one issue, but it can be very difficult to assess for over needs until that is under control.
Are school aware of the concerns? They may have strategies and programs they can put in place for him to learn how to be a friend. Alternatively, if his psychologist is aware, this could be an area of work together?

ShoesEverywhere · 05/11/2021 06:24

I have ADHD, my son (probably) has ADHD and none of this is how I'd describe experiencing the world or how he acts.

I heard what you said about 'behaviour of a traumatised child' - and wondered if you had read 'the a-z of therapeutic parenting'? It contains a lot of advice on common problems in children and how to deal with them in a trauma sensitive way (which may be what he needs). I use the parenting techniques from there and think it's honestly just good parenting, not only for foster children etc.

SquarePeggyLeggy · 06/11/2021 20:36

Thank you, I have books to read, and for my son too. He is off all devices, and we’ve decided he can’t communicate online, most likely for years.
It is so hard not to futurise and imagine him depressed and lonely and rejected. He is such hard work, but we love him so much. We will be replacing gaming with physical activity, probably not teams at this stage, and there is an adhd treatment centre nearby that I didn’t know about so will enquire with them.
School has closed for Covid cases and with the ban on online chatting, I’m hoping it’s a bit of a circuit breaker. We apologised to the other child’s parents and explained his challenges (they didn’t respond) and he apologised in person too.
I want to change his school, but it wouldn’t solve anything until we can get him treating others better. I don’t know how he’s going to learn, but we’ll keep at it.

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SquarePeggyLeggy · 06/11/2021 20:37

I really hope they don’t get the school involved, it’s their perogative, though.

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InsaneInTheMomBrain · 06/11/2021 20:48

Same here with the lack of social skills, lack of friends etc. Complaining about perceived insults from others and completely over-reacting. I feel like a pariah at the school gates. He's undiagnosed but on the waiting list.

I'm meeting with the educational psychologist at school soon.

If anyone would like to pm any info I'd appreciate it.

Beakerandbungle · 06/11/2021 21:18

I know you mention he has low self esteem and I wonder if it’s at least partly that ( combined with impulse control). Perhaps he perceives that others don’t like him/are laughing at him/ think something bad of him ( could be something so slight) and almost ‘gets in first’ in a way? Almost to avoid being rejected? Some people with ADHD do have very high sensitivity to rejection.

I also have a DC with ADHD and know how hard it is and the fear for their future.

SquarePeggyLeggy · 07/11/2021 06:35

I know I shouldn’t care what other parents think, but I do. And my daughter is also at the school, without any of these challenges, but I think it’s got to be really impacting her too, like our family has a bad reputation now.

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SquarePeggyLeggy · 07/11/2021 06:36

I really think impulse control, he just can’t stop himself from being selfish or mean. He just blurts it out.

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