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2.2 billion wasted on useless ppe says report in telegraph

67 replies

Sanguinesuzy · 26/07/2021 09:52

Mind boggling amount. Not a million, 2 billion. The kind of money that funds national policies that can change lives. More than the entire schools recovery fund. One spanish intermediary was paid £38 million as commissions and delivered nothing. Now in USA. Pest control company in west sussex, no experience in ppe, produced £120 million wrongly specified ppe, but hey tory donors, no probs. Absolutely disgusting looting of the public purse but hey brexit done....

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Naaaaah · 28/07/2021 07:24

@Serenissima21

Everything is so easy if you can plan it on the past. That's why we have plans in place, rules that have to be followed - so that when the crisis comes we don't end up making it worse. The Tories didn't follow the rules. They gave the money to their mates - why do people not care?
I care. I care very much. I think there should be criminal investigations and key people held to account.
RunningAlong · 28/07/2021 07:25

What would be useful to know is who actually did the buying and who decided what was suitable and what wasn't? I'm pretty sure Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock didnt place or even sign off on individual orders and I believe some ventilators were rejected by the NHS as unsuitable ended up being used in Germany with no problems.

Naaaaah · 28/07/2021 07:26

@endofthelinefinally

And bona fide companies that make high quality ppe and have been doing so for decades couldn't even get to speak to anyone in either the NHS or the DOH or the cabinet office.
They were overwhelmed with companies making contact and I really do mean overwhelmed. I'm not excusing it for a second but inevitably it means that some companies just won't have heard back and it caused a lot of resentment and frustration.
Iggly · 28/07/2021 07:28

They were overwhelmed with companies making contact and I really do mean overwhelmed. I'm not excusing it for a second but inevitably it means that some companies just won't have heard back and it caused a lot of resentment and frustration

Er they should have known who the best suppliers were. Covid, we’ve been told so many times is “like the flu”, so for PPE they needed more of what was already in the system.

But time and time again, they went to their mates…. Once is forgivable but multiple times?

Iggly · 28/07/2021 07:29

@RunningAlong

What would be useful to know is who actually did the buying and who decided what was suitable and what wasn't? I'm pretty sure Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock didnt place or even sign off on individual orders and I believe some ventilators were rejected by the NHS as unsuitable ended up being used in Germany with no problems.
Matt Hancock’s local neighbour was given a contract I seem to recall.
Naaaaah · 28/07/2021 07:30

The people doing the buying at the start were utterly incompetent. Scummings was right about that. The incompetence didn't make it particularly difficult for anyone so minded to slip through dodgy deals.

Elys3 · 28/07/2021 07:32

@KeflavikAirport

Your weekly reminder that pandemic was top of the national risk register for years before covid and that the government should have had decent plans in place before it hit rather than pissing about with pointless other stuff, like Brexit. Particularly as Exercise Cygnus in 2016 pointed up all the weaknesses in our preparedness. This is 100% a Tory failing.
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Naaaaah · 28/07/2021 07:34

@Iggly

They were overwhelmed with companies making contact and I really do mean overwhelmed. I'm not excusing it for a second but inevitably it means that some companies just won't have heard back and it caused a lot of resentment and frustration

Er they should have known who the best suppliers were. Covid, we’ve been told so many times is “like the flu”, so for PPE they needed more of what was already in the system.

But time and time again, they went to their mates…. Once is forgivable but multiple times?

It's utterly unforgivable, I agree. However, existing companies couldn't fulfil the volume required. Demand went off the scale. So then when you're looking for new suppliers and you have thousands to chose from, many decent suppliers will inevitably be overlooked. Especially in the face of incompetence, lack of process and certain people looking to exploit the (lack of) system.
Noterook · 28/07/2021 07:34

Well it's not feasible to buy PPE that expires every few years just in case either really. The ideal way back when planning would be to have supply chain plans in place- factories that could adapt to making PPE if needed (as happened part way through), plans for ensuring access to materials, they degenerate slower than PPE that has been assembled, maybe even keeping a store of that.

It was like the wild west on that front at the start of the pandemic, every country wanted it (including the one who makes most of ours who funnily enough stopped exporting to us). The companies who say they didn't get a response, the tender was open, of course they aren't going to get a response bloody emailing a random email, that's not how it works.

The deplorable bit is those that went through private channels and were awarded to people they knew without due process. Some of the costs were inevitable given the market, desperation- but that bit is inexcusable.

KeflavikAirport · 28/07/2021 07:34

Everything is so easy if you can plan it on the past.

You don't think the government has a responsibility to plan for future events? Well, it's a refreshing take, I'll give you that.

Iggly · 28/07/2021 07:35

It's utterly unforgivable, I agree. However, existing companies couldn't fulfil the volume required

You say that with such certainty but you don’t know (unless you work for the department of health).

Naaaaah · 28/07/2021 07:35

@Iggly

It's utterly unforgivable, I agree. However, existing companies couldn't fulfil the volume required

You say that with such certainty but you don’t know (unless you work for the department of health).

I do know.
MissyB1 · 28/07/2021 07:37

Jeez the people on here excusing this frankly criminal activity by our Government horrifies and depresses me. You do realise these horrendous mistakes cost lives - particularly NHS staff lives don’t you? The very people who were caring for Covid patients didn’t have enough of the right PPE! Boris had his own life saved by the NHS! Ffs I despair I really do.
Yes they knew a pandemic was coming, they had been told for years. Then we started seeing the evidence in our TV screens, still Boris and his mates prioritised Brexit. Then as the shit hit the fan they saw chances to line the Tory party pockets.

And lots of their supporters are fine with that. Says it all really.

Iggly · 28/07/2021 07:41

Well it's not feasible to buy PPE that expires every few years just in case either really

The Department for Health does exactly that.

I don’t expect the department to have enough PPE for a pandemic but agree it needs the supply chains in place and a proper plan for dealing with one of their top risks.

The truth is, that they were complacent. And probably felt quite heady with throwing money under the cover of a pandemic.

I was working in a local authority at the start of covid and was shocked at how shit central government were at dealing with front line covid issues. Local government were much better at dealing with things, but didn’t give the money to the right organisations.

So I can well imagine how the PPE and test and trace scandal happened. The government didn’t trust the people who had the skills and expertise to deal with this.

BigGreen · 28/07/2021 07:42

I care, it's clear this wasn't just panic buying - there's clear evidence of cronyism from this 'VIP lane'. I mean the Matt Hancock pub landlord story - you couldn't make it up! Is no one ever going to be held accountable for doing a shit job in the U.K.? We have got such low expectations.

Iggly · 28/07/2021 07:45

I do know

In that case, why not increase their capacity or have them oversee the right production? Instead of asking “friends” with no experience at all to do this?

GrealishHairband · 28/07/2021 07:51

@BananaMilkshakeWithCream well you do you. I’ll sit over here and play with the people who don’t consistently defend the absolute cunts in the Tory party with whataboutery regarding Labour.

What Labour might or might not have done is completely irrelevant, they weren’t the party in power, making the decisions or greasing the pole for any Tom Dick or Harry who would give Matt Hancock a flash of their knickers. They’re liars, cheats, devoid of morals and shame. Scoundrels.

Paquerette · 28/07/2021 07:53

@LemonRoses

Labour might not age paid their jeweller friends or those with no experience whatsoever to do it.

That said, the amount pales into insignificance when compared to 39 billion for a failed track and trace.

It’s Test and Trace, so pays for all the millions of tests done each week, not just contact tracing.
LemonRoses · 28/07/2021 08:12

Did hasty decisions need to be made?
No, there was plenty of notice through Operation Cygnus. The report on Exercise Cygnus, the simulation of a fictitious influenza pandemic, warned that the UK’s preparedness and response, in terms of its plans, policies, and capability, was not sufficient to cope with the extreme demands of a severe pandemic that would have a nationwide impact across all sectors.

On 9 June 2020 Lord Bethel told the HoL that, “All the recommendations from Exercise Cygnus were accepted and taken on board. Many of these proved invaluable for informing the response to Covid, including plans for legislation that would assist in response measures, for bringing back retired clinical staff, for flexing systems beyond normal capacity and for establishing a group of expert advisers on moral, ethical and spiritual issues.”

This simply wasn’t true. Like much other information about the pandemic response, it was a lie.

One only needs to consider the care sector to understand the devastating impact of this. To deal with the expected surge of NHS patients expected in the event of a pandemic, the exercise identified that extra capacity was required in care homes. Why was that not heeded? Instead PPE redirected away from care homes and the NHS was given a clear instruction to send vulnerable people to care homes despite no testing for infection being available.

That is one of the reasons for our genocidal excess death rate, one of the highest in the world. We all know Boris Johnson said he didn’t mind seeing bodies piled high. Tragically, each one of those bodies leaves behind devastated family and friends, it was individuals who died, real people and not just statistics.

Was it very different to flu - the subject virus of Cygnus? In some ways, yes. However we have seen previous epidemics of Coronavirus origin -SARS and MERs. Countries that have successfully managed these had strategies based on detection and containment, and they fared much better in terms of mortality and preservation of social structure during the COVID epidemic. Meanwhile our unimaginably expensive and failed track and trace system encouraged the spread of the Delta variant.

Johnson is leading by creating three word straplines he sings out in his faux bumbling bloke type way. The majority are sucked in. People say he’s getting things done when nothing can be further from the truth.

Surgical standard gloves are surgical standard gloves. The gloves don’t know what which virus it is. Unfortunately contracting with your mates from the pub, through a few emails and directing our civil service to bypass usual tendering processes meant the PPE was (and still isn’t) delivered or was unfit for healthcare settings. Meanwhile companies used to providing PPE were not offered contracts. Frontline staff in hospitals, GP practices and care homes had to source their own, make do and mend, or place themselves at increased risk. Many tragically died because of exposure at work.

The Nightingales were another nonsense. Stacked high with equipment, including PPE, but only used for publicity in most cases. The government were told they couldn’t be staffed, but wanted the public to be in awe at the speed of their response. Like Johnson’s garden bridge, they were vanity projects. They detracted from the actual battle staff were having to find intensive care beds every day. It was hard to find staff to transfer patients to an available bed, let alone staff a warehouse style ‘hospital ‘ that want fit for purpose.

Whole thing has been an unmitigated car crash from start to finish - when we could have done so well.

LemonRoses · 28/07/2021 08:13

Paquerette It is indeed, and that system should be worked together to ensure adequate containment. It never has been. It’s failed entirely.

Iggly · 28/07/2021 08:17

It’s Test and Trace, so pays for all the millions of tests done each week, not just contact tracing

Tests which were difficult to get, the test and trace system which failed to anticipate increased demand when schools went back to school… which sent people halfway across the country to get a test? Which used a big four accountancy firm to set up logistics (what the fuck??)

Yeah. Ok. Great work.

Naaaaah · 28/07/2021 08:23

@Iggly

I do know

In that case, why not increase their capacity or have them oversee the right production? Instead of asking “friends” with no experience at all to do this?

I'm agreeing with you.
FleetwoodRaincoat · 28/07/2021 08:26

37 billion on test and trace app that's useless? That's far worse.

Iggly · 28/07/2021 08:32

Sorry @Naaaaah
This whole thing gives me the rage 🤣

Weebleweeble · 28/07/2021 08:34

Labour were always hamstrung by the unions. I don't know what would have happened but Labour have to be seen to be fair including fair to the workers - it would have been all about screaming headlines 'health workers forced to work 12 hour days' - ' slave Labour in China making testing kits' etc etc because of this I think they'd have moved even more slowly than Cons.

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