Is a single police officer legally allowed to arrest a woman who is alone?

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Does anyone know if a single police officer is allowed to arrest a woman who is alone and put her in a vehicle? Or for that matter is it legal for a single officer to arrest a male and confine him?

I'm thinking about what happened to Sarah Everard and wondering what the rules are. I think it's important that we all know in case something like that that situation happens again. Certainly I would like to be able to tell my dcs their rights.

@Coffee2sugars post is the reason absolutely nothing will be done on the back of Sarah’s murder. They want to close ranks and pretend there’s nothing that can be done, it really makes me sick.

Imagine if some good came out of this hideous situation, imagine if it really did lead to a reform in the police? But no, it won’t, because some officers might have hurt feelings and that’s much more important than women’s lives.

[quote Pumperthepumper]@Coffee2sugars post is the reason absolutely nothing will be done on the back of Sarah’s murder. They want to close ranks and pretend there’s nothing that can be done, it really makes me sick.

Imagine if some good came out of this hideous situation, imagine if it really did lead to a reform in the police? But no, it won’t, because some officers might have hurt feelings and that’s much more important than women’s lives.[/quote]
Exactly. I am spitting mad after reading that post! No reflection, no offer of an inquiry to see what mistakes were made with his employment, no "you're right, we as police officers need to do better in the way we treat women who are victims of crime", just "you're all being hysterical, shut up".

Threads like this make me so sad. I am a female who is with the police and the hysterical rhetoric that is coming out about the police is frightening

I am also a female that works with the police.

Most of the comments from male police officers is that the “hysteria” and mistrust is justified, and they personally acknowledge this and will do their best to mitigate.

However they also acknowledge that change needs to come from the top, that may happen in some forces, or an attempt at it if they have decent leadership, but it’s almost impossible to change if there is no senior guidance.

Nomoreusernames1244 Thank you.

I have to say I have seen a lot of reflection and insight on this thread but no hysteria (uncontrollable, extreme emotion). It's an awful put down, used to describe reasonable concerns as irrational, which they are clearly not.

Hysteria is one of those words designed specifically for women (origin uterus) and used to reduce their concerns to overreactions and therefore not worth investigating. It's deeply frustrating that it should appear on this thread.

Thank you Nomoreusernames1244 for a different take.

@Coffee2sugars

Threads like this make me so sad. I am a female who is with the police and the hysterical rhetoric that is coming out about the police is frightening.

This man is not normal, he does not represent rank and file officers and is a single extraordinary case. He deserves to spend his life in prison for the horrific things he has done but he is not all male police officers, he is the exception.

The absolute overwhelming majority of male officers are hard working, conscientious and professional. To say that single crewed men can't arrest a female is ludicrous and such an insult to all those who put their lives at risk to protect women.

Yes, trust in the police had been damaged by his actions and will need to be rebuilt, but this hysterical nonsense will make a generation of women scared to report anything to police because they wrongly think all male police are monsters.

Sometimes this site is really unhelpful to society.

You use the word hysterical twice, I can only believe you dont know it's been used an an insult and to shut women up for ever. Now you know, stop using it.

I'll be honest I've had no good dealings with the police, ever and I'm old.
Report a burglary, heres a crime number, report an assault, maybe someone will be out later. Two police officers tried to bully me into giving a statement that I absolutely didn't want to give as it probably would have made my life hell. I had already reported the crime at great risk.

Report CSA well my God the two officers that were sent were the most obnoxious people ever, I cried when they left and it was never followed up.
That's a snapshot.
So in fact trust in police was never that great.

[quote PinkFootstool]@impossible confined? A basic arrest is so normal it's a mostly daily matter for a copper.

This was an off duty psycho, not even a uniform wearing, radio-using, on duty etc copper. Frankly, he could have been anyone.

If you are dealing with a police officer, expect that even in plain clothing, if they are on duty (as opposed to making an arrest off duty which does happen - often shop lifters etc) you'd expect them to have a radio with them and be communicating with their control room.

If one of your children were to be approached by an off duty officer, they should still have their badge, but certainly not handcuffs. They would also expect to be phoning into their controlled room for an on duty colleague to come and take over.

I've had to make off duty arrests before - it's an absolute PITA obligation under your oath as a copper.[/quote]
This is correct

My mum parked illegally. About 30 years ago. Left me in the car at about 8pm. Whilst she went to the shop quickly.

Two plain clothed police officers came by and tried to get me to open the door. I seriously panicked. Being a female on my own and a child. I screamed bloody murder.

To be fair. They didn't push it. But my goodness. They got into severe trouble for it. I think they might even if lost their jobs for it. I remember at the time how bad it was what had happened to me. Which was in my mind. Two strange men asking me to open my car door. My father was a policeman. So it was the only reason apparently they didn't push me to get to unlock the door.

I can't imagine what would happen if that was to happen today.

For those who want to know
This tells you what should be on a real warrant card.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/kingsheathforum.org.uk/2017/06/12/how-to-recognise-a-police-warrant-card/amp/

Yes, he was off duty, but no, he couldn't have been just anyone. She would not have got in a car with some random psycho, she would have screamed and one of the passers by would have helped her.
This man has been sentenced today by a Judge who made it clear that he used his position as a police officer to commit the offence. He's been given a longer sentence because of that fact. I don't understand why people are still so invested in making out it was nothing to do with him being a police officer. Is it something about not wanting to accept that the people you think are there to protect you are actually corrupt and might hurt you?

*This was an off duty psycho, not even a uniform wearing, radio-using, on duty etc copper. Frankly, he could have been anyone.

If you are dealing with a police officer, expect that even in plain clothing, if they are on duty (as opposed to making an arrest off duty which does happen - often shop lifters etc) you'd expect them to have a radio with them and be communicating with their control room.

If one of your children were to be approached by an off duty officer, they should still have their badge, but certainly not handcuffs. They would also expect to be phoning into their controlled room for an on duty colleague to come and take over*

Most people wouldn't know any of this. I didn't. I don't know any police officers who carry a radio to the shops while off duty. Admittedly, I know one police officer and not that well.
And he wasn't "anyone". He was a convincing liar with the background to back it up.

This morning's headlines throw even more disturbing light on ingrained attitudes towards women within the police. Below is a story about five other officers – not all from the Met either, so you can't pin it all on them –being investigated for text messages they shared with Couzens, including a meme on how a police officer could abduct a woman. Still think our concerns about the conduct of male police officers is hysterical, Coffee2sugars?

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/met-police-officers-under-criminal-investigation-whatsapp-sarah-everard-investigation-b958177.html

Yes it's not just that this sending of stuff happens, it's that it isn't challenged.

Why-because it is also agreed with by the officers who don't challenge or because they feel there is no point?

Because their working lives would then become intolerable and ultimately nothing would change?

Yes the lack of a challenge to misogynistic and racist attitudes is the problem - and listening to some of the interviews by retired officers on the news yesterday I can see why: whistle blowers would find their work untenable and nothing would change.

It's interesting that as more information comes to light the conversation has shifted - from from women being described as 'hysterical' when they express concern about non-uniformed officers making solo arrests to the suggestion from the Met that if a woman feels unsafe while be arrested by a single man she should flag down a bus! Terrible solution but hopefully the conversation will keep moving....

Flag down a bus??

What are they when they're at home??!!

@diddl

Flag down a bus??

What are they when they're at home??!!

I have trouble getting buses to stop reliably when I’m standing at a bus stop! On what planet is any bus driver going to stop and open the doors for some random woman being chased by police?

Yes sometimes they fly by a bus stop

Wouldn’t like to see what you’d have to do to get one to stop randomly

Flag down a bus to protect you from the people paid to protect you. Incredible.

bbc.in/2Y8Rd7f?fbclid=IwAR3GNLEabMe-dGugWcNaCAtyBeJ8lTeHRQHwmFhqThPVtZnVJM6ze4-ROnw

North Yorkshire Crime Commissioner victim blaming and suggesting we should learn about legal matters.

Words fail me.