Policeman refusing to help woman because he's 'had enough'

[withpeaceandlove]

Woman flashed after Sarah Edward vigil 'distraught' as policeman refused to help

www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/woman-sexually-harassed-sarah-everard-23734164

This is so shocking and infuriating to read!
The police really aren't helping themselves in light of recent events.

Another reason why we need tighter law.

Sorry wrong thread!

The arrogance is breathtakingly out of place with current events.
Almost as if they are untouchable.

That's awful but not surprising.

Exactly @TheQueef
Although I doubt he'll get more than a slap on the wrist for literally refusing to do his job so perhaps they are.

@RosemaryShortcake

Another reason why we need tighter law.

How would that help ?

We don't "need" anything more. What we do need is to use what we already have.

Shocking. I wonder what would have happened if the had woman loudly verbally abused him or kicked him? I am NOT saying that it was her responsibiity to do this but perhaps, given it would appear the attitudes of the police aren't going to change any time soon, we need to take a different approach.

Imagine if everyone had that mentality at work?

“Doctor you need to finish sewing this patient up!”

“No! I’ve had enough. Fuck it. Let em die. I can’t be bothered today”

Yes @ProfessorSlocombe I would say it's about better enforcement. The police aren't there to decide what they can and can't be bothered to deal with, they're there to enforce the laws

@Changemusthappen

Shocking. I wonder what would have happened if the had woman loudly verbally abused him or kicked him? I am NOT saying that it was her responsibiity to do this but perhaps, given it would appear the attitudes of the police aren't going to change any time soon, we need to take a different approach.

It's over 20 years since the MacPherson report. Someone joining the Met that year will be looking to retire soon.

I have a lot of admiration for individual officers. But as a whole, the police are rotten to the core. And the more powers we give them, the more rotten they become.

I wonder - purely statistically - how many more flashers, rapists and murderers there are amongst the police ?

@Soubriquet yes exactly! Or any job/profession, no one would get away with not carrying out their basic duties because they've 'had enough'. He should at the very least face some kind of disciplinary action.
Also the part where she says he 'silenced' his female colleague. Disgusting.

@withpeaceandlove

Yes *@ProfessorSlocombe* I would say it's about better enforcement. The police aren't there to decide what they can and can't be bothered to deal with, they're there to enforce the laws

Actually that's not right - and a damn good thing too.

A police officers powers are discretionary. They can choose to use them. Or not. Which is the last creaking defence we have against a totalitarian regime where Priti Patel could order PC1234 to "arrest that man".

By all means, try and create a regime (I use that word with precision) whereby a police officer has to arrest everyone they see who may have broken a law. But it won't go well.

What we really need is to treat the police like any other profession and tear them a new one when they balls up. But just a casual glance at the statistics underpin my previous comment about their rottenness.

In the time I worked for the police I personally knew 2 who committed DV against a number of partners (one of them was finally sacked after the 5th complainant) 1 who was eventually discovered to be a paedophile, one who made a habit of fostering relationships with vulnerable victims he met through his job, lots with drink problems/habitual drink drivers, 1 who had a sexual relationship with a 15 year old (he was in his 30’s)
There are nice ones amongst them, but I would never turn to the police for help.

I read today that the latest wheeze is to send plainclothes officers into nightclubs to protect women. Which a. Ignores the fact that Sarah Everard wasn’t on a big night out, she was just walking home, and, b. Who’s going to feel reassured by that at the moment?!

@Spudlet

I read today that the latest wheeze is to send plainclothes officers into nightclubs to protect women. Which a. Ignores the fact that Sarah Everard wasn’t on a big night out, she was just walking home, and, b. Who’s going to feel reassured by that at the moment?!

Just going on statistics alone, women are far safer as far away from the police as possible at the moment. Men and women.

@withpeaceandlove

Yes *@ProfessorSlocombe* I would say it's about better enforcement. The police aren't there to decide what they can and can't be bothered to deal with, they're there to enforce the laws

Hmm. An interesting take. The police are there to enforce the law. Does that include the law on illegal gatherings? Or only if said gathering is one we want to happen? Because you can't pick and choose either.

I'm certainly not defending the police on this or most other occasions. But you need to decide whether the police should enforce all laws, or not. It can't be both, and you clearly want it to be both.

And, of course, the police are an easy and popular target today. So we believe just about anything and everything that is said about them, whether evidenced or not. But if a tabloid newspaper printed it, then the story must be true.

I am shocked at the lack of coverage regarding the police force in all of this. A police officer has been charged with murder and yet the papers are not making this absolutely clear - why?

@Spudlet

I read today that the latest wheeze is to send plainclothes officers into nightclubs to protect women. Which a. Ignores the fact that Sarah Everard wasn’t on a big night out, she was just walking home, and, b. Who’s going to feel reassured by that at the moment?!

Step 12345678 in the creation of a surveillance state.

I don’t trust the police. I probably never will.

They are choosing which illegal gatherings to enforce the law though bunch of football fans no real effort to enforce the law extinction rebellion nope BLM maybe overall yes but very few arrests and more working with taking the knee soundbites and support bunch of women want a vigil because a police officer killed someone ahhh THATS ILLEGAL

Yeah, mate. Women have had enough too.

A lot of the first responses that follow the tweet that stats "'If you can't go to the police when this happens, what can you do?" blame her or don't believe her.

Things will never change.

Things will change if we want them to and have the will. The current approach is not working and it would seem isn't going to change anytime soon. The only thing that's planned is that a few officers get a night out at a club.

Anyway women can effect change, we just need to work out how to do it within the law. I know this is us havent to do it but waiting for someone else isn't going go work.

Perhaps someone could invent a very small camera that attaches to clothing so these things are recorded - and then reported. If they aren't taken seriously they are posted on-line.

In extreme circumstances maybe women need to put a tracker on themselves when doing certain activities.

A voice triggered phone app that upon saying a key word sends an alert.

I expect these sound stupid but frankly we need to get more inventive here and we need to have proof.

@GCAcademic

Yeah, mate. Women have had enough too.

This

Body cams are definitely a thing but tend not to be subtle.

There's a retired police officer near me who was all over the papers after being charged with touching up young women. Part of his defence was that they were jumping on the "me too" bandwagon. The charges weren't upheld due to lack of evidence.