I'm a scared British Jew

[Elladisenchanted]

As I'm writing this, I've had another whats app messagw asking for prayers for a rabbi in London hospitalised, who has just been beaten up. I'm scared.

I'm getting messages from my synagogue and kids schools about walking in groups for safety. Neighborhood group posting pics of cars where I live smashed up. People driving by waving Palestinian flags and screaming anti semitic abuse and entering shops intimidating people. This is Manchester not London, where it's even worse.
I've been sent screenshots of Facebook posts with comments like rape Jewish women. Rape their mothers. Rape their daughters. Not rape the Israelis. Rape the Jews. British Jews.

I'm preparing for the shavuous festival and at 8.50 pm I'll be turning off my phone for just over two days and be cut off from social media and news. But I'm dreading what I'll see when I go back online on Tuesday night. I'm sending my husband to the synagogue with my heart in my mouth. This isn't the first time. It won't be the last.

I'm the last of my British family still here and as much as I love my country I don't know how much longer I want to stay here.

Not sure why I'm posting this. Just feeling despair that this never ends.

@Elladisenchanted Sending love to you and your family and friends ❤️

@Mooncats seriously?? A lovely show of solidarity driving through a Jewish area screaming "f* the Jews and rape their daughters"

@Annoymoususer

Are u actually being goady and looking for arguments online, why would I know what hasidic jew is, in fact I despise using the word jew to describe someone of the Jewish religion, they are Jewish. And again why would I? I'll type again because you didn't read first time I'm from the west of Scotland so from one of the Catholic towns we rarely encounter many from different religions, is there actually a problem with that? I couldn't tell you who is Jewish and who isn't, where im from youre best to keep your mouth shut when it comes to religion. You have no clue what religion here has done to towns and communities, yesterday for example because a football team one. Keep your patronising idiotic opinions to yourself

What has that got to do with this thread?

• maybe because posters have been jumped on for not declaring this.

I don't know, I'm quite ignorant in this area, I'm just worried that it's all so upsetting, people/ posters are raining vitriol on people who don't say precisely the correct thing.

It's a chat forum and people muse out loud, say things that accidently cause offence, and yes some people do mean too but it's a very complicated situation and many feel awful about this but don't know the pitfalls of what to say or not to say.

Looks like the police have acted quickly on this - arrests already.

Op I'm so sorry and despair of the people who have made these threats and carried out the violence. It is never the answer.

Why should I have to express any view about the actions of the Israeli Government? I didn't vote them in. They have as little to do with me as any other foreign government. So why should I bear any responsibility for speaking out? Why should I have to take extra care tonight according to an emergency email I received from the community this evening? Why should I have to be alerted that if I feel there might be a specific local threat such as hostile cars in my neighbourhood I should report it immediately. Just because I'm
Jewish I'm not responsible for the actions of a foreign government. It's pure anti-semitism. I'm usually the last person to jump and down about this stuff but this time it's crystal clear

You shouldn’t have to do or put up with any of this, LondonMummer.

It needs to stop NOW.

Anti-semitism must no longer be the only form of racism that’s still acceptable.

The anti-semitism being so openly spouted on this post is disgusting.

I'm so sorry you're feeling this way OP.
Just know that most people understand that being Jewish doesn't equal being the Israeli government 🙄

'I have no idea what a hasidic community is so wouldn't be obvious to me. I'm from an area that's Catholic so don't encounter other people's religions often unless it came up in conversation'

Hope my post above helped.

For what is worth. FWIW our area has a very large RC population as well. I'm RC myself by birth.

Why don't u read back and ull see what it's to do with.

[quote CanOfLilt]@Hoppinggreen it's not relevant at all. Pretty sure the OP is aware there are differing opinions on the subject

Cast your mind back to 9/11 and the anti Muslim sentiments that were around in the aftermath. Would you have expressed sympathy to a Muslim poster but first made sure you made them aware that you didn't condone the attacks on the twin towers? I hardly think so. Right wing commentators who did just that were rightly criticised for doing so.[/quote]
I’m not going to argue with you here because as you said the thread is about OPs fears.
The reason I mentioned that I didn’t condone the actions of the Israeli govt before offering support was that I hoped OP would understand that some of us can separate the 2 things. My intention was not to upset her or any other a Jewish people and if I have upset OP then I apologise.
I can’t say why other people have done it

@Puttingouthefirewithgasoline what do you think people have been unfairly called out on?

Saying British Jewish communities should call out Israel? Clearly wrong. Why should any of us be under any duty to call out co-religionists in another country?

Saying Jewish people are “welcome” in the UK? Weird and slightly racist - they ARE British already. Why would they need welcoming?

I think we’ve also already had the nonsense about Jewish people being wealthy. Well much like the rest of the population some Jewish people are and many aren’t. Suggesting it’s somehow the norm is an antisemitic belief.

@Annoymoususer

Why don't u read back and ull see what it's to do with.

Honestly I've tried and I must just be missing something.

Not read the thread.

Just wanted to send love to OP. I’m sorry that you’ve been made to feel this way. Please know that you’ve got support from strangers in the U.K. also.

I'm so sorry that this is happening to you. This has no place in our country. Sending love and strength to you and your family x

This happened in Manchester Arndale yesterday. Protesters chased a family. I’m not surprised Jewish people in Manchester feel scared. I’m so sorry OP. Silence from Andy Burnham as well and we all know GMP is in a mess being in special measures.

twitter.com/antisemitism/status/1393983090503127040?s=21

www.msn.com/en-gb/video/viral/free-palestine-protest-turns-nasty-inside-manchester-arndale-shopping-centre/vi-BB1gN1Xk?ocid=st

So sorry that this is happening to you. It makes me ashamed. The vast majority of British people feel the same.

@Annoymoususer I also can’t work out what you meant. Can you explain?

It can be tricky to know what background people are from and that’s true in lots of contexts, not just working out whether people are Jewish. I once asked my Northern Irish then dp how he could tell whether someone was catholic or Protestant (he wouldn’t have described himself as have by a particular faith by then and I never heard him say anything negative about either community). He said there were little things that meant he could quite often guess like names.

I have a Jewish grandparent and I can quite often guess, but not always - names, clothes, haircuts etc.

Well u musta then, let me state religion is the root of all this, nobody gets along because one group think their god is better than the other groups God so to prove a point they go around killing each other, in the name of said God. the same thing since the start of time all for what? Nobody gets along people afraid to go out because of threats of being raped or maimed in the street or worse killed. The sad truth is nothing will change until someone hits the button and declares itself a winner of a baron wasteland that resembles chernoybl that nobody can live on

Elladisenchanted I'm sorry you're experiencing this. It's shocking that such antisemitism is happening in the UK and I hope it isn't allowed to continue.

Fox, I've seen across heated threads not just in this area but any heated thread on any subject, innocent posts jumped on when they have accidentally said the wrong thing.

I've not said anything you mention in your post it's just a point because everyone is very riled up.

Rather than people jumping on posts explaining is better in a calm way because many people do not understand the nuances of what's going on here.

Silence from Andy Burnham as well and we all know GMP is in a mess being in special measures.

Andy Burnham. Man of the people...or not as it seems.