Daily Mail using us, is this fair?

[slaze]

I, like a lot of mumsnetters pour our hearts out here on mumsnet sharing our internal thoughts and some of the most desperate times of our lives. Many having to sift through every post trying not to reveal any identifiable details (risking their anonymity) because of fearing that our posts will be stolen from the relative safety of the mumsnet platform and shared around the world of the Daily Mail. I fear this greatly. If we wanted our lives/opinions shared with a newspaper surely we would contact them directly.

Aside from extremely lazy journalism how can they publish (as fact/news) something that is hardly from a credible source (we've all seen fake posts from time to time). It isn't helping their reputation and people doubting the truth and facts they read in National newspapers.

How do you feel about this?

Also Mumsnet what is your opinion on this?

@slaze

I really feel posters need protecting. I don't know if writing at the end of the first post a statement saying you don't give permission for it to be shared anywhere would help?

Oh for goodness sake Of course it wouldn't. What on Earth gives you the idea that it would?

Are you referring to the post today about the woman telling her husband how much she earns, then being horrified that he ran it through an online take-home pay calculator?

I thought that was a bit of a ridiculous thread (as the OP clearly didn't realise that he really wasn't doing anything sneaky / underhand and that he literally just typed a figure into an online tool) but I have just seen it reported as an actual article in the DM and I am

I have always seen the "fuck off DM" comments but this is the first time I have actually seen it happening.

"Lazy journalism" doesn't even cover it. It's an absolute nonsense. I can't quite believe someone has gone to the effort of typing out this absolute non story.

Awful. I don't even really know what to say.

Mumsnet stats are used by news channels too .. saw if the other day. On dinner time news as a gauge of opinion & interest

It's a public forum, absolutely no safety at all. There's times I am shocked by what some women share on here ( recent examples are a lady thinking she might kill her baby due to postnatal depression and a lady who's pregnant but partner is terrifying her emotionally when smoking cannabis) personally I wouldn't be comfortable sharing such personal issues online

People who post such personal issues online don't seem to realise ( or perhaps they do, maybe they just don't care?) that you can be located and tracked down. Nothing private at all.
I'm saying that I do really like the lighthearted discussions on mn and other public forums. I just wouldn't share or ask advice on deeply personal issues.

@slaze

I really feel posters need protecting. I don't know if writing at the end of the first post a statement saying you don't give permission for it to be shared anywhere would help?

Goodness, how naive you are!

No of course this won't make any difference.

You should read the terms of usage of Mumsnet (scroll right down to the very bottom of the screen if you're on a laptop/PC). But this in particular:

We may now or in the future permit users to post, upload, transmit through, or otherwise make available on the site (collectively, "submit") messages, recipes, text, illustrations, files, images, graphics, photos, comments, sounds, music, videos, information, content, and/or other materials ("User Content"). We have the right to publish, edit or reject any User Content that you send us either via email, via the site or in writing via post for any purpose whatsoever, commercial or otherwise, without payment to you - unless we have specifically agreed otherwise in writing prior to submission

By submitting User Content to us, simultaneously with such posting you automatically grant to us a worldwide, fully-paid, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, fully sublicensable, and transferable right and license to use, record, sell, lease, reproduce, distribute, create derivative works based upon (including, without limitation, translations), publicly display, publicly perform, transmit, publish and otherwise exploit the User Content (in whole or in part) as Mumsnet, in its sole discretion, deems appropriate. We may exercise this grant in any format, media or technology now known or later developed for the full term of any copyright that may exist in such User Content

It's not just other media but Mumsnet themselves have the right to use anything you've posted too.

It's a huge mistake to think that this is a private or safe space

@bruffin

There is a board on MN that is not searchable in search engines, so post on that

I bet all the journos know about that one though!

I know@Biwi

@tuttifuckinfruity How is it “awful” or “upsetting”? This is a public forum.

Thing is, as has been said a million times OP. We aren't the customers, we're the product. This isn't sort of safe space and if you don't want your content lifted for whatever reason then don't post it.

[quote emilyfrost]**@tuttifuckinfruity How is it “awful” or “upsetting”? This is a public forum.[/quote]
@emilyfrost

I didn't say it was upsetting. Did you mean to tag me in that?

I did say it was awful but you misunderstood me. It is a public forum and as such I have no problem with anything on it being public and repeatable.

I was referring to the fact that copying this rubbish is referred to as "journalism" and the fact that people are actually spending their time scouring MN and copying and pasting and evidently getting paid for it.

Hope that clarifies it for you.

@tuttifuckinfruity You posted a face three times so yes, you gave the impression it was upsetting.

It’s lazy but I don’t have a problem with it 🤷‍♀️ People do read those articles.

@emilyfrost I don't find it upsetting. I guess I was using the emoji to convey surprise / disappointment.

That's absolutely fine if you don't have a problem with journalism like that.

Personally, I'm disappointed in the dumbing down of the industry and the internet getting so clogged full of shite by something that was fairly mundane the first time being pounced on by "journalists" and repeated again.

I was merely expressing my surprise and disappointment at seeing this in action for the first time. When people had referred to MN threads ending up in the DM I had assumed it was threads that were interesting / noteworthy / dramatic / incredibly funny etc.
I didn't realise they literally copied any old thread and just regurgitated it.

Well, I agree with you Op. I started a similar thread today, and have been directed to yours. Some people are just too vulnerable and others should recognise this and use a bit of decency.

I don't buy the Mail (though occasionally look at headlines online, along with other publications), so wouldn't know. I doubt anyone takes it seriously anyway so why worry?

The other thing about Mumsnet is that you have absolutely no idea who any poster is.

There are lots of 'experts' giving their 'expert opinion/knowledge' or those who 'work in the field' or whose partner does. Or who 'have experienced' this or that.

Imagine wanting to start a campaign on a particular issue. What a smart wheeze it would be to set up a whole lot of Mumsnet accounts and post hundreds of times to look as if a whole lot of people felt the same way. You could do that as an individual, an organisation or even a government.

Mumsnet can be a source of entertainment, support and information. It can be very useful. But don't accept anything important as true without checking elsewhere.

@ssd

Its the internet. Its not a day round your mums.

I love that. I’ll remember for next time.

Yes, you have said this on an open forum. Anyone in the world can read it.

I should point out that the above is true about the whole internet. It's not fair to single out one site. Sorry, Mumsnet!

I know my DP isn't a regular reader of Mumsnet but is of the Daily Mail.

He reads the Mail? LTB.

There have been numerous times that I have deleted things instead of pressing "post" because I don't want it to be picked up by the DM etc. Some of my life circumstances are fairly specific. I also name change quite frequently. I don't actually have any family support in RL aside from DH, nor any proper friends aside from the other mums at DD's school, most of whom I really don't know very well at all.

It would be something if I didn't feel that MNHQ didn't actively promote the "spicier" threads to increase site traffic. But they do. It puts me off posting, & reading, because I tend to go elsewhere TBH. I certainly wouldn't pay membership. It's not as if they even have a board that caters for me. Despite having been asked, by many users. cough CHRONIC PAIN cough

Well, I agree with you Op. I started a similar thread today, and have been directed to yours. Some people are just too vulnerable and others should recognise this and use a bit of decency. anyone who is that vulnerable should perhaps be discouraged from posting on an open Internet forum.

I have recognised more than one person from RL on here and I’ve never read a copy of the daily mail or indeed any of othe other tabloids in my life.

But it’s surprising how many MN’ers read this trash and then complain that the same stories they’ve read and responded to on here are in there, even though they could just as easily, and have, read it on mumsnet.

Is that you Meghan?
Has the naughty DM been printing your private thoughts again, you know the ones you posted on MN?

Mumsnet stats are used by news channels too .. saw if the other day. On dinner time news as a gauge of opinion & interest
No wonder they are so out of touch with the real world.

It's not fair no. I once got picked up on one of their articles. There were hundreds of comments slating me too. It could've ruined my life. My mental health wasn't the best at the time either and this had extreme repercussions on me at the time. I hadn't done anything wrong btw. That's why I'd never write anything too identifying on here now. The situation absolutely broke me and I was terrified for a long time that someone would know it was me. Never again.