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Jehovah Witness sending letter

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Maggiesgirl · 06/05/2021 15:54

I recieved a letter today, addressed to 'The xxxxxx Family' at our address. Opened it to find a handwritten letter from a male, asking to visit to talk to me about becoming a Jehovah Witness!

Seeing as I was born Jewish and am now an atheist i wont be taking him up on his offer.

But is this the Covid Secure way of them knocking on our door now!

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HHSchultz · 08/05/2021 11:44

I haven't said anything about my thoughts on homosexuality. I in absolutely no way think it's wrong and me having a lesbian BF is neither here nor there and I didn't mention that to prove myself.

Miasicarisatia · 08/05/2021 11:48

Probably best to burn it ....no shred it first then burn it and upload the footage on YouTube

Newnamefor2021 · 08/05/2021 11:48

Oh dear! I remember thinking the way @HHSchultz thought when I was indoctrinated by a cult!

I believed I loved everyone, love the person but hate the sin, the problem with that it is assumption you are better and that they are leased. "Oh bless, they don't know what they are doing", forcing law changes to prevent gay marriage, judging someone on their sexuality. All of that amount to prejudice and discrimination which equally homophobia.

The opposite it to embrace everyone and not impose your own (faulty) thinking in others. To fight for everyone's right to love and be loved. Not valuing one type of relationship over another.

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HHSchultz · 08/05/2021 11:59

@Newnamefor2021

Oh dear! I remember thinking the way *@HHSchultz* thought when I was indoctrinated by a cult!

I believed I loved everyone, love the person but hate the sin, the problem with that it is assumption you are better and that they are leased. "Oh bless, they don't know what they are doing", forcing law changes to prevent gay marriage, judging someone on their sexuality. All of that amount to prejudice and discrimination which equally homophobia.

The opposite it to embrace everyone and not impose your own (faulty) thinking in others. To fight for everyone's right to love and be loved. Not valuing one type of relationship over another.

Thinking what way!? You have no idea how I think. I am talking about a woman I know, not myself!
IggyAce · 08/05/2021 12:06

We had one a few months ago, dh & I had a laugh and binned it. We did think it must be taking them ages to write out all these letters as our whole street and the next one received similar letters the same day.

DenisetheMenace · 08/05/2021 12:08

Oh well, keeps them off the streets Grin

Sunglasses2 · 08/05/2021 12:39

Dd went to school with the son of a Mormon family. They were lovely. Never pushed religion but were kind and helpful when dh died which I appreciated and they also helped people out in the community every week.

Newnamefor2021 · 08/05/2021 16:51

@HHSchultz True, but your defending her being homophobic and argued that she's not homophobic as she's not scared of homosexuality.

Sorry if that's not your views, it's just odd to me you would actively argue that she's a lovely women but had strong views on homosexuality and then argue she's not homophobic.

HHSchultz · 08/05/2021 18:04

[quote Newnamefor2021]@HHSchultz True, but your defending her being homophobic and argued that she's not homophobic as she's not scared of homosexuality.

Sorry if that's not your views, it's just odd to me you would actively argue that she's a lovely women but had strong views on homosexuality and then argue she's not homophobic. [/quote]
She is a lovely person, her being part of a Religious Cult that disagrees with homosexuality can't and doesn't change that. She is also 100 years old and has endured things in her life that I never could have survived. So yes I will defend her, I love her and understand she is a victim of her own life. I don't need to agree with what her beliefs are.

Newnamefor2021 · 08/05/2021 18:20

No one is attacking her, just her opinion. My grandmother was 94 when she died last year. She was my grandmother and I loved her, but I certainly wouldn't defend her racist beliefs.

HHSchultz · 08/05/2021 19:45

@Newnamefor2021

No one is attacking her, just her opinion. My grandmother was 94 when she died last year. She was my grandmother and I loved her, but I certainly wouldn't defend her racist beliefs.
I am not defending her beliefs, I am explaining why she has that belief. I am defending her from being called homophobic It's quite different from being a racist, unless your grandmother was brainwashed by a cult into having racist beliefs.My friend has spent over 50 years being told what to do and what to think, she has no choice but to believe homosexuality is wrong, she is not allowed to have any other opinion about it. So no I don't think she is homophobic as I said before she is a victim, and I won't victim blame.
HoulYerWheesht · 08/05/2021 19:54

I’ve had a few. I put them in individual large Jiffy bags, padded them out with tissue and send them to the Kingdom Hall with no postage on them. I also included a piece of paper that told them to pack it in.

I have a close family member that is JW and after trying to be accepting (as I am with other religions) and trying to support her I have now made a huge distance between us. It’s a cult that has no place in a “civil” society just like all the other bat shit cults.

HoulYerWheesht · 08/05/2021 19:56

On reflection I actually find the letters worse than the door knocking because I don’t have a choice to say no to their silly bollocks. or tell them to fuck off

Newnamefor2021 · 08/05/2021 19:56

Of course she has a choice! I escaped a cult myself! Yes the brainwashing affected how I thought for over 30 years but I'm still guilty for thinking that way.

And they are homophobic views! How can you argue they aren't?

My grandmother was a product of her time and location but that still makes her racist. I mean she wasn't racist like kkk but she was distrusting and suspect of people based on their race which is still racist!

HHSchultz · 08/05/2021 20:16

@Newnamefor2021

Of course she has a choice! I escaped a cult myself! Yes the brainwashing affected how I thought for over 30 years but I'm still guilty for thinking that way.

And they are homophobic views! How can you argue they aren't?

My grandmother was a product of her time and location but that still makes her racist. I mean she wasn't racist like kkk but she was distrusting and suspect of people based on their race which is still racist!

Just because you left doesn't mean she can, your grandmother was free to think differently but didn't , a JW is told what to think and not free to chose,It's quite different.
Newnamefor2021 · 08/05/2021 21:59

😂 it's strange and I guess we will need to agree to disagree, I recognise your name from other posts and you seem really reasonable and lovely. I just don't see your argument.

My cult/religion was Mormonism. It told me what to think and feel, what to wear, who to love, what to eat, etc etc, it's massively difficult to leave because it's all I knew, our families are all Mormon and our friends were all Mormon. Leaving me at literally leaving everything o ever knew and relearning what to think and feel. I am still adjusting and learning and that's one or the reasons I love Mumsnet because people openly express opinions that challenge me and give me perspective.

You friend leaving at her age would be difficult but that doesn't mean she gets a free reign to treat people differently or tell them how to live based on their sexual preferences.

I did challenge my nana, often, and as a result her opinions did slowly change. I remember both my grandparents hating Germans and it just so happened I had a good friend who was German and so I introduced her and slowly they accepted that Germans weren't nazis. They were very wrong and offensive in their thinking but that challenging of their prejudices helped them see that things weren't as they see.

But, despite challenging, they were still daily mail readers so picked up lots of aspects of racism from there.

As I say, I don't think we are going to see this from each other's perspective. I think it's funny that you defend her because she's in a cult when I have literally escaped one. I have a post somewhere, a AMA about it. Although it may not be under this username. There is quite a big group of ex Mormons and JWS. We mix a lot as our experiences as so similar and the control is the same, although Mormons in many ways live a much stricter life, our food is much more controlled and our money. JW also openly shun whereas Mormons don't openly although as told we are things like lazy learners and las disciples and members shouldn't talk to us about doubts or talk about issues etc.

I'm sorry if my opinion offends you, I find her opinion offensive and your defence of that difficult, but I can tell you are a really caring person and I'm sure from your upset, a lovely friend who just wants to defend your friends honour.

mainsfed · 09/05/2021 04:16

We got one too, handwritten, addressed to us and posted.

Beautifully written, i didn’t find it intrusive, but didn’t read beyond the first couple of lines and recycled it.

mainsfed · 09/05/2021 04:31

@Newnamefor2021

I remember both my grandparents hating Germans and it just so happened I had a good friend who was German and so I introduced her and slowly they accepted that Germans weren't nazis. They were very wrong and offensive in their thinking but that challenging of their prejudices helped them see that things weren't as they see.

Did you tell your GPs they were racist?

Steelix · 09/05/2021 08:02

I am defending her from being called homophobic It's quite different from being a racist, unless your grandmother was brainwashed by a cult into having racist beliefs

If she was brainwashed into having racist beliefs would you be defending her and claiming she's not racist?

Newnamefor2021 · 09/05/2021 10:06

[quote mainsfed]@Newnamefor2021

I remember both my grandparents hating Germans and it just so happened I had a good friend who was German and so I introduced her and slowly they accepted that Germans weren't nazis. They were very wrong and offensive in their thinking but that challenging of their prejudices helped them see that things weren't as they see.

Did you tell your GPs they were racist?[/quote]
Yes, numerous times. Doesn't help she was a daily mail reader so believed all that rubbish they sprout but any comments made to me or the family were always challenged.

Newnamefor2021 · 09/05/2021 10:09

@Steelix

I am defending her from being called homophobic It's quite different from being a racist, unless your grandmother was brainwashed by a cult into having racist beliefs

If she was brainwashed into having racist beliefs would you be defending her and claiming she's not racist?

No, I wouldn't, just as I wouldn't/don't defended my own beliefs from when I was in a cult.
Newnamefor2021 · 09/05/2021 10:52

Seen as I'm being singled out for suggesting someone being homophobic is being homophobic then let's look at this another way.

If a 100 year old woman insisted and advocated for FGM because that's what her religion had brainwashed her to thinking was right, would that be ok? Would we accept that and think, she's a lovely lady?

Captpike · 09/05/2021 12:51

Homophobia is homophobe, regardless of the reason.

Definately · 09/05/2021 12:54

@scrivette

Yes it is.

I have had a letter and I know a few others have too. It was such a shame as I was pleased to have received a handwritten letter as it's rare now... I was most disappointed when I read it!

I was just glad it wasn't a note from a neighbour complaining about noise or something Blush

Captpike · 09/05/2021 12:59

@HHSchultz

Captpike, yes of course that would be a reason to be angry. I don't think the parents have absolute rights over medical decisions for a child do they? It would always be challenged legally I think.
Sometimes it's too late by that point.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/7734480/Teenage-Jehovahs-Witness-refuses-blood-transfusion-and-dies.html

The parents should be done for negligence.

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