Highest temperature ever recoded in Europe - Italy today

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yet to be confirmed, but if this is right,

The Italian island of Sicily may have registered the hottest temperature ever recorded in Europe, 48.8C (119.8F).

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58130893

No doubt the usual suspects will roll up saying this is all totally natural, and nothing to do with human impact on the planet

But I think most of us realise, we need to act decisively, and fast.

I am emailing my MP again, tonight, at ask what immediate actions the government are taking

I didn’t think anyone was dismissing climate change anymore. It’s with us right now and we’re all doomed. Once you just accept that life becomes much easier to live day by day.

I just don't think you can keep prodding a fear response to make all that happen. I think, long term, it leads to apathy.

@FreeBritnee

I didn’t think anyone was dismissing climate change anymore. It’s with us right now and we’re all doomed. Once you just accept that life becomes much easier to live day by day.

Agree - same with covid you can still do what you can to mitigate but while still getting on with your life and not over restricting

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Ime once it hits 40 it's so hot already you don't notice the extra degrees

I'll take your word for it but I hope not to find out.

It'd be interesting to find out if the excess hospital admissions and deaths are similar between 40 - 48 degrees. Is there an upper limit where the damage is done and it makes no difference thereafter?

I honestly wouldn’t care if I didn’t have children. I think the human race is vile and the quicker we’re all gone the better. But obviously the pain and suffering involved in that end result has to make me think differently. Which is annoying.

@PlanDeRaccordement

“Ever recorded” and how far back do these records go? Hmmmm I see from article it looks like highest recorded per the WMO which has only existed since 1957.

So yeah, know for a fact Italy was warmer in the 13th C than it is now...and with no air con invented yet. How did they survive?

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Exactly what I was going to say. "Highst temperature ever recorded". They haven't been recorded for that long in the grand scheme of things.

I'd say fear was a pretty effective motivator tbh, it's the reason I got rid of our car and the reason I haven't flown in 5 years (due to climate change that is, not fear of flying), and also the reason I'm active with my local climate change group- fear for the future of my son. If climate change wasn't utterly terrifying, why would I care?

@FreeBritnee

I honestly wouldn’t care if I didn’t have children. I think the human race is vile and the quicker we’re all gone the better. But obviously the pain and suffering involved in that end result has to make me think differently. Which is annoying.

Bet you live in a house, use electrical goods, have a car, use the supermarket etc.

Bet you live in a house, use electrical goods, have a car, use the supermarket etc

Errrrm what has that got to do with what I wrote? Unless you misinterpreted my post

I understand what @FreeBritnee means. It's easy to be passive if you're 50 and know you won't be around for the worst of it. But my son is only 11 and when I think about what his life might be like when he's my age, it is really bleak.

@FreeBritnee

Bet you live in a house, use electrical goods, have a car, use the supermarket etc

Errrrm what has that got to do with what I wrote? Unless you misinterpreted my post

Well apparently we are all vile, for I'm assuming ruining the planet, yet you're participating.

We need more lockdowns then, that made changes last time didn't it? I seem to remember hardly any vehicles on roads and environmental changes were apparent. Or were those photos of clean rivers and the can always in Venice. All made up?

Because it's for the best and will improve the quality of our children's lives in the future? Because a lot of the changes that are required bring additional benefits; green fuels improve air quality now, eating less meat improves your health now, good public transport is a benefit to communities now, because innovations in the green economy bring job opportunities and growth now, because well made clothes last longer, etc, etc.

Yes, some people have made changes off the back of fear but clearly that fear hasn't motivated the vast majority of others. Instead they feel as though disaster is inevitable and they may as well enjoy things while they last. Ratcheting up the fear won't nudge people, not for long in any case.

I'll tell you what the government could do to help — realise that newer technologies will be more expensive than ones that have been developed.

There's a tidal turbine power plant in Scotland that was funded for the first two development phases. It works well, provides huge amounts of consistent power.

Before the scale-up phase, the ring-fenced funding for marine installations was removed, and instead it went into the general "green electricity" funding pool. Against wind energy. Which is massively more developed and therefore cheaper per unit.

The way funding is allocated at the moment doesn't drive new and improved technology — it favours stuff that's a bit further on in development even if it actually isn't as good.

We need multiple solutions, not just the cheapest at the point the funds are allocated getting all the money.

@dreamingbohemian

My son is only 14 months old and I worry for his future.
Doubt he'll even be able to buy a house when he's my age (if we are still even here!).
Wonder what the average summer temp will be 20 years from now.

Well apparently we are all vile, for I'm assuming ruining the planet, yet you're participating

Yes.... and? I can hold a negative opinion that encompasses myself quite happily. As a species we are vile.

@dreamingbohemian

I understand what *@FreeBritnee* means. It's easy to be passive if you're 50 and know you won't be around for the worst of it. But my son is only 11 and when I think about what his life might be like when he's my age, it is really bleak.

Exactly. I do feel passive and have accepted it but then I think of my primary aged children and oh hell I can’t accept it can I? So I have to do what I can and pray that someone incredibly brilliant comes along with an idea that changes everything positively.

What I'm trying to do with my own child is just make sure he is informed about the world and try to encourage him to be resilient.

I don't think there will be one big apocalyptic moment or anything, it's just that life will become more unpredictable and difficult and then sometimes there will be these big emergencies and crises. So people will need to be more prepared to deal with all that. It's not going to be as easy as telling kids to go to uni, get a job and then just do that for the rest of your life. Everything will be more unpredictable.

@FreeBritnee

Well apparently we are all vile, for I'm assuming ruining the planet, yet you're participating

Yes.... and? I can hold a negative opinion that encompasses myself quite happily. As a species we are vile.

Why did you chose to have children if you are so worried about the future and disgusted by the human race?

Imagine what the colder nations are going to think about millions of displaced people from the hotter regions turning up at their country's borders wanting somewhere to live because their countries are now uninhabitable. I think things are going to end in bloodshed.

Better that its warming up than cooling down
We'd all be moving to Africa and south america to keep warm

@PlanDeRaccordement

common "false news" that the thirteenth century was warmer than now - in fact it wasn't.

In fact, it was warmer than present. It’s when the Vikings settled Greenland and Northern Canada, but then later had to abandon many settlements when temperatures cooled back down. It’s when we had many vineyards in Britain...which then disappeared during cooling period and are only recently reappearing. Look up Medieval Warm Period. Here is a Science Direct link to start you off on reading the thousands of research papers on it:
www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/medieval-warm-period

As to the question, how did "they" survive? (not humans, as it was pre-human)

You’re an idiot if you think 13 C humans were “pre human” they weren’t. Humans have been the current species they are for 300,000yrs and actually it was climate change that started their migrations out of Africa where they then interbred and replaced earlier human species such as the Neanderthals.

@PlanDeRaccordement

this is rubbish

you don't know what you are talking about

You don't have analytical skills to evaluate any of this garbage you are regurgitating.

Why not clear your mind and start again, with an open mind, and see what you learn.

how rude op!!

there no ned for that

*need