Sunak's new 'family hubs'

[HugeAckmansWife]

Just reading about his plans for 'family hubs' to support very early months / years of childhood : breastfeeding clinins etc. Am I missing something or are these not basically what New Labour did with Children's Centres that were ace and I used back in the mid 2000s? I'm glad (if) it's going to happen as I thought it was a terrible shame they were one if the first things to go, but are the Tories hoping we've all got such short memories that we'll think this is some great new innovation?

Yep. It’s hilarious “we’ve recognised that the early years are important”.

Er I remember new Labour doing shit loads of research on this and coming to that conclusion.

The question I’d ask the Tories is what do they plan to do for those early years that they’ve screwed in the meantime.

That’s exactly what I thought when I read it. I think they are hoping we all have amnesia.

Totally agree. First thing I thought too

So the Tories defunded and shut down Sure Start and Children's Centres, watched things go tits up, and are now throwing peanuts at 'hubs'.

Slow hand clap.

What's happening is the usual cycle of tories cutting everything within an inch if it's life, labour getting back in and spending to scrape public services back from near death, tories in again and cutting...etc. has been disrupted because the tories have now been in power for so long and their austerity measures have been so crippling that they now have no choice but to start spending money on the things they gleefully destroyed. And because we've got no current hope of labour getting back in they can't be blamed for the money being spent like they normally would so the tories have to tell us a ripe old tale about why them spending money is completely different...

Glad it's not just me.. Thought I must be missing some important difference. I seem to remember the 'reason' given for closing the Sure Start centres was that they'd been monopolised by the naice middle class ladies who didn't really need them and the 'working class /council / young / single' mothers were put off.

It is exactly that, I worked in a children's centre that was renamed a family hub. The only difference was that a lot of funding was removed, a lot more managers were hired and money wasted on"training" staff on what they already knew. Other changes are that services for run of the mill families stopped so no community centre feel any more, no stay and plays, no connecting with local mums. Services now only for those in low income post codes which doesn't make sense in our area, as millionaires in the same street as divided and rented social housing.

Yanbu.
Just because the Tories rarely parented or paid any attention to the Sure Start centres doesn't mean the rest of us have forgotten when they closed them down.

There certainly sounded like sure start centers to me as well.

@WutheringShites86

What's happening is the usual cycle of tories cutting everything within an inch if it's life, labour getting back in and spending to scrape public services back from near death, tories in again and cutting...etc. has been disrupted because the tories have now been in power for so long and their austerity measures have been so crippling that they now have no choice but to start spending money on the things they gleefully destroyed. And because we've got no current hope of labour getting back in they can't be blamed for the money being spent like they normally would so the tories have to tell us a ripe old tale about why them spending money is completely different...

Hahahaha, so true!

The problem with this cycle is that it is so expensive. If you run a service into the ground, it costs more (not just financially) to bring it back to a decent level.

Yes what an absolute twat Sunak is - the Tories shut approximately 1,000 children's centres and want us to be excited they are opening 75.

Fuck off Rishi Sunak.

And if you vote for them, give your head a shake, please.

@WutheringShites86

What's happening is the usual cycle of tories cutting everything within an inch if it's life, labour getting back in and spending to scrape public services back from near death, tories in again and cutting...etc. has been disrupted because the tories have now been in power for so long and their austerity measures have been so crippling that they now have no choice but to start spending money on the things they gleefully destroyed. And because we've got no current hope of labour getting back in they can't be blamed for the money being spent like they normally would so the tories have to tell us a ripe old tale about why them spending money is completely different...

Great summary!

Echoes my thoughts exactly.

They've finally realised that despite being shit they are likely to get elected next time. And they've run out if people to blame. And even though they are shit people have realised they are shit.

They just also think the opposition is just as shit!

Labour are unlikely to get back into power in the next 10-20 years, if ever.

The Tories are refashioning the landscape however they wish, at leisure.

@MrsPeacockInTheLibrary

Labour are unlikely to get back into power in the next 10-20 years, if ever.

The Tories are refashioning the landscape however they wish, at leisure.

Latest aggregate polling shows the Tories down from a majority of 80 to just 16.

The next election is not likely to see a Labour victory but I think 20 years is a ridiculous statement, not even leading PolSci academics would predict that far ahead.

Remember when there was no coming back for the Democrats in the US?

thing is it's 'The Tories' are not one homogenous group who all think and do the same, the same as labour aren't. Look at the differences and divides in Labour.

The Tories have been internal fighting had been going on for years, Cameron and Osborne were one faction.
The latest government is another. I'm not saying they are better but they are definitely different.

I've always voted labour up until the last few years (I'm political homeless now) but when new labour were in I was furious with some of their policies too, some of which have had far reaching consequences. some of their policies were great and were what I wanted from labour. I've also not been keen on some other labour factions.

Politics isn't blue or red there are shades in both.

I thought labour's sure start centres were brilliant, and cursed Osborne for getting rid of them, so I am happy that Sunak has brought them back. its wasn't Sunak who got rid of them, like I said we've got a different set of Tories in now, and that's all you have to recognise. for better or worse they will be doing things differently. just like the different parts of labour would if they were in.

I just can't get worked up about the fact that have brought something back that I thought was a good idea in the first place.

@NewYearNewTwatName but it's not just that they've brought something back that worked before so 'happy days'.

They're spending huge amounts of money to partially resurrect something which they decimated as an ideological choice. As other posters have said, it's much harder to build back up from the ruins than to maintain what we already had and there will only be a fraction of what there was before.

One of many more polished turds to come I expect.

[quote WutheringShites86]@NewYearNewTwatName but it's not just that they've brought something back that worked before so 'happy days'.

They're spending huge amounts of money to partially resurrect something which they decimated as an ideological choice. As other posters have said, it's much harder to build back up from the ruins than to maintain what we already had and there will only be a fraction of what there was before.

One of many more polished turds to come I expect.[/quote]
And 75 is nothing, aboslutely nothing - but gullible idiots will fall for it.

A 1000 have gone. 1000.

you both missed the point of my post.

'They' didn't, Osborne did. This is a different Government Sunak is the one partially resurrecting it. its not happy days. I'm pointing out That the Tories the same as labour are not a homogeneous group.

Jeremy Corbyn's government would not have be doing same the stuff as Blairs Government.

I'm not congratulating the Tories or are bowled over by one small change. But at the same time why get worked up over it.

But at the same time why get worked up over it. Because politics matters

yes politics do matter.

but their but their are bigger things to get worked up about than Sunak resurrecting a few sure start centres

@NewYearNewTwatName

yes politics do matter.

but their but their are bigger things to get worked up about than Sunak resurrecting a few sure start centres

Sorry, I don't understand why you are telling other people how they have to respond to a political development?

There are bigger things and smaller things, yes. But the topic being discussed is this one.

Yep, one group of Tories spent loads of money shutting down sure start centres and making redundant a load of staff. Which led to lack of support and opportunities for loads of kids. Now a different group of Tories will spend loads of money resurrecting sure start centres with a nifty new name.

Exactly what I thought when I read about them. Sure starts by another name...

It's the callous playing with people's lives. Taking things away, giving them back again.