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England footballer Tyrone Mings calls out Priti Patel

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HmmmmmmInteresting · 12/07/2021 22:46

twitter.com/OfficialTM_3/status/1414655312074784785?s=19

You love to see it

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SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo · 15/07/2021 09:09

Weeble if you can’t see the difference between “anti gay gestures” and pro Black rights movements, then you may need to have a deeper think.

Anti gay gestures actively harm people, whereas pro Black rights don’t harm anyone. Quite the opposite.

Conflating the two is incredibly problematic.

HPLikecraft · 15/07/2021 09:09

@Weebleweeble being anti-racist is really not the same as being anti-gay.
Anti-racism = being against something that is bad, hateful, illegal; anti- gay = being against something that is normal and natural (and protected). They're very opposite sorts of sentiments.

The reason racism is being addressed on the pitch in football games is because there is a problem there that needs addressing! If fans look up to players then players sending this message may help temper any racist views.

Oh, and Priti Patel is not being spoken badly of on here because she's a woman, most posters on here are; rather it's because she's a hateful hypocrite.

BigWoollyJumpers · 15/07/2021 09:19

@Weebleweeble

OMG - I'm pretty sure the abuse that Priti Patel receives over twitter etc and email make the footie players abuse look like a pixie fairy tale - the abuse she receives on here is pretty bad - Diane Abbott similar, but hey they're women who gives a shit.

Social media falling over themselves to remove tweets but when women are threatened with rape and murder or receive racist abuse - oh, well, tha'ts life!! Stop making a fuss.

Agreed. I was going to mention the same, but in the current environment I am actually afraid of voicing an opinion against the trend.

Make no mistake, I am not a fan of PP, but the abuse that she, and Diane Abbot, and in fact most female MP's have received over many years, with little support or condemnation is frankly appalling. JKR and many, many others, have never had much public support for the female centered insults, rape and death threats they have received. Why not? Because it doesn't suit the current narrative.

I was appalled that the Guardian was not called out for printing a cartoon of PP as a fatted cow. Both racially and religiously abusive.

Abusive and aggressive social media posts to all and anyone should be called out and dealt by both SM companies, and the authorities.

As for taking the knee, I am on the fence. I don't really care either way. If you want to do it, fine, if you don't fine. It's rather like the poppy police, I don't wear a poppy, but that doesn't mean I don't acknowledge or care about the sacrifice of others. I just don't do what one could indeed call "gesture politics".

GrealishHairband · 15/07/2021 09:21

@Fairyliz

Is this the same footballer who got banned for five matches for stamping on another player? Clearly a delightful young man Hmm
Over 4 years ago and even at the time the intent was hotly disputed. Also ibrahimovic received a 3 match ban in that same match as a result of an elbow to Mings’ head.

Mings ban led to him making this statement. Not what you would typically expect from a footballer I’d suggest.

“So for people to deem that I could intentionally stamp on a fellow professional's head is upsetting.

It is an action that would not be acceptable in any walk of life, let alone on a football pitch, and one that would never cross my mind.”

Covidforalways · 15/07/2021 09:33

@Weebleweeble

OMG - I'm pretty sure the abuse that Priti Patel receives over twitter etc and email make the footie players abuse look like a pixie fairy tale - the abuse she receives on here is pretty bad - Diane Abbott similar, but hey they're women who gives a shit.

Social media falling over themselves to remove tweets but when women are threatened with rape and murder or receive racist abuse - oh, well, tha'ts life!! Stop making a fuss.

I am fairly sure PP doesn't go into the HoC's to monkey chants.

PP is as racist as they come.

Boris Johnson, in the last Parliament, had the chance to condemn threats of rape and violence against MPs and refused to do so, in fact called it "Humbug"

He and Patel are not the solution, they are the problem

HmmmmmmInteresting · 15/07/2021 14:01

@Weebleweeble

She said that taking the knee was a political gesture - it's ok if people make political gestures you are happy with but for example what if players made an anti gay gesture because of their religious beliefs - you'd be happy with that?? Of course not - I agree with her that political gestures should not be used in sport. The players can voice their views on Twitter in newspaper interviews whatever but not a good thing at a game.
Make no mistake, I am not a fan of PP, but the abuse that she, and Diane Abbot, and in fact most female MP's have received over many years, with little support or condemnation is frankly appalling. JKR and many, many others, have never had much public support for the female centered insults, rape and death threats they have received. Why not? Because it doesn't suit the current narrative.

The whataboutery on this thread is strong. So you're saying because PP and these other women didn't have support when they had abuse directed against them we shouldn't support these footballers? Why is it an either/or situation in your head?

The fact you 'don't care' about taking the knee says it all. Spoken like a true ally.

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BigWoollyJumpers · 15/07/2021 14:19

The whataboutery on this thread is strong. So you're saying because PP and these other women didn't have support when they had abuse directed against them we shouldn't support these footballers? Why is it an either/or situation in your head?. I actually said both are appalling, and should have equal support. I said "all and anyone" - that's everyone.

The fact you 'don't care' about taking the knee says it all. Spoken like a true ally. In the context of I have no strong feelings either way. It's not something I condemn, and it's not something I would personally do. Free will and all that. In a free society have to be able to express support in our own way, doing something just because everyone else is doing it, or because it is expected, is not something I would support in a democratic liberal society.

HmmmmmmInteresting · 15/07/2021 14:29

Look at how a female Tory MP treated Zarah Sultana yesterday when she tried to speak up about the football debacle.

twitter.com/zarahsultana/status/1415649131503230976?s=20

Absolutely disgusting. She didn't even deign to look at her and lectured her on 'tone', even though this is a house where middle-aged white men shout and jeer all day long. Same way Matt Hancock told Rosena Allin-Khan to watch her tone.

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TheLeadbetterLife · 15/07/2021 14:30

@Cooldryplace

I actually think it's terrifying (no not too strong, I don't think) that both she and the PM felt unable to condemn the booing in the first place. I mean what is there to object to in a group of people making a short, quiet protest to highlight a major social injustice? How could the booing possibly be justified and yet they know their audience so couldn't condemn it Sad
I don't think they did know their audience in this case. They called it wrong, mainly because they're ignorant and have a very narrow idea of what the "Red Wall" is actually like. The Tories patronisingly think their new voting demographic is knuckle dragging racists, so they pander to that imaginary concept. It backfired because it's a lot more complicated than they think.

The booing and online abuse is coming from a relatively small, but very vocal minority of absolutely irredeemable, fascist thugs. That the current crop of Tories think that is a demographic they need to pander to says it all, really.

Good for Tyrone for showing Patel up. Love this England squad, and Gareth Southgate. Leaders and role models all.

Roussette · 15/07/2021 15:07

In the context of I have no strong feelings either way. It's not something I condemn, and it's not something I would personally do. Free will and all that. In a free society have to be able to express support in our own way, doing something just because everyone else is doing it, or because it is expected, is not something I would support in a democratic liberal society

Do you support the footballers doing it though?

This is the q asked time and time again of Boris and other Tories. They will not say yes.

To me, that means 'no'.

BigWoollyJumpers · 15/07/2021 15:56

Do you support the footballers doing it though?

I support freedom of choice to show the anti-racism message in whatever way feels appropriate to the individual, and that includes kneeling, or standing, or being involved in tackling anti-racism in all circumstances.

I don't watch football, I don't support any football club, I have no knowledge of anything that goes on in football, only what is reported on a national level. So it has very little impact on me as an individual. How am I to therefore show the support that you think is due?

In rugby, they allow players to kneel, or not to kneel, it is a personal choice. Most choose to just bow their heads for a minutes silence and reflection before games begin. It is just as powerful.

Roussette · 15/07/2021 16:34

A 'yes' or a 'no' would've sufficed.

longwayoff · 15/07/2021 16:37

PP's father was a UKIP candidate? Please, someone, assure me this is a vile calumny and that PPs immigrant dad is as anti-racist as his daughter.

HmmmmmmInteresting · 15/07/2021 16:40

@Roussette

A 'yes' or a 'no' would've sufficed.
She's just doing a Johnson. He doesn't seem to have yes or no in his vocabulary either.
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HmmmmmmInteresting · 15/07/2021 16:42

@longwayoff

PP's father was a UKIP candidate? Please, someone, assure me this is a vile calumny and that PPs immigrant dad is as anti-racist as his daughter.
It's true. Where do you think he's daughter got her views from? Must have been interesting growing up in that household
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longwayoff · 15/07/2021 21:22

Thank you Hmmmm, just when you think nothing will shock you further, along comes a big old bigoted bus to run you over. They're from Uganda are they not? Home to Idi Amin, strong man dictator and violent nutter who threw the Asian immigrants and descendants out of 'his' country. And so the Patel family arrived here taking advantage of the generosity she - and presumably dear papa - would happily refuse to others. Words don't fail me but I won't say any more as I dont want to be banned. Bloody hell. Hypocrisy at its finest.

HmmmmmmInteresting · 16/07/2021 11:51

@longwayoff

Thank you Hmmmm, just when you think nothing will shock you further, along comes a big old bigoted bus to run you over. They're from Uganda are they not? Home to Idi Amin, strong man dictator and violent nutter who threw the Asian immigrants and descendants out of 'his' country. And so the Patel family arrived here taking advantage of the generosity she - and presumably dear papa - would happily refuse to others. Words don't fail me but I won't say any more as I dont want to be banned. Bloody hell. Hypocrisy at its finest.
I think so (can't be bothered googling) Took advantage then pulled the ladder firmly up behind them.
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HmmmmmmInteresting · 16/07/2021 12:01

Good article in the Guardian explaining that Johnson et al made it a conscious strategy to side with racists because that's what they see their supporters as and think it makes them popular.
www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/jul/15/boris-johnson-priti-patel-must-learn-when-politicians-play-fire-others-get-burned-england-euro-2020

One senior football figure told me there was “deep outrage” in the game about Johnson and Patel backing the fans who booed England players taking a knee, describing it as “the deepest insult”, evoking the most shameful period of racism in football. For the first time, a government saw an advantage for itself from siding with racists rather than supporting those who have worked for decades to kick racism out.

Reports from journalists with solid sources in the Conservative party have explained that these comments were considered positions, taken in the “culture war” or “war on woke”, coordinated in particular by one of Johnson’s advisers, Dougie Smith, a long-term Tory fixer. The husband of Munira Mirza, Johnson’s policy director, Smith’s CV includes a period when he was involved in organising sex parties and orgies for wealthy people in Mayfair.

Tim Shipman reported in the Sunday Times that Smith is behind the strategy, which stirs divisions on racial and heritage issues, as a chosen route to allying the Conservatives with “working-class voters in the new swing seats in northern England”. Smith is said to be behind Oliver Dowden’s reinvention, from moderate remainer and somewhat ineffectual culture secretary, to culture war secretary. Dowden publicly rebuked the England and Wales Cricket Board when it responded firmly to the bowler Ollie Robinson’s historic racist tweets, a rebuke then supported publicly by Johnson.

Munira Mirza is the same person who said institutional racism doesn't exist and so naturally Hmm was asked by Johnson to establish the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities.

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Roussette · 16/07/2021 13:38

Oh god, don't tell me this Smith geezer is the new Dominic can't-see-to-drive Cummings [Hmm

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