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Insular towns and villages

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Cactus1982 · 20/04/2021 19:23

Has anyone else ever lived or worked on of these places? By insular I mean fearful, mistrustful and in some cases down right hostile to ‘outsiders’? There’s a large village about fifteen minutes outside of the town I live in that has always had a reputation for being like this. Apparently, in non Covid times if you as an outsider walked into a pub there it would go quiet and everyone would stare at you. I always took this with a pinch of salt until I started working there this last week. I swear that as I walk from my car down the street people slow down and stare intently at me as though I’ve got three heads. I know we are living in strange times, but this is very unnerving. I was also asked by someone how far I’d traveled to get there and when I told them they said ‘oooooh that’s a long way’ as though I’d come from Mars or somewhere. It’s not a long way, it’s a fifteen minute drive! I’d never actually have believed it had it not experienced it with my own eyes!

Are there any other places like this in the UK?

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choli · 21/04/2021 18:26

Pretty much any village in Donegal.

Babygotblueyes · 21/04/2021 18:54

we moved to a small market town in the Midlands about 40 years ago - coming from a big city I hated it, was 'the new girl' at high school for my whole time there, found people narrow minded and insular. After travelling and living all over, I moved back about 10 years ago. It is completely different, much more cosmopolitan, lots of artists and others have moved in (it is regularly on best places to live lists) and it feels completely different. What is interesting is that, when i meet people who I was at school with (having hated everyone) they are all really nice and friendly.

NeverBeenNormal · 21/04/2021 19:05

I lived in a small town in Norfolk and they were very hostile to strangers in the shops. I went into the butchers to buy two or three items and was told "No, we can't do that, we've got customers to serve". When I offered to pop back later, they still wouldn't accept my order. Needless to say that was the last time I went there.

I've been stared at so many times in shops in remote Norfolk and Suffolk villages, I've lost count. One small village on The Broads had a problem with ducks wandering in and put a sign up (at duck level) on the door "Ducks please note, you are NOT allowed in the shop". I remarked to the shopkeeper that I had seen two ducks looking at the sign and he said "Yes, we haven't had any problems since we put that sign up." I THINK he was joking but I did feel that I had wandered into an episode of The League of Gentlemen.

Incognitool · 21/04/2021 19:23

@WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld

I live in a large village that is hostile to locals. The local accent is hated. When dc were small other Mums at playgroup moved away if they heard a local accent and it has been said to me they would hate their child to pick up the accent At first I thought I was imaging it but it's happened to other people. Friend and I joined a group and the facilitator asked where we were from as they didn't recognise the accent HmmGrin
But who is being hostile to locals? Are you saying ‘blow-ins’ run the village and discriminate against people who were born there, and accents from Liverpool to Lithuania were welcome as long as they weren’t the local one? What happens when blow-ins settle?
Erictheavocado · 21/04/2021 19:42

When dh and I got married, we moved to a large town about 30 miles away. I was able to get a transfer to an office nearer to our new home. This office was in a small market town about ten miles or so from our new address. It was very clear that locals and 'incomers' did not mix, either in the office or socially, to the extent that even things like Christmas nights put etc, were separate! Basically, if you weren't born and raised within about five miles of the town, you were regarded with suspicion. One of the incomers had worked there for 20 years! I managed about 4 months before leaving the job. I know others who have moved to that town and all have similar experiences.

Cheeseandlobster · 21/04/2021 20:27

@Gwenhwyfar

"It happenned to me too in Bala. Very unfriendly shopworkers. I assure you it definitely goes on"

Oh, I believe that you THINK it goes on for the reasons I gave before, but I do NOT BELIEVE it goes on.

I know because I was there when it happenned and someone came on this thread later saying it happenned to them in the same town. Unless you are some invisible floaty angel type person who can simultaneously witness all the conversations that have ever happenned, you cannot categorically say it does not happen
BentonWesley · 21/04/2021 20:32

Whitehaven in Cumbria.

WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld · 21/04/2021 20:44

Obviously not everyone is like that and I have friends that are not local but there is a very definite group that have moved in and dislike locals. I'm pretty sure it's the accent they hate and fear their kids catching it

babbaloushka · 21/04/2021 21:01

@Cheeseandlobster That poster also very conveniently ignored my corroborative post as it didn't fit their narrative. I imagine they're feeling a little targeted...

Ohgawd2020 · 21/04/2021 21:02

Our village can be like this. More so since covid as we had lots of visitors who broke the rules to come and then quite literally pooped in the woods... didn’t even take their soiled wet wipes with them. Any car with a London number plate looked upon with suspicion.

FrozenVag · 21/04/2021 21:35

Princes Risborough was like this

I have never forgotten how unfriendly it felt and yes people turned and stared 😂

mermaidsariel · 21/04/2021 21:43

@BentonWesley

Whitehaven in Cumbria.
That’s where we moved to in Cumbria as a child interestingly enough.
mermaidsariel · 21/04/2021 21:46

There are also many places that are incredibly unfriendly and it’s very hard to integrate. Not because you are an ‘outsider’ but because there are so many people from other places that there is no real community. I‘ve lived in a fair few of those places too.

mermaidsariel · 21/04/2021 21:50

@Gwenhwyfar

"I can only imagine the facebook group for the more insular villages would implode if you said you were moving from London. Maybe throw in a comment about having a £1m budget to buy a new home, as you'll be selling your two bed flat in London grin"

That's basically Escape to the Country.

Grin😂
Iknowtheanswer · 21/04/2021 21:58

The pub thing is funny. I think it happens anywhere where there is a real locals pub, regardless of whether it's a town or a village.

I once walked into a packed pub in Harrow and the pub went silent and watched us as we went to the bar to order a drink. We edged back towards the door, and my friend tried to act casual, stuck a pound into the fruit machine, and won the jackpot on his first spin. Never been so scared in my life - he collected the winnings, we slipped out of the door and ran.

Sunnyday321 · 21/04/2021 22:03

A fair few years ago, and I live quite close to it, but one evening not in the tourist season called into the pub in Avebury - we actually thought the locals heads would spin on their shoulders !

Percypigg · 21/04/2021 22:04

Leicestershire village referred to, Kibworth?

Cheeseandlobster · 21/04/2021 22:22

[quote babbaloushka]@Cheeseandlobster That poster also very conveniently ignored my corroborative post as it didn't fit their narrative. I imagine they're feeling a little targeted...[/quote]
Quite possibly. The thing is you get rude people everywhere. It wasn't a slight on Wales or Welsh people. We met some lovely friendly people on that holiday. And if the weather was guaranteed I would holiday in Wales every year. Tenby is my favourite place in probably the world

BerniesMittens · 21/04/2021 23:19

The village I live in is very friendly to your face.

Local pub is 3 miles away. No fast food delivery, Ocado don't deliver. One takeaway, open 4 evenings until 7:30 pm.

We find out what we've done to our house from other friends in the village Grin
Apparently taking down the pergola was worthy of discussion in the village Grin

South Lincs.

TheRuralLife89 · 21/04/2021 23:21

Burntisland in Fife. I once had to go there for work and was stared at everywhere I went...got talking to one woman and she was astonished by the fact I'd come such a "long" way, and that I was going to also drive back later that day. She was literally open mouthed with amazement. It was only a 40 minute drive!

DIshedUp · 21/04/2021 23:36

Honestly I lived in Wales for years, travelled all over and not once did people start speaking Welsh as I walked in

The thing with Welsh is it often takes a while to realise someone is speaking Welsh because its littered with English words. I have a couple of friends who are Welsh first language and it would take me a while to realise I couldn't understand a word they were saying on the phone!

People who speak Welsh as a first language will speak Welsh to one another, because its their language

I think also a lot of Welsh speakers are excited to speak Welsh, and if they have the opportunity they will. They've got no reason to know when you walk through the door of the pub that you too don't speak welsh

Tambourina · 21/04/2021 23:37

Most of Cornwall in my experience

DIshedUp · 21/04/2021 23:39

Also I think a lot of places are quite negative to people moving in from London because I think Londoners can be quite insular, and don't tend to integrate as much as other people who move to the area. You often get communities of londoners forming and they don't like to let go of being a londoner.

I grew up in Kent so lots of londoners moved down and theres people I've known for 25 years who moved out when they were 2 who make a big song and dance of being a londoner. And there's groups of people who moved from London, because God forbid they socialise with the locals. They only moved an hour down the road

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 21/04/2021 23:47

I assumed it was a 'local' thing and a one off, until I lived in Gwynedd for four and half years... I was surprised to be greeted by 'GO HOME ENGLISH BASTARDS' spray painted across the road in front of the university in foot-high letters when I first arrived, and then the language switch happened several times during the years I lived there.

That was one sad individual/small group, though - you get those everywhere. If they were actually locals, they would know that Bangor University has students from all across the world (and Scotland/NI) - not just England. It wasn't a project that the local council put to a public vote and then organised once it was carried unanimously!

I learned a (shamefully) small amount of Welsh when I was there, but always relied on being able to communicate everywhere in English. I never had the slightest issue. The only ill-feeling I observed was when certain boorish people treated the Welsh language as a silly hobby that the locals persisted with, just to be difficult.

As a PP said it's quite easy to notice a change in tone, cadence and rhythm when the spoken language changes, it completely different to the mixture of Welsh and English the passengers on the bus used, for example!

I did indeed notice that first-language Welsh speakers had a different cadence to their voices, but many of them had the same cadence when they spoke in English. They spoke using perfect English grammar and vocabulary, but rhythmically, it still sounded Welsh, IYKWIM. I have a very good friend who comes from South Wales who speaks even less Welsh than I do, but he still has the same cadence. A lot of it is purely down to Welsh accents rather than the actual language they're speaking. Listen to British people speaking French or German - the vast majority who have learned diligently might speak the language perfectly, but they still don't 'sound' like a French or German person, beyond the actual words. Many don't even realise that there's a difference and presumably just think it's individual accents.

Also, aside from the fact that your average Welsh person and average English person really don't look noticeably different from each other, as you would guess, the Welsh language is most prevalent in parts of the country that are well inside Wales - you don't get many FL Welsh speakers in the borderlands. I don't deny at all that there are unpleasant, hostile, insular people everywhere, but how could such a person in Gwynedd or Ceredigion be so certain that their 'foreigner' wasn't from another Welsh-speaking village, just by looking at them, before presumably starting to make rude, insulting comments about them?

You get nasty people everywhere, but I don't think some English people quite grasp what communication is like for a lot of FL Welsh speakers. Just because they all speak English perfectly, it doesn't mean that it makes no difference to them which one they speak. As you say, they will almost always graciously speak in English to accommodate those who don't speak Welsh, but it doesn't mean that they don't still think in Welsh or that, however perfect their English, they aren't more comfortable in their own language.

I've observed certain English people look gone-out at a FL Welsh speaker who is speaking to them in English when they take a second to think of the English word for something or momentarily stumble, as if they must be completely stupid - oblivious to the fact, if the other person were speaking their 'own' language, they themselves wouldn't have the remotest clue.

purdypuma · 22/04/2021 07:29

My dad's Sheffield born & bred, always said (pre-covid) that when there's a funeral in Stocksbridge they all sit at the same side of the church as they're all related!🤣

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