Who is dying from Covid now in the UK?

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In the beginning, pre-vaccine and before the numbers got too great to report on individual cases, we were hearing of case by case stories of people passing away with (not necessarily of but with ) Covid.

Obviously the overwhelming majority were very elderly so the press tended to focus on the outliers who took everyone by surprise - younger people, NHS employees, people who had medical vulnerabilities., people from the ethnic demographics that seemed to be more susceptible etc.

All the NHS frontline workers will have been offered a vaccine now.

All the elderly will have been offered a vaccine now.

All the clinically obese will have been offered the vaccine now.

All people with any sort of medical condition that makes them more vulnerable to being particularly unwell or dying from Covid have been offered the vaccine now.

Even young people who are statistically very low risk have been offered the vaccine now. Obviously some still aren't taking it because they realise they are very low risk and are perhaps more wary of tiny or imagined risks from the vaccine itself than of the risks attached to having Covid.

There are a few cases of people dying in spite of being double vaccinated, but I believe they account for a minority of the recent deaths. So who is dying? If it's very young, ostensibly healthy, statistically very low risk people who have just been extremely unlucky, would we not be hearing about them in the media?

So who is dying now that the numbers are starting to climb again?

Are they unvaccinated elderly people who refused the vaccine?
Unvaccinated medically vulnerable people who refused the vaccine?
Healthy and/or young anti-vaxx refusniks?
People who were already ill with life limiting illnesses?
People who were unable to take the vaccine on medical grounds?
People who went into hospital because of some other issue, had a covid test as a formality and died from the original issue while being Covid positive evenif they were previously unaware of having Covid and possibly symptom free?

Why have we stopped talking about this, when previously the papers were full of the personal stories of many of those who had died yet now, there seems to be nothing.

43% of those who had died from delta variant were double vaccinated.

is that because vast majority of the people with symptomatic illness are still the elderly, and vast majority of the elderly have had 2 jabs?

Advanced Age is still the main risk factor for death from covid. That never changed.

@sizehelp

Walk in centres are open everywhere this weekend . Be proactive and go get your 2nd dose. All the 20 somethings I know (DC and their friends) have been doing this and are double jabbed.

Are they not leaving any time between the 2?

DS had 1st dose the day they were avalable to 25s (around 10th June?). His 2nd dose was booked for August but he got one at a walk in centre this week so a gap of 5 weeks. I do realise that a longer gap is better for maximum immunity but most of the world is giving pfizer at 3 week intervals and the rate of infections where he lives is very high.

Not so sure about deaths but in my trust, numbers are rising and age hospitalised are 20- 50 .
We have more in critical care now than at the beginning of the week. we also have many contact patients.
I guess these patients may have only had 1 vaccine and are the ages going out and about a bit more.

Perhaps there is less coverage of the deaths in newspapers because it is sadly no longer news, as in new. It does not make it any less easier for the bereaved though.

Not all the vulnerable met the dubious criteria to be vaccinated in group 6 so it is frustrating when people say all vulnerable have been vaccinated. I am on strong inhaled steroids for asthma, qualify for a free flu jab every year, but because I haven't been admitted to hospital overnight in the last 12 months (despite the guidance being "ever"), my GP practice did not include me in their group 6 records.

Other practices included all asthmatics, others included people who were admitted to hospital once in 1982 and forgot they had it. The great asthma Covid lottery. So as a lifelong severe asthmatic I had to wait for my age group and had my 2nd jab this week.

Not every has had a chance to get vaccinated, if you're not registered with a gp you can't get vaccinated.

@Dazedandconfused10

Not every has had a chance to get vaccinated, if you're not registered with a gp you can't get vaccinated.

Yes you can. You can book via 119 who will make a manual record. Or you can go to a walk in centre this weekend no appointments are needed.

[quote shewalkslikerihanna]@brittleheadgirl
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My fil is mid 80s and refuses to have the vaccine, so I wonder if others like him are ending up in hospital?

So has he ended up in hospital
I dare say at his age he’s had a lot of childhoods illnesses that has helped him build up immunity[/quote]
No he hasn't but what's your point?

@caughtinanet
Exactly, must have missed the news about the link between childhood illness immunity and covid resistance

I called 119 and was told they use the same system so if I can't find myself they can't find me.

In my area you can't get a second jab in less than 8 weeks unless exceptional circumstances. So yes anyone under 38 can't have been doubled jabbed yet. Plus they closed the only vaccination centre accessible by public transport from my village.

Not every has had a chance to get vaccinated, if you're not registered with a gp you can't get vaccinated.

I'd be very surprised indeed if there were not outreach teams whose purpose is to bring the vaccine to vulnerable people on the margins of society.

@YouJustFoldItIn
I'd be very surprised indeed if there were not outreach teams whose purpose is to bring the vaccine to vulnerable people on the margins of society.
There are.
For example illegal immigrants can get one no questions asked. It's also possible to register with a GP as a temporary patient.
I doubt you would be turned away from a walk in clinic.
If you actually really wanted the vaccine you could find a way.

In my area you can't get a second jab in less than 8 weeks unless exceptional circumstances. So yes anyone under 38 can't have been doubled jabbed yet. Plus they closed the only vaccination centre accessible by public transport from my village.

Officially that's true everywhere. DS went to two different places before he was successful in getting 2nd dose at 5 weeks.

There are now stockpiles of vaccine and take up has dropped off. There is a big push to make it as easy as possible for those who have so far avoided getting the vaccine.

DS (36) is double vaccinated. He has Covid, day four and he’s started wheezing. I’m worried, we shall see.

www.nomoresurgeons.com/post/again-and-again-and-again

An intensive care consultant in a North East hospital keeps a blog, he's discussing in it who is currently being admitted in yesterdays post.

@Floofsquidge

Not all the vulnerable met the dubious criteria to be vaccinated in group 6 so it is frustrating when people say all vulnerable have been vaccinated. I am on strong inhaled steroids for asthma, qualify for a free flu jab every year, but because I haven't been admitted to hospital overnight in the last 12 months (despite the guidance being "ever"), my GP practice did not include me in their group 6 records.

Other practices included all asthmatics, others included people who were admitted to hospital once in 1982 and forgot they had it. The great asthma Covid lottery. So as a lifelong severe asthmatic I had to wait for my age group and had my 2nd jab this week.

Agree, ‘vulnerable’ was a fairly arbitrary category. There will undoubtedly be younger people at some increased risk who have only had one vaccine. There are also factors that we can’t currently predict that explain why some elderly at high risk are asymptomatic and some young with increased risk factors are very unwell. As least for the boosters the priority will be everyone entitled to a flu jab, in addition to the covid criteria.

Probably some of the 220,000 people with a blood cancer who have had both doses of the vaccine but have no antibodies. Those of working age have had no alternative other than to go back to work, use public transport etc and those of school age had to go back to school. There are going to be many more of them who die from it from Monday when all restrictions are lifted. The response from mp's has been "tough, we've already done enough, you'll have to live (or die) with it"

They've had to open a Covid ward (yet again) in my hospital (that was yesterday) and are desperately looking for staff... obviously no one is volunteering!!
Despite being double jabbed many of us have health problems.

So the Matrons are press ganging staff from each ward to work there.

& secretly the feeling between many healthcare workers is ok, it's one thing to happily provide care for those who bothered to get vaccinated or are trying to get vaccinated but why should we risk our health & lives for anti vaxxers....
of course we WILL care for the anti vaxxers & we WILL risk our health & we Won't treat them differently but there will I'm afraid be a resentment there.

& secretly the feeling between many healthcare workers is ok, it's one thing to happily provide care for those who bothered to get vaccinated or are trying to get vaccinated but why should we risk our health & lives for anti vaxxers....
of course we WILL care for the anti vaxxers & we WILL risk our health & we Won't treat them differently but there will I'm afraid be a resentment there.

Wow. Interesting. Not surprising really and I can't blame you - you are only human. It must be very demoralising.

Family working for Manchester trust three weeks ago said it was the elderly who were dying with covid. Things may have changed since then

It’s still the elderly and vulnerable. For some of them, their immune system still isn’t strong enough despite both vaccines.

Only 17% of transplant patients (on immune suppressants so they don’t reject their new organ) have made antibodies following 2 vaccines :(

@Tehmina23 I don’t blame you all. I was reading an article by a doctor having to treat patients who still don’t believe in covid despite being in hospital on oxygen with it!

I can’t believe I have just read ‘ people who deserve it in some way’. Good old eugenics, eh? The virus really has taken some people back to 1937.

It’s a range of people who are dying from Covid, an average of 41 a day and climbing fast.

It’s ordinary people, with lives of equal value.

Completely agree with the fact that a lot will be people dying with rather than of COVID

If 1 in 100 people in the UK have COVID at the moment, then you would expect about 1 in 100 people who die each day from other factors to have it, so about 12 people each day. But then you need to take into account that many people contract COVID in hospital when they go in for something else (heart attack / run over etc) so the figure is probably much higher