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Child to Parent Violence - news article

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sunflowerdaysinmay · 25/07/2021 15:43

'You'd walk out if your husband hit you - you can't when it's your child'

www.bbc.com/news/stories-57942296*
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Has anyone seen this? That poor family must be at the end of their tether. I'd never considered child to parent violence in the context of DV. Reading about it makes me wonder how prevalent it actually is!? Am I just incredibly naive? Really shows how we don't know what goes on behind closed doors.

I hope they find the help that they need.

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Geneticsbunny · 25/07/2021 22:43

Our son has just started bein violent to us and his siblings because he is so traumatised by everything that has happened since the original covid lockdown and the complete lack of support we have had as a family.

cheapskatemum · 25/07/2021 22:47

I found The Challenging Behaviour Foundation to be the best organisation for genuine, practical help when DS2, (who has ASD, severe learning difficulties and is non verbal) started hitting, pulling my hair, grabbing and tearing my clothes and head butting.

SionnachRua · 25/07/2021 22:47

Yeah seems reasonably common, I grew up with an abusive autistic sibling. In his case he knew exactly what he was doing, he went for women and children (or a man he thought weaker than him). Made him feel powerful and all that shite. Took many, many years of therapy to overcome it.

I remember talking about it once on here and a wonderful poster came along to tell me how sorry she was for my dear brother, how dare I cut him out, I was actually abusing him all along...People can get very angry when you talk about this stuff.

IHaveBrilloHair · 25/07/2021 22:49

The "support" I got was a shitshow anyway.
Eventually Dd went into Care for 14 months.
I won't say they ever trued to get to the bottom of her behaviour or a diagnosis as they didn't, but the workers in the Unit she was in were mostly OK, some great and that was what she needed at the time, and me too, for her not to live here.
Of course they chucked her out just before she turned 16, as in Scotland, if you are in Care when you turn 16 they have a duty to help you until you are 21

drspouse · 25/07/2021 22:52

Our DS is too "complex" for mainstream school but not disabled enough for us to get any respite. It's shit.

megletthesecond · 25/07/2021 22:54

I get this from my tween dd, I get hurt quite often. Needless to say, the knives are hidden now as she threw one in my direction a few weeks ago.
There is no help, CAMHS are overwhelmed. My GP has tried to chase them up again.

IHaveBrilloHair · 25/07/2021 23:02

Dd punched me in the face in a CAMHS meeting.
The Dr said she hadn't seen it, and Dd then also shrieked that I hit her all the time and didn't love her.
Guess who had to deal with Social Work for that?
It was a v small room, you couldn't miss it
I actually think in hindsight that it was Dd's cry for help, as she knew she needed help, but CAMHS doing that meant she refused to see them ever again.

DrDreReturns · 25/07/2021 23:04

Had this with my 14 year old ds, albeit not frequently. He hasn't hit anyone yet but he's pushed people around. The funding for CAMHS is a disgrace and very short sighted, it's just storing problems up for the future.

DrDreReturns · 25/07/2021 23:05

I should have said lack of funding

isamonster · 25/07/2021 23:06

i am living with this too. Our social worker seemed to say it is all my fault when I saw her last week. I am a single mum copying with a large, hormonal 10 year-old dd who i couldn't love more. But she hits me and throws things at me oh and she has broken my finger, stamped on my foot and destroyed lots of things. I have to hide knives too. She has nearly killed me a couple of times - stairs, neoprene weights - she wouldn't have meant it.

When she's angry she tells me I deserve it. i am heartbroken but on i go, hoping for better days. I have given up on getting any real help. it seems everyone is a breaking point and i really don't want any more courses and strategies.

PicaK · 25/07/2021 23:10

It's so common that my relevant fb groups are just sort of shrugging in recognition going "yup that's what it's like" in a ground down way.

residenthedgehog · 25/07/2021 23:10

Namechanged for this because I don't want this tracking back to my usual username or indeed who I am IRL

I have a 7 year old son. I absolutely love him dearly, however he has complex SEND needs and there is a significant amount of CPA in my house. To put it in perspective his actions have ended up with me in hospital with broken bones. And I absolutely and totally love him with every fibre of my being.

He doesn't have a diagnosis because the area I live in doesn't dish them out without one hell of a fight but he is somewhere on the autistic spectrum. And has an extremely demand avoidant side to him. And lots of other additional needs besides. Essentially he has the size and strength of a 7 year old but the mentality of a toddler. As for the help- hahahaha. There isn't any. The sum total of the help available in my local authority is several parenting courses which are aimed very much towards neurotypical children. Which I have done, several times. Because if you don't do the damn courses you get threatened with childtens services and/or being obstructive. Parent blaming is always free and is very much the default option for my local authority. As is the 'That's what your DLA is for' which seems to be the other option my local authority LOVE.
And I can assure you it definitely isn't a parenting problem as I have other DC who don't have any additional needs and who are absolutely thriving. Moreso after I fitted a keypad code lock to my teenage child's door. To stop their brother from coming in and destroying their property and because if it isn't me my son is trying to attack then it's my teenager. Tonight because my husband had put too many bubbles in my son's bath, he had an hour long screaming meltdown involving verbal and physical abuse aimed towards me and damage to property. And when he had finally burnt himself out he had a cuddle with me and his favourite cuddly toy. Because no matter how horrible he can be towards me at the end of the day he still needs his Mummy. And his cuddles.

He's fine in school apparently. So fine he has constant 1:1 and 2:1 for any activities off site. When I say constant I mean 32.5 hour support. If he goes to the toilet his 1-1 hovers outside the toilet door.

It's absolutely and totally relentless and sometime in the next 7 hours it's going to start all again. 6am is a lie-in for me.
Time to hide the keys, set the door alarms and lock the kitchen door and I'm off to bed.

queenjaneappro · 25/07/2021 23:13

My twins aged 7 both have ASD/PDA and significant behaviour issues. In my house I have to hide the knives and last year I sent our cat to live with my mum. The cat came back when my mum was hospitalised but she might have to go again soon as my son has recently throttled her again- when I screamed at him to stop he did it to me instead.

This is our experience of trying to get some help.

Paediatrician when aged 4 - this is for CAHMS due to the complex behaviour issues.

Finally see CAHMS after multiple rejections and a four year wait. They basically say they are autistic what do you expect. Discharge both children straight away without any proper assessment.

Safeguarding referral to social care - they say they are not ‘disabled enough’ and the safeguarding concerns aren’t serious enough. Offer to send some pictures of injuries sustained. They don’t want to see them. They say you need a family support worker (note, we had three family support workers years ago and all of them managed to make things worse and blame my parenting) - despite this I agree to speak to family support again to ‘tick a box’

Family support say this is way too complex we can’t help. Also you have lots of support already - the kids get Occupational Therapy and Speech and Language Therapy. They do, this is true - but neither of these services address behavioural issues or emotional regulation to the degree we need it. Oh well sorry we don’t know what else you can try. Write to your MP (already done that!).

Relayed the above to the Educational Psychologist who says I hope you can work productively with family support. Lol.

The EP does recommend some ELSA support at school. So far from what I can gather this is consisting of telling them to use kind hands and use their words, and going through the ‘ zones of regulation’ (they have done this more than once already).

Occupational Therapist - the kids really need some intense play or drama therapy - the behavioural issues and issues with emotions are blocking me from providing the OT services they need.

Request extra funding for play/drama therapy under their EHCPs- SEN panel reject this as they are
“unclear as to the evidence based rationale of the interventions suggested.”

There are numerous other examples of being let down / refused assessments or access to services.

No one wants to take responsibility or actually spend any money while the kids are young and the right intervention could make a difference - no, we’ll wait until they reach crisis point and then it will be too late anyway.

Over 6 weeks ago my MP wrote to minister for mental health, minister for children, ambassador for children’s health, chief executive of nhs trust, director of children’s services. Possibly a few others - no one has responded.

I’ve got numerous complaints and appeals in at the moment and when I have exhausted these processes I will be taking legal action.

It’s absolutely shameful. There are no services for these kids.

Hen2018 · 25/07/2021 23:15

Since reading this thread (I’m sitting in bed) my son has come in and thrown a plastic luminous star at me.

residenthedgehog · 25/07/2021 23:17

Childtens= children's
CPA= child on parent abuse

Hen2018 · 25/07/2021 23:17

My son is taught 1:1 at a SEND school. If anything went wrong, there are dozens of highly trained people who could run and help.

I have 6 weeks of 24 hours a day now with not one minute of help and support from family, friends or professionals. I’m not upset. I’ve had 18 years like this.

pinatastick · 25/07/2021 23:19

My 12 year old son has ADHS and is sometimes violent, mostly towards me.

isamonster · 25/07/2021 23:21

There is no real support where I am. Everything takes such a long time and no-one takes you seriously, even when you have broken bones and are covered in bruises. There is such a focus on diagnoses not on actual support. If you complain, you're rocking the boat. It is all - let's try social stories, traffic light cards so she can tell you when to keep away. Oh but yes, it is your responsibility to get her to go to school. Never mind if nine mornings out of ten she batters you...

BlackeyedSusan · 25/07/2021 23:36

it is horrendous.

we are coming through it though now. I think by the sound of it we are lucky that things are improving a bit.

help from cahms= here is a number to call and don't let dc accidently kill themselves.

BettyAndFrank · 25/07/2021 23:45

2 asd dcs, Services are shockingly lacking. A horrendous situation all round. Cahms are shite and just blame the parents. Suggested interventions not suited to SEN children and ineffectual. On we stumble along hoping it will get better with age.

IHaveBrilloHair · 25/07/2021 23:45

Also from CAMHS, if they kill themselves it will be your fault.
I hate them so much.

queenjaneappro · 26/07/2021 00:03

Just sending love to everyone on this thread who is going through this. It's not just a sensationalist headline to get peoples attention. This is our lived experience. Day after day after day...

Ylvamoon · 26/07/2021 00:06

I'm not surprised by the BBC article.

But I am horrified by the responses on here about the luck of support and a blame culture that is going on.

Flowers Flowers Flowers

youwillbepk · 26/07/2021 00:15

There is a website called holes in the wall, created by Helen bonnick it is a go to for a wide range of support and advice for child on parent violence.

x2boys · 26/07/2021 09:02

@drspouse

Our DS is too "complex" for mainstream school but not disabled enough for us to get any respite. It's shit.
Tbf we only get a day a week in the school holidays in a special needs play scheme, and this is only starting up again this week nothing since march 2020, my son is non verbal, severe autism and learning disabilities etc.
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