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Making the unfit kid who comes last run round the field again?

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Veuvelily · 24/05/2021 10:18

Can anyone tell me the logic here.
What is the games teacher trying to achieve?

The child has tried his best and feels like he’s being punished unfairly
Plus he’s then used up all his energy, so is tired for the actual games lesson

OP posts:
IdblowJonSnow · 24/05/2021 13:05

Awful. Please do something about this OP if you haven't already. Not read full thread.

mustlovegin · 24/05/2021 13:05

Reminds me of that SAS programme

That's an actual selection process to determine who meets certain fitness/strength criteria. They are also training soldiers to survive extremely hostile and harsh situations/environments.

Those teachers who think a PE lesson needs to emulate this, need their heads checked, surely

nighttimeflowers · 24/05/2021 13:08

Only read the OP but, fuck me, that is awful! Cruel, bullying, deliberate humiliation. I am fuming on your son's behalf!

I remember a girl in our swim class at school submerging and starting to drown. She had got tired doing laps and had rested on the side and the PE teacher had come and screamed in her face for bring lazy and forced her to keep swimming. So she tried but was too exhausted and started to drown. The PE teacher had to dive into the water and save her.

ComDummings · 24/05/2021 13:11

@RantyAnty

OP it would be helpful to know your DS height and weight.
It’s irrelevant.
RainingZen · 24/05/2021 13:12

At my school they did this. The slowest was rarely the least fit, it was always the laziest. Truth is there were girls who just couldnt be bothered or thought they were too cool to run. Including several talented members of the Hockey team.

Often the PE teacher would say, "if I don't think you've made an effort, be warned I WILL be sending you round again."

And she would, sometimes the slowest, usually not just one person thought it was usually two or three and then they would go even slower. Sometimes she made the entire Class re-run the warm up route, if she felt there wasn't adequate commitment.

Like the majority, i always made sure I didnt come in right at the back. So i guess it did work, as most of us made an effort.

Sitchervice · 24/05/2021 13:13

Tbh hornmones run WILD at this age and he's probably not stopped growing yet. Weight blooms then drops and then blooms during teen years for some people thanks to hornmones.

It's not fair that he's made to run around the track for coming last! I'm crap at running but could easily out strip anyone swimming.

Personally and you can choose your own path I'd bring it up with the teacher and head of year. I'd also tell the kid to refuse to run again, and refuse to go to detention because at the end of the day they'd phone you to complain about your kids behaviour and you could say yeah I told him not to because it's bullying.

mam0918 · 24/05/2021 13:13

@Hellocatshome

Erm this might sound really harsh but the only way you stop being unfit is by exercising more, so running around the field again is actually beneficial to the child's fitness. Obviously has to be done in the right way with the right explanations etc and not done to humiliate the child.
your mistaking 'unfit' with 'lazy' (or possibly 'fat') and even if you think someone is you are not qualified to make that assumption and force physical actions on them.

Im 'unfit', I look perfectly normal (healthy weight) but people notice a lot that I am very 'low energy' and struggle to keep up but I cant run because I have asthma, a skeletal issue and lung damage.

Forcing me to run more laps would just end you up having to call an ambulance, fresh air and jogging isnt going to magically fix my scarred 'unfit' lungs and could actually cause serious injury.

nighttimeflowers · 24/05/2021 13:13

But even in the 70s sports lessons were only once per week and I think it was more to do with the fact we didn’t snack between meals pasta for a lot of people was a rarity and we didn’t have as much sugar in our diet (now every ready meal seems to have sugar added) rather than kids doing pe umpteen times per week

I was brought up in a working class family in the 70's, definitely snacked (snack bought at school tuck shop every day was crisps, 7p, and chocolate covered biscuit, 3p) and pretty much subsisted on e-numbers, hydrogenated fats and refined sugars. Grin

smartiecake · 24/05/2021 13:15

Report this today. Its bullying, humiliation for your son. I would go straight to the Head and get it sorted.
Are there any other schools that would be a better fit for your son's other support needs?
I'm furious for your poor boy.

Lexilooo · 24/05/2021 13:16

Poor kid.

This is so counter productive in terms of his long term fitness and it is very sad that PE teachers still behave like this and haven't realised how they are contributing to children giving up sport, adult inactivity and obesity.

I was a fit active child/teenager but I was a slow runner, poor jumper and terrible at catching. This story is just the kind of crap that put me off sports. As I went further through school it was discovered that actually I was a fairly decent long distance runner but by then I hated PE and there was no bloody way I was going to run on the cross country team.

1forAll74 · 24/05/2021 13:16

I don't recall this being done in my children's sport things in the 1970 and 1980's era,and not in my schools sports,in the 1950's era either.

Cindie943811A · 24/05/2021 13:17

OP your DS is dealing with so many issues atm that I feel a meeting with the principal/form teacher or whatever is warranted (note not the PE teacher who will be defensive).
Explain the issues and include the PE teacher’s attitude, that DS is self motivated to exercise and does not deserve this treatment. It’s common sense that not everyone is born with equipment to run competitively with their peers. Even an excellent short distance sprinter might come last in a much longer distance and vice versa.
Use your own judgment whether or not to discuss your visit to the school with DS.
Good luck

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 24/05/2021 13:17

Op you know it's wrong so I'd send a strongly worded email to the school and copy year head, PE lead and head teacher in.

Around 13 boys often gain weight before having a big growth spurt so I would absolutely not make a big deal out of it.

MrsKJones · 24/05/2021 13:21

OP have you considered moving schools?
Our DS (in primary school) has just been diagnosed as having ASD and the school he was at, whilst making all the right sounds, never really met his needs and didn't accept that he had issues. We moved his school 3 weeks ago and is he flourishing. His teacher actually 'gets' him and can head off a bad day before it starts.
If your DS is possibly on the spectrum then its likely he has co-ordination issues which could be making him run slower than his peers.

Also, someone has to come last so if your DS missed PE one day would the teacher make the slowest person run again or is just directed at your DS?

randomsabreuse · 24/05/2021 13:22

I'm on the fence a bit purely because I was fairly bad at PE in school and would "deliberately" get knocked out first in games or make sure my shoelace came untied once I was bored of the bleep test... There being an "active" punishment for being first out reduced the appeal of losing for the sake of sitting on the sidelines for a while as I wasn't getting the "reward" for losing, so I actually applied myself, and the punishment disappeared when it appeared all class members were trying...

SVRT19674 · 24/05/2021 13:28

I was great at running, faster than all the girls and a few of the boys too. Can´t catch a ball or aim though...I think you need to speak to the school for more constructive methods...the 70s are long gone...

unfittofit · 24/05/2021 13:28

@Veuvelily

Yes he’s my child He’s not massively overweight. He just looks regular size in his clothes. You wouldn’t immediately say fat kid.

We have lots of issues at the moment, dyslexia, adhd, demand avoidance. I think he’s on the spectrum.
Had lots of problems since he started senior school. Trying to get some sort of balance with the school but ultimately they’re trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. They’re not flexible

Has your child complained about the extra running, or has he said it makes him feel sad or humiliated? If the latter it does need to be addressed.

However, I have a bit of experience of unfit children becoming fit and adhd, and in fact your ds starting to run - slowly at first and slowing building up capacity - you may well find this is extremely helpful with the adhd and other issues, and that he will in fact gain fitness and find all sport easier, improve coordination, improve ball skills, and it could be a very positive things for him overall. Unless there is a medical reason going against this, I would say that this would apply to every child, based on my experience, honestly - but check with the doctor. Fitness really could have a very positive impact. In relation to ADHD, fitness can affect hormones and how well the brain works.

This may or may not have been the teacher's intention. If however the teacher has made your child feel sad or humiliated, whatever their intention, this needs to be addressed.

Gucci1961 · 24/05/2021 13:29

Awful.poor child

PanamaPattie · 24/05/2021 13:30

I’m sad to see nothing has changed since the 60s when I was at school. Sadistic PE teachers still being employed. Generations of children still being put off exercise for life. How depressing.

BeastOfBODMAS · 24/05/2021 13:33

@Veuvelily that is really awful behaviour from the teacher.

You say he enjoys rugby at school, to boost his confidence could you get him involved with his local rugby club? They’re generally very supportive environments with emphasis on everyone having their valid part to play on the team, the big heavy set forwards and the lighter speedy backs.

When I used to play, warmup laps would be run as a team matching pace to the slowest, and for training drills you’d be matched up with people of similar build or split between strength and speed skills.

Your DS can then hopefully educate his teacher that even international Props at the top of their game arent expected to run around for the full 80 minutes Grin

SamusIsAGirl · 24/05/2021 13:33

And this is why my boys should they request it have a free pass from me on sports day.

What would you know, the bigger stronger people being faster and winning more things at Sports Day! Hold the front page of Nature for me!

NeverDropYourMoonCup · 24/05/2021 13:33

You mention that you find it difficult to work around his demand avoidance.

Could it be that the teacher is responding to exactly that? In my last place, there were a few potentially very talented kids who took the piss just because they had been told to do something - if they had a PE teacher who they wanted to please (a former professional athlete), they would do everything asked and more, but if they were in a bad mood or it was a woman taking the lesson, they'd at best walk or go off in the opposite direction, but mostly, refuse point blank until the other teacher came along and told them to stop being disrespectful, do another two laps/ten press ups and they'd get on with it.

Our PE teachers do a load of work on conditioning and functional fitness, even more so since lockdown has shown so much wastage of muscles, poor core strength and non existent aerobic capacity - so everybody does a wide variety of activities from dance/yoga to athletics, team sports and cardio. When it comes down it, though, they still have to get them to run at times, even if they don't particularly like getting out of breath or have wobbly legs. And other kids love running, whether sprinting, mid distance or cross country.

I despised PE as a kid. But I had market stall trainers, no sports bra and wasn't allowed to wear my glasses 'for safety'. Turned out I was actually rather good at hockey, though. I still completely absented myself from all PE for at least three years due to injuries from not being provided with acceptable standard kit and no allowance for what I now know to be a disability - I engaged again aged 15 when a gym was built and we could do things I actually liked. I found out later that having the right kit and learning about technique meant there were other things I really enjoyed - like, amazingly enough, running.

There's also Covid to take into account. A lot of school halls, gyms and every other available space are being used for suitably distanced assessments - they may have nowhere else to go but out on the field and need to run to keep warm.

I also wonder whether he's got more of a technique issue? If he's on the heavy side and is heel striking when running, taking long strides, he's putting a lot of force upon his muscles and joints and he's likely to find it horrible - but with a change to midfoot of forefoot striking, which many of the other kids might be doing instinctively, he may find that short paces with his weight landing down rather in front of him, that it's far more tolerable. The fact that he likes rugby would support that, as the quick direction changes make it more likely he's supporting his weight in a more mid/forefoot position. Some runners also say that breathing in on the left strike is less likely to give them a stitch than doing it on their right footstrike - might be purely coincidental, but I've heard plenty say it (and thinking about it, it's when I inhale).

It's certainly worth a discussion with the PE teacher and they could be an old school twat beasting who they see as the fat kid but perhaps more in terms of 'what is happening and what can you suggest' than 'stop bullying my child, they don't have to do what you tell them'?

Dddccc · 24/05/2021 13:33

Hmm could his teacher think they were messing around and not trying, if we messed about or didn't try we had to run another lap

bluetongue · 24/05/2021 13:33

This brings back bad memories for me. Sport at school was torture for me. It wasn’t that I was fat. Far from it. I was just short, uncoordinated and a non-responder to aerobic exercise. If I was last it wasn’t because of lack of effort I just couldn’t do sport.

Instead of sport I did ballet. These days I do outdoorsy stuff like skiing and kayaking. I actually enjoy watching sport as an adult. I’m just rubbish at it.

Mrsfrumble · 24/05/2021 13:38

Slow does not automatically mean unfit, especially for a child who may be on the spectrum. DS is autistic. He’s fit enough; built like a whippet and has the stamina of a Duracell bunny (thanks to ADHD), but due to autism-related co-ordination issues he has the running style of Phoebe Buffay, which slows him down considerably. When he did the (optional) 200m sprint last sports day he finished way behind his classmates but fortunately didn’t care and was pleased with himself for taking part even though he didn’t have to. His teacher this year has them doing the daily mile, and aiming to beat their previous time rather than competing against each other. This seems a far better approach to make sure DS continues to enjoy running, rather than putting him off by making him feel like he’s crap at it.