Man sexually assaulted by two women

[SantaSue]

Not sure if there is already a thread on this but I'll be interested to see the outcome of this case:
www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/crime/two-teenage-women-19-appear-at-portsmouth-court-charged-with-sexually-assaulting-man-by-slapping-his-bottom-3329006

We can’t have it both ways. It’s either acceptable to slap strangers on the arse or it isn’t. We can’t treat people differently based on their gender

@Sirzy

We can’t have it both ways. It’s either acceptable to slap strangers on the arse or it isn’t. We can’t treat people differently based on their gender

Sex.

@RoseRedRoseBlue

What? You want sexual assault to be taken seriously, or you don’t. Of course they should be treated the same

In an ideal world I’d like all sexual assault to be treated seriously but be based on individual fact patterns. So no I don’t think all cases should be treated equal.

For example I believe raping a toddler should be treated as more serious than raping an adult. The vulnerability of the victim, at least in my mind, plays a significant role in how an offence should be treated. So no. Not the same.

Just a slap on the arse? Sheesh...

@MrsSkylerWhite

Michaelknightsleatherjacket

@Orf1abc
What part of
LOOKS LIKE A MAN don’t you understand?
I’m wondering if these ‘women’ are in fact, MEN?!
They look to me like a pair of men. I wonder if that’s why the victim was so keen to press charges“

Are you booking at the photos that apply to the report or the two men further down relating to a different story?

I can only see one photo with this story, a blonde haired woman with glasses in a white top. No photo of the other.

Keep scrolling down past the ad after the 1st picture. Theres another person further below.

[quote PegasusReturns]@RoseRedRoseBlue

What? You want sexual assault to be taken seriously, or you don’t. Of course they should be treated the same

In an ideal world I’d like all sexual assault to be treated seriously but be based on individual fact patterns. So no I don’t think all cases should be treated equal.

For example I believe raping a toddler should be treated as more serious than raping an adult. The vulnerability of the victim, at least in my mind, plays a significant role in how an offence should be treated. So no. Not the same.[/quote]
This is a seperate offence category already

@MrsJBaptiste

Just a slap on the arse? Sheesh...

That's the headline. If you read it 3 women arrested, two slapped a man's backside, one of them plus another also for affray, the 3rd woman also for ABH on another woman.

They've just gone for a more sensational headline to attract attention and it's worked. I don't suppose any of us would have heard about it if the head line was about the ABH.

@RoseRedRoseBlue

I’m not sure what your point is.

My position is that the characteristics of the victim are, and should, be relevant to how seriously an offence is treated.

Woman says man slaps her on the area and it gets the funding to go to court. Nope.

Woman gets raped and it hardly gets to court never mind conviction

Arse ffs

[quote PegasusReturns]@RoseRedRoseBlue

I’m not sure what your point is.

My position is that the characteristics of the victim are, and should, be relevant to how seriously an offence is treated.[/quote]
That’s not what you said in your first post, when you questioned whether it was fair to treat female sexual assault perpetrators the same as male ones. My point is that it is entirely reasonable to do so. The law should be equally applicable and equitable.

Here we go again. Two 'women' accused of a sexual assault. And where will these two charmers do time if handed a custodial sentence.

This whole gender thing stinks.

We can’t have it both ways. It’s either acceptable to slap strangers on the arse or it isn’t. We can’t treat people differently based on their gender

It isn't acceptable. But when so many accusations of rape don't even get to court, this feels like extreme double standards. As a pp said, though, there's more to this than a slap on the arse.

Scarlet has an impressive Adam's apple, there.

Jesus christ, I've regularly been mistaken for a man. It doesn't mean I am one. Do you know how much damage this speculation does to Butch/gender nonconforming women?

Emergency it is the regular misreporting in the press that causes the suspicion,
The two accused with photographs (not cropped in the National tabloids) weren’t dressed androgynously. Both were wearing “sexy lady” dresses for their appearance in court.
Gender non-confirming is different in women. For instance I am gender non-conforming, ie I try to resist stereotypes; no make up, short hair etc. I would have to find/borrow a smart outfit for a court appearance.

@RoseRedRoseBlue there’s no conflict between my posts.

Women are significantly more vulnerable than men: 25% of women have been raped. 90% have been sexually harassed.

Men commit 98% of those sexual assaults.

It’s entirely reasonable to decide that a man being slapped on the arse by a woman is less serious than a woman being slapped on the arse by a man.

Re sex I’m pretty sure Scarlett is female. Her socials are easy enough to find.

The charge seems to be part of a bigger pattern of offending that night and it’s not uncommon for smaller offences which would not be charged in isolation to be tacked on to much more serious charges (in this case affray).

@Michaelknightsleatherjacket. stop trolling

@NetballHoop

I'm all in favour of this as long as every case that happens to a woman gets the same attention

Exactly.

@idontlikealdi

Woman says man slaps her on the area and it gets the funding to go to court. Nope.

Woman gets raped and it hardly gets to court never mind conviction

If woman slapped during a public affray with someone getting hurt, ABH, then I think the police would arrest them all just like in this case.

@EmergencyHydrangea

Jesus christ, I've regularly been mistaken for a man. It doesn't mean I am one. Do you know how much damage this speculation does to Butch/gender nonconforming women?

I have thought this many times, you have confirmed my concerns. I am sorry you are subjected to this, people's conviction that they can always tell has been proved wrong so many times.

@OneEpisode

Emergency it is the regular misreporting in the press that causes the suspicion, The two accused with photographs (not cropped in the National tabloids) weren’t dressed androgynously. Both were wearing “sexy lady” dresses for their appearance in court. Gender non-confirming is different in women. For instance I am gender non-conforming, ie I try to resist stereotypes; no make up, short hair etc. I would have to find/borrow a smart outfit for a court appearance.

So you are judging women on how they dress? They have to dress in a way you consider appropriate? Are we back in the 50s?

I had my arse groped by an 80 odd year old man two years ago after I helped him cross a road. I reported that to the police. All I got was an apology letter written by his granddaughter. Nothing further. Now THAT was a sexual assault so as PPs have said, one rule for men and another for women.

ancienf I’m afraid that if you re-read my post, I am not judging the accused, I am judging the pp who implied that the accused were gender non-conforming. Being photographed with long hair and shiny pink ruffles is the epitome of girl stereotypes in the 50s?
Apologies if my fellow mumsnetter meant something else.
I have no info about the accused.