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Teachers... Is this normal? What do I do, if anything?

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opulentalligatorsalt · 01/08/2021 13:07

This is not a teacher bashing thread at all. It really really isn't. Please don't let's turn it into that.

Last year, my son (year 1) had a teacher who I didn't ever really get to know due to covid. She seemed fine though and I was very hands off during the year. Only met her once or twice for parents eve and the odd time when my son had misbehaved a bit or had an issue during the day.

His end of year reports was fine. He's meeting expectations or exceeding. I was pretty happy.

But then I got his books back at the end of the year. Every single book has been scribbled on the front of, every one. On some of the books he's written silly things like poo. The work inside the books is pretty shoddy at times, again he's sort of scribbled a bit on some pages. Lots of silly faces written in the corners of pages and at the back of the book.

His work is always untidy, and very few pieces are what I was expecting given that he's apparently at the expected level. He's only ever had a few pieces of written homework to do, but when we do, I work with him to get them neat and tidy. It's an effort for him as he is dyspraxic, but I was still quite surprised at how messy his books was. It looked to me like he wasn't ever really trying.

Only a handful of pieces of work seemed to be marked. I'm not sure if this is usual? Perhaps it is, I just don't know!

He had a folder of worksheets he had done. I would say that 50% of the worksheets, he had just defaced. Either not completing them correctly, just sort of doodling or scribbling on them. On comprehension style sheets he'd answered the questions in a really silly way, with stupid answers like "she did that because she's dumb".

Like I said, this is not a teacher bashing thread. I know full well that my child is the one who is doing this in the first place. He absolutely shouldn't be writing things like this, and he should be trying his best as much as he can. I know a lot of fault is with him.

But equally... Is this ok? Is this what it's like? Is this what school work that comes home is like? Is it normal? He is still only 6 so I'm not expecting miracles, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't shocked and a bit disappointed. It's not nice to feel disappointed in the work your child brings home from school 😟. I made sure we gave him lots of praise for all the decent bits he bought home but they really were few and far between.

I have obviously spoken to him about some parts of it, the doodling and just not doing th worksheets at all. We've talked about what's appropriate and about always trying our best. He seemed a bit embarrassed about it but I don't want to dwell on it too much.

I would like to speak to his new teacher at the start of the year and just say I was quite upset with the state of some of the things he had done. I will not be blaming the teacher, as I don't think it's worth it. She left the school at the end of this year anyway. I more want to know the same thing won't happen again, and that we can work together to help him improve his attitude a bit. I know that a lot of the 'blame' lies with him for doing this stuff in the first place.

But like I said, I'm not a teacher. Maybe I'm expecting too much? Maybe this is normal? It's an ofsted outstanding school but because of the pandemic we have been very distant and only been into the actual building three times during reception. So I feel quite cut off from it all. Cut off from how much I should speak to the teacher, what we should expect, what's normal etc.

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saraclara · 01/08/2021 16:28

@viviennedoesitagain

You wouldn't get that kind of nonsense tolerated at private school.

Can you afford to send him there instead of what passes for state education these days?

It wouldn't be tolerated in any state school I've worked in or that my own kids have been to either.

Someone has definitely taken their eye off the ball here, and there's no excuse. As an ex head of key stage, there's no way that anyone in my department would have got away with letting that kind of thing pass.

I'll ask to meet/speak to her early on and discuss the concerns. Hopefully that'll be enough. Along with my discussions with him.

Yes, I think that's the best approach. Explain that you were shocked to see what he'd been producing at school (as opposed to what you saw when you monitored his homework) as you'd not been given any indication that he wasn't taking the tasks seriously. Show her the books, and ask her to let you know straight away if he doesn't apply himself as you know he can, as you want him to make a fresh and more purposeful start.

User5827372728 · 01/08/2021 16:32

@FenceSplinters

Must have missed the memos not to mark books properly for the last 17 months!!!! Seriously?

OP- his books shouldn’t be scribbled all over, he shouldn’t be allowed to write silly/rude things, the teacher sounds lazy at best. I would raise it

newnortherner111 · 01/08/2021 16:39

You have concerns about the support he is getting given his SN, which is recognised. Enough reason to want to speak with the school about how he can be supported (SENCO perhaps) and bring some examples.

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CoronaPeroni · 01/08/2021 16:45

Is it possible that the defacing of the books was done on the last day? Giving out all the books/art/sheets at the end of term takes an age and I have seen children flicking through their books and giving themselves extra ticks etc instead of putting them into a bag straight away!

opulentalligatorsalt · 01/08/2021 16:55

@CoronaPeroni that is actually a possibility and I hadn't thought about that. It wouldn't explain the lack of independent work / marking but it would reassure me a bit. I will ask him about it.

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Tal45 · 01/08/2021 16:58

That sounds like one bored child who is being given work that hasn't been properly differentiated for him so he is writing stupid answers because it's so pointless and because he knows no one is going to look at it. Mine has dyspraxia and asd and would probably do the same to amuse himself and show off a bit if he thought he could get away with it.

I would ask to have him sat right at the front of the class in front the teacher, then she can keep an eye, he will not feel like he is just left to his own devices so much and if he struggles with filtering out distractions or concentrating on listening to instructions it will help with that too.

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 01/08/2021 17:01

No books/work would be allowed to remain defaced in my school/class. If possible, I make the child fix it by rubbing it out or covering it.

As for the marking, it depends on school policy.

VaguelyInteresting · 01/08/2021 17:07

I think in your place I’d be asking to speak to a member of the SLT, to talk about how you think the books are demonstrating that your child needs more support than he received in Year 1. I’d also take his Reception books to show the comparison.

I wouldn’t go in on the offensive, but more “how can we work together to support DS, because I know despite his dyspraxia he’s capable of more than this, and I want to see him achieve it”.

Disarm with charm- but be very firm. It sounds like he’s been totally let down by his teacher last year

SecondRow · 01/08/2021 17:10

I think just figure out something with the new teacher at the beginning of term that will give you sight of his work regularly. Your son is well capable so just needs to know that school and home are in touch and have shared standards. Maybe he'll be more challenged by the year 2 work anyway.

beigerocket · 01/08/2021 17:11

Is it definitely the class teacher?

In my school we’ve had lots of staff shielding so we’ve had supply or higher level TAs covering and our policy is to only mark the work we’ve taught so sometimes stuff does get missed if the supply forgot.

But if that’s not the case, this is not great. And as a parent I’d definitely bring it up and possibly with the senior leadership team as if the teacher isn’t doing their job properly (and this doesn’t sound like they are) SLT need to be aware.

We usually have our books periodically looked over by SLT or cross school and year group moderation, but that hasn’t happened this year for obvious reasons so I can see how this has not been picked up.

User5827372728 · 01/08/2021 17:12

@BeingATwatItsABingThing

My old HOD spent/wasted a whole day before Ofsted coming in Tippexing scribbles off about 300 kids books!!!!!!!!

Tal45 · 01/08/2021 17:16

Oh discreet fiddle toy might also help if he is doodling while instructions are being given.

Bortles · 01/08/2021 17:23

I was reading this thinking he was in high school in which case he needed more support with the work and cracking down on his respect for property ie his book. But then I saw he was six. No need to panic OP. Let him see another child's book so he knows what's expected. Give him a notebook to scribble in and keep schoolbook for neat, best writing. Practice handwriting and vocab with him as well as comprehension ie. Character motivations and feelings. But...he's six.

opulentalligatorsalt · 01/08/2021 17:31

So I could bring it up with SLT but the teacher concerned has left. I'm hoping, based on other peoples responses, it's not a school wide thing. So maybe the teacher is enough? But equally, maybe SLT need to know?!

Will definitely be going in like a PP suggested, not on the offensive. It's certainly not his new teachers fault. Definitely want to help them work with him and make sure he's better supported. I have suggested fiddle toys before but they said no.

He has a myPlan for his dyspraxia but that's hasn't been followed this year at all. The intervention he was due hasn't happened. So perhaps it is SLT after all?!

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VaguelyInteresting · 01/08/2021 17:37

@opulentalligatorsalt

I would say SLT because although the teacher has left, there’s clearly been a failure of oversight- plus, SLT will be able to have a conversation with you about last year, in a way that his new teacher won’t be politically/professionally able to, necessarily.

rc22 · 01/08/2021 17:39

I would bring it up with the head teacher/SLT rather than the new teacher.

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 01/08/2021 17:48

[quote User5827372728]@BeingATwatItsABingThing

My old HOD spent/wasted a whole day before Ofsted coming in Tippexing scribbles off about 300 kids books!!!!!!!![/quote]
Good lord! No I don’t do that. I tend to find that making the child remove it themselves a couple of times sorts the issue. If it can’t be removed, I leave a comment next to it so it’s clear I’ve acknowledged it and it’s not condoned.

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 01/08/2021 17:51

I have suggested fiddle toys before but they said no.

In my experience, fiddle toys caused more distraction for the children given them and also distracted the children around them too. Obviously, I haven’t met your son though.

OhTheTastyNuts · 01/08/2021 18:18

Are they definitely his proper books/sheets from lessons and not just random bits/jotters from his tray that he's been doodling on during indoor playtimes etc?

We mainly got the latter back for DS2. I know his proper books will come home at some point next year.

KitKatKong · 01/08/2021 18:33

Not normal and presentation should b checked. Check the school's marking policy (usually on school website) and then talk to teacher. I'd also suggest frequent book checks too so you're also holding your child to account. As a teacher, parental support is invaluable.

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