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Do submariners get fat on duty/how do submariners stay fit?

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CrumpetsForAll · 29/08/2021 22:18

Yes I’ve been watching The Vigil. Does anyone know this important bit of naval info?! Grin

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DazzlePaintedBattlePants · 30/08/2021 08:55

One of the Blue Peter presenters did the dunker training back in the 80’s, it was really interesting but I am also firmly in the “fuck that” camp.

DazzlePaintedBattlePants · 30/08/2021 08:56

DYAC. Gimmer, obviously…

Sonarl · 30/08/2021 08:57

can someone explain the torpedo tube thing? Is it just a hollow tube right, not exposed to the sea, but not insulated so cold enough to store a body. Is that what they would actually do with a body? Why is there things with teeth in there?!

Ekofisk · 30/08/2021 09:01

I’ve done the offshore heli training course, which was OK (no jamming of doors / windows but you did do rebreather training). One of DH’s colleagues was in a NS heli crash and he said that the training really kicked in.

Back in the day anyone doing a one off trip offshore didn’t have to do it though (although that might have changed).

I wouldn’t fancy the sub training - you have to escape from much deeper down.

thegcatsmother · 30/08/2021 09:04

Crumpets Ds was born with one head and doesn't glow green in the dark, and he was born whilst dh was serving on submarines. Yes, there's a risk, but then, so is driving a car.

True about not bring able to derive for a bit after a patrol due to not having been able to look at distances whilst at sea, unless you were periscope watch keeping, and even then, you were only taking very short looks.

SpindleWhorl · 30/08/2021 09:04

[quote Ekofisk]I highly recommend a trip to the submarine museum at Gosport - the guides are former submariners and have lots of stories, including that they couldn’t wash clothes on board so everyone stank (and got a wide berth on the bus on the way home after a tour of duty).

www.nmrn.org.uk/our-museum/submarine[/quote]
@Ekofisk, that's a holiday that DP and I have promised ourselves as soon as we can - the whole Portsmouth Historic Dockyard (Warrior, Victory, Mary Rose) and the Gosport Submarine Museum. I've previously 'done' the ships, but not the boats!

I think it's all included in one ticket, except for the Mary Rose Museum you have to pay extra for?

I'm very arthritic but it looks like there's plenty to see and do, nevertheless.

fudgecat · 30/08/2021 09:05

Peter Duncan if I remember correctly

CrumpetsForAll · 30/08/2021 09:07

@thegcatsmother thank you! Now I think of it there’s a lady at my old work with 3 kids and her husband is a submariner- kids all seemed perfectly healthy (tho may have had super human strength, obv)

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x2boys · 30/08/2021 09:09

Very anecdotal but i used togo out with a Submariner years ago, he was very slim!
Some things he told me, he said they used to sleep in shifts, he said it was common for people to dream they weres in coffins?
He said that often submarines would hide under the QE2?
He could have been talking bollocks of course.

Ekofisk · 30/08/2021 09:12

@SpindleWhorl

Yes! The Royal Naval Dockyard is a great day out. We had a year’s family ticket when it did include the Mary Rose and really kicked the arse out of it. The harbour tour is good (always something new to see), and the sub museum and the Explosion exhibition at Gosport are great.

Fort Nelson is worth a visit too.

royalarmouries.org/venue/fort-nelson/

Poshjock · 30/08/2021 09:23

I guess by eaten they mean rotten - it’s warm down there. There are definitely no rats. In fact port environmental health inspect ships every 6 months for evidence of pests. There are no insects onboard apart from the odd few that migrate on with the crew. Bed bugs is everyone’s nightmare and usually swiftly dealt with. On deck when you are close to port you’ll get flies, but as the accommodation is air tight and positive pressure they rarely get in. It’s really odd when one does and really noticeable.

I’ve only ever visit a sub twice while on a sub support ship so never done a trip nor wanted to. Working ships don’t have a lot of windows so some trades don’t get a huge amount of sunlight either. Most workspaces are artificially lit. Engineers especially spend much of daylight hours down in the machinery spaces and can often be quite pale. Deck crew are out in it constantly and by comparison are weather beaten!

Flooding the toilet thing never happened. Toilets onboard are vacuum. When you flush the waste is sucked away with only a tiny amount of water (about a cup full). The holding tank is a biosphere (never use bleach to clean toilets the engineer will kill you and feed you to the biome) and is looked after very carefully to keep the tank “healthy”. If the biosphere is looked after well then the tank volume and smells are well controlled. The contents will be pumped out either alongside or to a waste collection ship (who take all the grey water (sullage) and oil slurry off too).

Subs can be maintained this way by support vessels at sea. Human waste, as with the macerated food waste and sullage can be pumped out into the sea. There are laws governing where and how this can be done.

There is an officer onboard who has responsibility for working out the water requirements of the ship. All the fuel for the ship must be sufficient for the journey along with domestic water and fire fighting fresh water. Then you need to balance the storage of all these (water, fuel, oil, sullage, bilge water/oil) and pump them across tanks to maintain stability. Water can be produced by processing sea water mostly using Reverse Osmosis. This is done by the engineers on instruction of the cargo officer. It’s all fascinating stuff. Submarines will have similar challenges but they don’t use diesel fuel as they are nuclear powered. I know that stability underwater is completely different to stability on the water and now I’m curious so I’m going to ask about that now 🤔

NotExactlyHappyToHelp · 30/08/2021 09:32

@SpindleWhorl

They keep slim by pedalling the boat in a secret back room. That's the massive secret they're all covering up.
This made me proper snicker Grin
thegcatsmother · 30/08/2021 09:35

Poshjock Water is pumped between tanks to trim the boat to the required depth.
X2boys A submarine will use other shipping to hide underneath, mask their signature. Quite often done in WW2.

FYI, there are submarines and then there are targets.

SlatternIsMyMiddleName · 30/08/2021 09:36

Nothing, nothing would get me on board a submarine.

I felt a weight on my chest just watching the program last night. I did yell at the tv at one point - take that bloody polo neck off and you will feel better.

Anyway - all respect to those who serve. Your brain must be wired differently to mine.

Poshjock · 30/08/2021 09:36

The reactor is completely enclosed. You get more exposure in an CT scanner.

Notavegan · 30/08/2021 09:43

It's an interesting watch. But I must have been annoying in my ranting about how unrealistic it was. Following with interest to learn more about submarine life

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 30/08/2021 09:48

Fascinating thread! There was an episode of Vera where she had to go into a military base to investigate a soldier's death. It was explained that it was a recent change in the law. Previously the military police would have done it (as I know from Cormoran Strike - addicted to crime drama here!).

Greyhare · 30/08/2021 10:13

I have been on a submarine, I couldn't do it now, but a family member was on the subs and they used to do a family day where family members could go out for the day and have a little cruise around a little dive, be served lunch then resurface and dock, it was amazing and yet also terrifying, I was very pleased when the hatch reopened at the end of the day, it was over 30 years ago and seemed a very much smaller boat than the one on the show. I think you have be of a very certain mindset to be a submariner.

CrumpetsForAll · 30/08/2021 10:23

@SlatternIsMyMiddleName yeah she must have been cooking in that v stylish chunky knit- everyone else had shirt sleeves on... and unfeasibly neat hair as I now know. I wish they’d had her arrive in the hatch and be all ‘Christ alive it STINKS in here!’

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MrsFin · 30/08/2021 10:59

Apparently submariners are advised not to drive for a week or so after a stint, because their eyes aren’t used to long distance vision. That freaked me out a bit!

John McCarthy said something similar. He'd lost all sense of perspective and couldn't work out why some cattle (far away) were smaller than other cattle (closer), until he realised.

(He was kidnapped and kept hostage in a cell in Lebanon for about 5 years)

HenriettaBadger · 30/08/2021 11:04

[quote CrumpetsForAll]@NiceGerbil oh yeah- it’s not like Major Tim Peake came back with double chins either...

It’s a crime drama. A submariner dies and for reasons I’m not super clear on the normal police investigate. It’s Suranne Jones and so far she seems to have found space for her hairdryer and straighteners in her bag...[/quote]
I really enjoyed the first episode last night and am looking forward to tonight's. I must say, I realised I was a little hazy as to the why the police were brought in, so I read some news articles, which said it was because they were in British waters when the murder happened and the law says the police have to investigate.

This thread has been fascinating-submarines truly are their own little world. Thank god there are people who are willing to serve as I don't think I would cope being that close to so many people for such a long time in so small a place, all respect and thanks in the world to them!

Shurl · 30/08/2021 11:17

@CrumpetsForAll

Is it safe to be that close to nuclear stuff all day? Isn’t it radioactive?
It's not really an issue, due to the presence and placement of lots of lead shielding and the positioning of the reactor onboard means its very well contained in most of the boat. It's not like you can just walk up to it. And the few areas that are exposed to higher levels of radiation have time limits for access
CrumpetsForAll · 30/08/2021 11:25

@Shurl Thankyou! The show made it look a bit like you could just mooch about and have a quiet chat/do a murder near all this radioactive stuff.

I think I’d have a huge panic attack on one- which must have happened at some point. The whole set up makes my ‘working from home makes it hard to switch off from the office’ moans from the past year seen rather churlish...

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TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 30/08/2021 11:37

@MrsFin

John McCarthy said something similar. He'd lost all sense of perspective and couldn't work out why some cattle (far away) were smaller than other cattle (closer), until he realised.

Wasn't it Father Dougal who thought that?

SavageBeauty73 · 30/08/2021 11:46

Why is she in cashmere jumpers?????? She must be boiling.