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Does anyone else have a friend with this habit?

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Mindthesheep · 24/04/2021 10:25

I have a long standing friend for some 20+ years.

Broadly we have the same outlook on life although some differences as is normal in any friendship. In usual times we may see them once every 6 weeks. We all enjoy meeting up, and she is a really lovely person.

As lovely as she is, she has one really annoying habit that I am finding increasing hard to tolerate and it starts with “what you should do is............” Its not a discussion, or have you thought about X it’s - “ you should do.....”

She insists on trying to tell me what and how to do things, almost goes into teacher/pupil or adult/child mode. I am a grown adult and as I’ve got older I am finding myself less tolerant. Her DH is the same but my DH is really quick witted and bats away the advice with humour.

She doesn’t really have a sense of humour so is quite serious. I usually reply in quite a flippant way or more annoyingly justify why I am doing the thing my way or sometimes shut it down ( ie when telling me what my Kids should do)

We saw them on Wednesday this week, outside, just for a quick drink at my home. After such a lockdown break I realised how tense and annoyed I was during the evening following a “next time, what you should do is” 10 mins after arriving.

I just find it quite rude. Luckily as they are not someone whose opinion I value it doesn’t affect me as such, it just slightly sours the evening. Having realised this, I want to tackle it in a way that leaves the friendship intact.

But I just wondered has anyone else come across this and how do you deal with it?

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Oversize · 24/04/2021 10:28

'Yes Mum' and a massive teenage eye roll then laugh.
Do it every time.

Mindthesheep · 24/04/2021 10:28

I also realise that I actually don’t tell her about things and plans, to avoid the unwanted advice. The advice Wednesday was on something she could see!

I usually just ask lots of questions about her in the evening to keep the conversation on her.

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Oversize · 24/04/2021 10:33

Or look at her really puzzled for a couple of seconds while not saying anything and then make a really obvious change of subject.

Or when it's just you 2, say cheerfully , 'I don't like it when you try to tell me what to do' and then move the conversation on.

Oversize · 24/04/2021 10:34

I'll do it my own way thanks.

Xiaoxiong · 24/04/2021 10:35

I have a couple of friends like this. They're "fixers". I now clearly state before I tell them the issue "So I need to tell you what's going on but before I tell you, just so you know, I don't need any suggestions of what to do about this, I'm just venting".

I also recognise that I myself have "fixer" tendencies so I try very hard not to jump in with the suggestions and say "gosh that sounds tough, do you want suggestions or is it helping just to talk about it?" DH also sometimes reminds me by saying "I don't need you to fix this, I just want you to listen" if I forget and it reminds me to bite my tongue!

Isadora2007 · 24/04/2021 10:37

You say she “almost goes into teacher/pupil or adult/child mode.”
So you need to see if this pushes you down into child mode in response as likely it does. So you will either be jokey or sullen in response. Which strengthens her mode to control and help guide you. What you need to do is pull the conversation back to adult to adult principles. “Friend, I know you mean well but I honestly don’t need your advice on this- I’m happy with how I’m choosing to do things. Thank you. So, what about this new series of line of duty?” Etc. Pull her up as an adult but not in a confrontational or emotional way. If she says “oh I just think that it might be better for you if you did c y or z” again be adult and say “again, thanks but I’m happy dealing with this myself”. Stay adult and don’t slip into child mode yourself.

TheMethodicalMeerkat · 24/04/2021 10:55

Yes I do have one particular friend like that. She’s actually a lovely person in so many ways but she’s so used to being the organiser or ‘fixer’ for her parents and siblings she goes straight into fix it mode when it’s not necessary or wanted. Added to that, in recent years she’s had a job that does require her to be the planner/organiser/decision maker and that seems to have made her worse! I find her really overbearing sometimes.

Like @Xiaoxiong I find I have to be clear that I just want to vent before I say anything but even then she can still switch to fix it mode. I don’t want to hurt her feelings as she is genuinely a good, supportive friend but sometimes I’ve just stopped mid sentence and given her a LOOK or said Ok thanks, let’s change the subject in response to unasked for advice, which makes her realise she’s overstepped. She’s actually super sensitive to criticism so it almost feels like I’ve slapped her in the face but if I didn’t push back I think I’d eventually have to step away from the friendship.

Sandgrown1970 · 24/04/2021 11:00

Ugh pet hate.

With me it’s usually in response to chronic illness which I only refer to when it’s debilitating.

“You should try homeopathy/acupuncture/the law of attraction/these vitamins from Holland and Barrett and it will go away in no time.”

“My brother cut out gluten and it cured his cancer/hiv/schizophrenia”

Thanks. The NHS is struggling to treat it and I’ve spent 30 years trying lots of self help methods. Do you really think I haven’t tried everything?

Usually it’s with a tone of judgement too, as if illness is always the sufferers fault.

I’ve one friend who I dearly love and recent conversations have been like this;

“Someone broke into the shed last night and stole thousands of pounds worth of equipment and the kids and DHs mountain bikes and ski equipment.”

“You should call the police.”

“We have.”

“AND? What are they/you doing about it?!”

“They are investigating.”

“You should get CCTV and an alarm. You should tell all the neighbours too as it could be them next.”

“We’ve handed over the CCTV footage and told the neighbours. It is alarmed and has its own security light. They somehow managed to override the alarm.”

“Well, you need a new alarm. And stop keeping expensive stuff in the shed. You need to check your insurance.”

“We have checked the insurance. We are getting (company) out to look at the alarm.”

“You need them out TODAY. You need to get this sorted.”

“Well, we’ve done everything we can. We’re just a bit upset and shocked, really.”

“Unfortunately these things happen. It’s just part of life and you need to accept that. They’ve not done anything serious. You need to stop looking at the negative.”

Hmm

Would it be that hard to say “sorry to hear that, hope the police catch them, it must have been a shock x”.

Recently a mutual friend was really upset by her because her teenage daughter (just 18 at end of August) has dropped out of uni, moved in with a drug dealer, planning a wedding and pregnancy with him, and he keeps getting arrested and she’s concerned for her safety. It’s been utterly devastating for her, she screenshotted and sent me the conversation with the friend above and it was like this.

“I’m worried sick about Bethany. He’s been going with prostitutes and God knows who else and she’s admitted to me they are trying for a baby so they aren’t using protection. I can’t believe this is happening.”

“Try being happy for her. They are a young couple at the start of their lives with the world at their feet.”

“She’s given up on her education to move in with a drug dealer. She’s been at the scene of two crimes he’s committed. She could have been killed at the last one. She wanted to be a primary teacher. If she goes back to uni in the future, she’s got no chance of doing what she dreamed of without a clean DBS. I’m worried sick I’ll get a phonecall saying she’s dead. He’s a dangerous man. She’s no job, no education, he’s trying to trap her into marriage and kids, there’s drugs in that house. It’s a nightmare.”

“You sound anxious. You need to go to the GP. And stop funding her. She’ll soon learn she needs to get a job.”

“I’m not funding her. She’s living with him. I paid her uni fees and accommodation for the year and I won’t get that back. I’m not worried about that. I just want my daughter back.”

“So go and get her then!”

“She’s 18. She doesn’t want to come back and live with us. She wants him.”

“Then welcome him into the family. You need to accept she’s an adult. Stop babying her and expecting her to live the life you want.”

“It’s not a case of babying her! She is in danger and I’m scared for her. I just want her to be safe.”

“You need to stop dwelling on the negatives. She’ll be fine. Give him a chance to mend his ways, he’ll probably grow out of it.”

I honestly don’t know how we’ve all managed to stay friends with her.

Mindthesheep · 24/04/2021 11:08

Thank you everyone. Some good advice.

Yes I can see her being a fixer, and hadn’t thought of that. This is what’s so hard with this behaviour as she is a nice person and I’m sure means well. Problem is when you try to fix without the person asking or it means you are criticising a person for something that doesn’t need fixing. Good you can see yourself and stop when it’s not needed.

And yes I do slightly go into child mood. I love the phrase “ thanks but honestly I don’t need your advice on this” and change the subject. I am going to go to our next catch up with that in my bag.

This week was effectively criticising an lovely section of our garden, by saying without me asking “ now.....next time when you do the next section what you should do is plant it X way”

Just rude!

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AbstractHeart · 24/04/2021 11:11

I'm probably like your friend haha. I find that when it comes to problems people are usually either solution-focused or emotion-focused (& just want to be told "yeah that's shit").

It annoys me when I vent and my friends DON'T offer suggestions! & it also annoys my when my friends whine on and on about something and ignore my solutions that would solve their problem! So maybe your friend feels just as annoyed by you as you are by her?

As others have said you need to acknowledge that you have different ways of approaching problems, & perhaps remind each other before you vent.

Mindthesheep · 24/04/2021 11:19

Sorry don’t know how to tag people but yes it is awful when people try to advise but don’t understand illness. I know how frustrating that is.

My DD has chronic health issues so learnt to drive in an automatic having tried manual. Anything that makes her life easier is a win. Just seeing her driving is amazing and she has a lovely little car now. However I ( and DD) were told “ no you shouldn’t do that, what you should do is learn to drive in a manual. You need to go to X racecourse that do manual driving sessions as that worked for my DD. Despite explaining why ( there I go justifying my actions again!) She then sent me and DD the details for the place. Didn’t listen and didn’t understand.

And yes she would not take criticism well but reading these answers makes me realise I do need to gently and firmly tackle this.

Thank you everyone for replying.

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Gothichouse40 · 24/04/2021 11:24

I don't tell anyone I have health issues now. Everyone either has had it, had it worse than me or seems to be a dr now. Also my MIL was very good at telling people what they should do about xyz. Sadly, it did not win her many friends. It's something I definitely try not to do.

Maggiesfarm · 24/04/2021 11:29

Oh gosh that is awful, so is, "What you need to do...", or "What you want to do....", both of which some people say. I always reply, "How do you know what I want/need/should?".

Chatanooga1 · 24/04/2021 11:33

Show her YouTube clips of Harry Enfield’s character -

"You Don't Want To Do It Like That"

An infuriating know-it-all father who advised various people with both household tasks and diverse jobs, such as a football pundit. This was Enfield's take on the traditional "mother-in-law" stereotype.

Mindthesheep · 24/04/2021 11:33

Don’t get me wrong. I hate people who moan and don’t do anything about it. I’m not doing that. Or if I was venting and wanted solutions absolutely. Or even if I asked for her expertise or advice. Or if she had some ideas for an area of my life - that’s fine. It’s being told what to do that’s frustrating.

However, this is just chatting, no issues and offering unwanted advice, for a problem that doesn’t exist. Really doesn’t exist.

Another one after my DS had been accepted into a good college he liked and we were chatting casually about his next steps she said “ no he shouldn’t go there. What he should do is go to X college that my kid went to. It’s better .....” It wasn’t as it didn’t do the subject he wanted but what needed fixing - nothing.

If she said “ did he look at X college, my kid enjoyed it there ?” Then the conversation would naturally flow and it would be an easier discussion without me being told what to do or feeling like I need to justify decisions.

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Chatanooga1 · 24/04/2021 11:35
Mindthesheep · 24/04/2021 11:35

Haha I remember the Harry Enfield character now you say it. Will have to picture that next time she starts.

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PhilCornwall1 · 24/04/2021 11:41

My father does this, everything is "Well I know exactly what you should do...."

I did leave it until the last time he did it, I told him "as right as he always thinks he is, on this and several other occasions, he doesn't have a bloody clue what he's talking about."

He's not done it since, but took great exception to being told he didn't have a clue.

CalaminePink · 24/04/2021 11:48

My SIL. And I’m a pretty direct person, but she is so unimaginative and unresponsive to even quite direct snubs, changes of topic, me saying crisply ‘Yeah, we’ve got this, thanks’ — and I can see my brother cringing on her behalf while she ploughs on — I just tend to ignore. She means well, and I can’t be any more direct without actually saying ‘Please stop offering advice on things I’m not asking you for advice on.’

SmiledWithTheRisingSun · 24/04/2021 14:01

@Sandgrown1970 your friend sounds batshit.

wombatgoeswild · 24/04/2021 14:05

I'm a fixer. Made worse by training in advice giving. It becomes a habit. I'm trying hard to fix it but forget sometimes. 😁

ProfYaffle · 24/04/2021 14:24

I had a friend like that - she drove me mad and made me feel like the friendship was built on the understanding that she was the superior party. I to extricate myself before serious physical harm was committed!

GameofPhones · 24/04/2021 14:34

I have a neighbour like this, and I got a hoody with the motto 'The best advice is - don't give it'

ilovebagpuss · 24/04/2021 14:44

Ha! My DF is like this always finds something we should have done, not just say “oh I like the new patio it’s very tidy” it’s always “it’s nice but you should have used X material or put it at X location” it’s quite depressing.
Your friend could have just admired your hard work and asked you what you had planned for the next patch.
I like helping and offering advice if I’m asked for it but I never tell people what they could do after the project is done it’s rude and hurtful.
Also when people make obvious suggestions that would cost you more money than you clearly have “ oh you should put a summerhouse there and get some bifold doors”
Yeah I’d love to just pass the cash over!
It’s best to be blunt and just say “oh we really like it this way but thanks for criticising it” it might be awkward for a bit but move on and hopefully she will think on it.

Shinyletsbebadguys · 24/04/2021 14:45

This drives me nuts and I have to say I can be remarkably direct. I find it really quite arrogant. A particular ex colleague of mine was a pain with it (and apparently quite literally knew everything about everything....I'm reasonably sure if I had told her I has having brain surgery she would have been an instant expert with tips to give to the surgeon Hmm).

I have to say I have been direct enough to say " You do realise I am an adult and you are implying you know better about this than I do? I didn't ask for advice so please stop you are being offensive". In my defence I had been really provoked that day.

It was met by a very poor me response that they were only trying to help but we have a saying in my house. Its not help if it wasn't asked for, its interfering. That response does upset people I admit but I kind of think , for me, why is their upset more valid than mine at being patronised. Possibly not the best way to deal with it but it works for us