WTF is happening in Afghanistan?

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Kabul will fall soon, and the Taliban will control the whole country.

The rights of women and girls will go back to the dark ages, along with rights for any other liberal view/s. In a few years, the UN will declare a humanitarian crisis and then what, we're back to square one?

The US is highly unlikely to commit to troops, same goes for us here in the UK. What about China? Surely a stable Middle East is in their best interest? Russia? The other 'stan nations??

I understand there are Afghans that do prefer life under the Taliban, but surely that's a small minority group?

I'm not a foreign affairs expert so would really like some help on this one!

@BrozTito

They did the same thing with the kurdss, kitten. No suprise. Trump is just as guilty.

this is true :(

It's an absolute betrayal at its worst.
A betrayal of the Afghan civilians who were maimed and killed.
A betrayal of the armed forces who were maimed and killed.
A betrayal of the Afghan females. These poor females are subjected to horror's and deaths in the most horrifying ways that we wouldn't even begin to want to imagine.
They're not allowed an education, so there will be a shortage of female led healthcare. They're not allowed to receive male led healthcare, so essentially they're being condemned to either live in terrible pain, or will die through the lack of medical intervention.
Betrayal at its worst!

This is just bizarre, if i knew the afghan army would collapse in weeks on their own having spent a short time there and read some books, why didnt the US and NATO? I think they did know and are bullshitting. Guardian also reporting kabul as now fallen but peacefully. www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/15/a-tale-of-two-armies-why-afghan-forces-proved-no-match-for-the-taliban

Broz if they did know and its staggering to think they didn't but why not implement a better exit plan?.
Why have this mad scramble? Putting lives at risk?

W
30000 people are apparently waiting to get out? What if the airport falls??

What about the pr fall out?

Why didn't they they open up channels months ago to process afghan staff, if needed.. Allow women and children to leave.. If needed..

It probably could have been handled better but can NATO keep a country in some kind of administrative intensive care for ever more? The reason so many are rolling over is they feel the Taliban will deal with endemic corruption which blights . 20 years, billions spent, lives lost and the country has not reformed itself. I feel it’s right to get out. By all means use espionage, take out terorrist cells remotely etc. No need to be there for evermore. Biden is right not to kick the can down the road. What worries me is there’s going to be a surge in cheap heroin hitting our streets as the Taliban seek to raise cash. Drug overdose figures are going to be even grimmer next year.

“ which blights all levels of public like in Afghanistan”.

Another afghanistan documentary worth watching by the same filmaker who did This is What Wiinning Looks Like, this time british troops training and fighting with more stoned afghan army inbetween nearly being bomed by US air cover.

Oh my god. Broz, will watch.

Unbelievable.

Yes, it is a betrayal. Of a country that should never have been invaded by the US and UK in the first place - one of the Labour government's many crimes (Iraq anyone?).

As to who cares about the lives lost - civilians and soldiers? Nobody cares. The soldiers were mostly young men, twenty years later who is 'helping for heroes'? At least we won't see any more maimed young men coming home to grotesque celebrations while receiving no mental health support and eventually ending up begging on the street and being shunned by the people who, safe in their beds, cheered them on to go to another country to do what they were unwilling to do themselves in the first place.

The civilians......well nobody cared about them in the first place.

A tragedy for Afghan women, absolutely. This is like going from the frying pan into the fire (after all, it wasn't as if the pre-Taliban government was a spectacular example of liberality and progressiveness, was it?). But let's not forget that the whole region is shot through with deeply medieval attitudes to women.

And in the meantime, UK and US feminists will say and do nothing, while happily supping their lattes, enjoying their rights and not daring speak up for sisters in countries where oppression is not just real and serious, it is often fatal - and far more frequently than in the West.

So yes, WTF is going on in Afghanistan. WTF has been going on there for hundreds of years.

good point about the shocking treatment of returning troops. regardless of your feelings of the war they should be supported.

Those wanting to help/support Afghan women and girls in some way: havea look at Sanaa Alimia twitter feed. There's a fair bit available this morning, for obvious reasons. I don't envy progressive Afghans one bit right now. They'll be fearing death, if they're not already dead. twitter.com/SanaaAlimia/status/1426984982791208963

@OhGiveUp

It's an absolute betrayal at its worst. A betrayal of the Afghan civilians who were maimed and killed. A betrayal of the armed forces who were maimed and killed. A betrayal of the Afghan females. These poor females are subjected to horror's and deaths in the most horrifying ways that we wouldn't even begin to want to imagine. They're not allowed an education, so there will be a shortage of female led healthcare. They're not allowed to receive male led healthcare, so essentially they're being condemned to either live in terrible pain, or will die through the lack of medical intervention. Betrayal at its worst!

This. Translators and anyone who's worked with UK and US troops will no doubt be shot/killed. It's absolutely shit.

There are appalling scenes at the airport. American troops shooting at people trying to get out. Those poor sods.

I don't know who this woman is, but she has written ways to help, things to do and to not do.
twitter.com/Bushra_Ebadi/status/1426668485153890304

Nearly always, absolutely.

Cfs Kate that's a great link thank you.

That twitter feed also links an interesting article on who funds the taliban and how jaw droppingly rich they are

Doodle please don't pass on unverified reports about shooting.

@Panickingpavlova It had been widely reported in the news regarding US troops firing warning shots at the airport.

Off course warning shots would be fired anyone where crowds are panicking & flights are taking off. It's completely illogical to expect people to queue calmly.

@paepoyrol

Off course warning shots would be fired anyone where crowds are panicking & flights are taking off. It's completely illogical to expect people to queue calmly.

This^ (and it’s been reported by several sources).

If the ground forces can’t keep the taxiways and runways clear then the evacuation will have to stop and then absolutely everything and pretty much everybody is screwed.

People need to be ready for the possibility that crowd control could get even more robust if situation at the airport really starts to deteriorate.

[quote CFSKate]I don't know who this woman is, but she has written ways to help, things to do and to not do.
twitter.com/Bushra_Ebadi/status/1426668485153890304[/quote]
"If you are not an expert on Afghanistan, have not been keeping up with what has been occurring, and are not directly impacted by what is happening don't share your unsolicited opinions and takes"

"Avoid simplistic narratives that paint the situation as an internal dispute between tribes and factions. If you're not acknowledging the historic and ongoing role of various actors, then you're contributing to misinformation"

"Instead follow and amplify the voices, work, and initiatives of Afghan activists, leaders, journalists, artists, and researchers"

Very good advice!!

Another thing to conisider is that in this sort of situation men who are considered the enemy are more likely than women to be killed on sight(the fate of women/girls is bad but they are generally less likely to be killed on sight)

Less likely to be killed on sight, but as likely to be killed in other ways.
The fate facing the females is horrendous and the men are running away without a single shit being given for them.

Yes but warning shots and shooting dead people fleeing are two different things.
It's been said they do not know how these poor people lost their lives, crushed, fallen, shot they don't know.

My cat..

My observation on the men fleeing and leaving the women to me indicates the two tier system in place for men and women.. It's a split society spilt on sex.

The argument re why doesn't hold. It's sadly just the way it is and is in countries where women are seen in a different way and raised in a different way.

The argument re why doesn't hold. It's sadly just the way it is and is in countries where women are seen in a different way and raised in a different way.

Yep