Daily Mail using us, is this fair?

[slaze]

I, like a lot of mumsnetters pour our hearts out here on mumsnet sharing our internal thoughts and some of the most desperate times of our lives. Many having to sift through every post trying not to reveal any identifiable details (risking their anonymity) because of fearing that our posts will be stolen from the relative safety of the mumsnet platform and shared around the world of the Daily Mail. I fear this greatly. If we wanted our lives/opinions shared with a newspaper surely we would contact them directly.

Aside from extremely lazy journalism how can they publish (as fact/news) something that is hardly from a credible source (we've all seen fake posts from time to time). It isn't helping their reputation and people doubting the truth and facts they read in National newspapers.

How do you feel about this?

Also Mumsnet what is your opinion on this?

True bruffin but you won't get as many views and journalists can still read it.

the relative safety of the mumsnet platform

It's the fucking internet! Literally millions and millions of people have access to what you write on here!

@Same4Walls

It's a public forum, what you post can be used by anyone.

As a side note I do love how people act like the DM are the only ones who do this. Loads of places pilfer stuff from MN the DM are hardly alone in that respect.

I've heard very similar stories on 6music off here, which the presenter sets a music theme to. The first time I heard it I thought that's odd, I'm sure I read that on here recently. It's happened several times since.

Mumsnet is about as private as a billboard on Times Square.

I think it's rather sad that the 'journalists' go to uni to learn their trade then end up just copy and pasting crap from forums. Can you imagine how soul destroying that must be? Must be really difficult to maintain your self respect.

It isn't helping their reputation

Erm, what? Their reputation is absolute dogshit.

Stop bleating op, you sound like a whiny child. MNHQ make it very clear that this is a public forum.
Mid you don’t like it, go write an anonymous letter to a magazine problem page

is that you Daily Mail?

OP you are very naive - once it's on a public forum it's fair game - nothing you stick at the bottom of your post will make any odds.

And as a PP pointed out, publicity is what MN needs to drive members and advertising.

How do you think the site pays for itself?!

PMSL at “the relative safety of the mumsnet platform.”

At the end of the day, posting on a public forum is like standing blindfold in the town square telling your private business over a loud haler to anyone who walks past. You know what you’re saying, but you have no idea who is walking by and whether you’re recognisable to them.

If you don’t want people to read your private business you need to post in such a way as to assume they’re already reading it. Because you don’t know that they’re not.

So if you don’t want to be recognised in RL then you shouldn’t be posting on a completely public platform where you could be recognised. If you’re recognisable from the tabloids, then you’re recognisable on MN.

And no, mn is not a valuable life-saving resource, nobody should be relying purely on a forum who have the reputation that MN does as their only source of support.

Just realised I've been quoted in the DM today. 😁

Something of mine appeared in two newspapers! Thank god for anonymity

Another side.... I asked a very specific question on financial matters. I didn't want to give details as it was personal and outing, but bloody hell the posters kept probing and probing to get details because they felt they needed 'background' to give advice. Then I was 'rude' because I wouldn't budge after a previous barrage of unwanted opinions. Basically it was pure nosiness

MNHQ have made themselves very clear on this quite a few times. In fact I am sure they must be sick of being asked the same question repeatedly.

I don’t like it much either, but it’s the internet and everything here is public domain. You give up your copyright when you post here. So there is nothing anybody can do.

We are stuck with it.

Just do the obvious things of never posting your name or personal data and blurring details a bit (ages, locations, timescales, and so on)

@CovidCorvid

Just realised I've been quoted in the DM today. 😁

We’re you saying something wise and deeply profound?

@slaze

I really feel posters need protecting. I don't know if writing at the end of the first post a statement saying you don't give permission for it to be shared anywhere would help?

No it really doesn’t help. Although people have tried it in the past. (Everything from “I withhold my consent....” to “Fuck off Daily Mail”.) Complete waste of time and it just makes you look a bit bonkers.

You must understand that anything you post here is legally fair game for reproduction elsewhere. If you’re not happy with that, do not post here. Unfortunately, that’s all there is to it.

It’s a public forum. Anything you post here can be taken and shared by anyone, anywhere.

Writing a statement at the top not giving the permission would be useless, because they don’t need permission - they can just take whatever anyone’s written with it without permission.

Once you post, the words are no longer yours.

It's a public domain so YABU.
if you auvergne to watch what you say, ensure you don't make yourself indefinable, worry about for post ending up in Daily Fail then this is not the forum for you. Best thing you can do is not post on Internet and poor your heart our to a priest or a therapist

"the relative safety of the mumsnet platform"

You know you need to replace the words "the mumsnet platform" with "the internet" to help you put it in context.

Or, if you really want to worry about being outed and targeted and harassed, just go to FWR. The efforts of lurkers with bad intentions there, makes the rest of MN look like rhyme time at your local library

To be fair to OP though, when you get a round up email from MN and see the number of views your thread has had, it's slightly disconcerting...

(None of those threads in attached email screenshot were mine, just as an example!!!)

I don't know if writing at the end of the first post a statement saying you don't give permission for it to be shared anywhere would help?
HA!
Did you get that law degree from the same place DM writers got their degree in journalism?

I do feel a bit nostalgic for the days though when people didn't need to NC so much and so it felt a lot friendlier and you "recognised" people. But this isn't unique to Mumsnet, it's just the development of online forums in general.

The irony of MN gaining a lot more people through fucking penis beaker being publicised so much in the press, annoys me though. It was a shit thread and there was lots of better ones

I do think it's lazy journalism but there's always a risk that things you say online will be picked up by other sources, that's why I wouldn't write anything hugely personal about myself or my family as once it's in the Internet it's out there forever. Some things I don't mind sharing about my own personal experiences, but private family business I just would not put on the Internet for all to see. In fact I rarely start threads, I usually just comment.

There are definitely posters who like to provoke a reaction to test public opinion. Usually pushing an agenda of sorts- agenda du jour is how the government are trying to control us with the latest travel restrictions, they’re ALL over that.

By posting on a huge public forum you've pretty much already given permission for it to be shared anywhere. No 'don't share this!' comment will help because you've already shared it and made it publicly viewable. There is no privacy on MN, like a PP said, if you wouldn't say it in the pub or in the bus queue knowing that someone might overhear, don't say it here.

I think that when you sign up you agree in the T&Cs that Mumsnet own the copyright of everything you post, so they could if they wanted take your posts and publish them on a book and you can do nothing about it.

I think you’re a bit naive if you think the nationals aren’t going to lift content from any public forum. Pre-internet I worked on a regional paper and the nationals would copy stories regularly - just easier to do now.