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Illegal school admission policy aid by LEA

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REDHEN12 · 12/03/2021 22:08

Nightmare..... before I start everything say I say is the truth and I have documentary evidence to prove it. Here we go. Time for the move up to secondary school. Family thinking of moving out of the area but not sure due to circumstances. So completed form SA3 with school choices in order of preference and sent that to LEA and waited. My boy has SEN. Finally received a letter from the LEA addressed only to me with decision notice regarding my three choices. All were refused. So decided not to move out of the area ie down south. Two days later from the decision notice received a letter from the academy school which was our third choice stating that they had received a copy letter from the LEA acknowledging that we didn’t get a place at their school and we could appeal through the schools independent panel and so we did. Day one was in the hall with all parents appealing. We new we were up against it straight away when the headmaster stood up and stated if your child has Sen needs you needn’t think your coming here as we don’t have sufficient Sen resources. Eventually we got to the day of our own personal hearing. Going into the meeting guided by the clerk to the independent panel she asked if we were no longer moving down south. This struck a cord with my wife as we had not told anybody other than the LEA in our choices of school. So the appeal meeting went ahead. We put our case according to the schools admission policy and referred to our child’s SEN needs where again the head suggested we go to another school that could cater for SEN needs. I also noticed that the headmaster had a copy of our form SA3 which fool me I didn’t pick up on. Appeal meeting over we went home and waited. Later advised we didn’t get a place under the pretext of the schools appeals policy. We stewed on this for a while and then decided to do a subject access request both to the academy we appealed to and my sons junior school before. The academy disclosed a copy of the confidential letter addressed only to me at my home address with the decision notice detailing our school preference in order of preference. The headmaster at public meetings had previously stated that if you don’t put us down as first choice you won’t get in. So thenLEA had processed confidential data which had been passed through the school to the headmaster and then the independent clerk informed of the contents hence how she new we were thinking of moving down south. Next and the cherry on the cake. The junior school also disclosed a bundle of documents which we would not have otherwise seen. The Senco officer at the junior school had rung the admissions officer at the academy trying to get reconsideration for my son. The conversation she Senco officer made a note of and put in the comms file for the child. She also sent her note by email to the local authority and her Head. Neither responded. In her notes she records how the schools admissions officer stated ! at great length that the real reason he did not get a place was that he was just too late and that he had put us down as third choice. All this means that the LEA supported an illegal admission policy contravene data protection laws as did the school and by the schools admissions officers operated a covert admissions policy. We as parents are horrified and upset. Had it not been for the subject access we would not have got to the truth. Question is has this been used against other children as well and what do we do now? P.s. yes we did subject access requests to the independent panel clerk for the minutes of day one and the minutes of our hearing and we were duly refused copies of. In the politeness of ways almost ... the school admissions officer told us where to go! Can anybody help?

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LittleBearPad · 14/03/2021 10:49

But none of that, even if true, is going to change where your son goes to school?

Given you were going to move can’t you move closer to the new school, assuming the only issue is distance?

titchy · 14/03/2021 11:10

What was the basis of your appeal? Are those reasons still valid - you could appeal again. Though why you've left it two years I'm not sure.

Or is this just a thread to vent?

bruffin · 14/03/2021 11:14

My son now travel 3 hours each way out of county now ... so not at all happy.
Really!

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

Sbk28 · 14/03/2021 11:21

Are these mainstream schools? 3 hours?! Surely that can't be correct.

Report the suspected breach. Then put this to one side. Your anger over this aspect seems to be clouding your thoughts regarding the appeal.

If you appeal again, you need to be clear what the terms of the appeal are. If the knowledgeable posters here can't follow, then the appeals panel won't follow. Perhaps, if you treat them respectfully, people here can help you to clarify your appeal and give you the best chance of success.

PanelChair · 14/03/2021 11:24

All I can say at this point is that I agree with @prh47bridge’s analysis of the situation and your options.

TeenMinusTests · 14/03/2021 11:30

3 hours each way? So 6 hours total each day?
I find it literally incredible that you would do this.

CormoranStrike · 14/03/2021 11:37

I’m sorry your son has a six hour commute.

You are taking your anger out on the wrong people.

Bunnybigears · 14/03/2021 11:53

This presumably happened last year so he has been going to (when they can) this school since September? Has something new happened that has caused you to be posting about this now? Do you need help trying to get him in to a closer school? I really feel for you as I know what its like to be so stressed about something you can't see the wood for the trees but you really need to work out what it is you want moving forwards and how you are going to achieve that. Do you want him in any school as long as its closer, do you only want him at this 3rd place school, could you move nearer his current school despite the commute is he doing ok/is happy at school?

superram · 14/03/2021 12:05

@REDHEN12 everyone on this thread has been extremely patient and kind-despite your ill thought out ranting. I don’t believe your child is travelling 6 hours a day. On the evidence you have suggested, your appeal failed because you didn’t provide enough evidence to overturn the decision. If you want to move forward you need to appeal and come up with a well thought out strategy as to why your child needs to attend the 3rd choice school. You putting 2 schools down on your preferences that you lived nowhere near was foolish and a waste of a school as you were never going to get in. Take a step back and really think about this, lose the anger or your appeal will fail again.

SavoyCabbage · 14/03/2021 12:46

So your son is out of the house from roughly five thirty in the morning until six at night! Then homework etc.

prh47bridge · 14/03/2021 13:03

The recorded conversation, states.... “ third choice at the time of application “ that comment smacks of ‘first preference first’ this is a equal preference scheme! So any reference to preference by a school is clearly wrong.

No, it isn't. The conversation records the admissions officer's (almost certainly incorrect) belief that this was part of the basis for the appeal panel's decision. It does not suggest that the school is operating a "first preference first" policy. It does, however, suggest that the admission officer doesn't understand how appeals panels make their decisions, which is not surprising. There is no particular reason why she would understand.

All the responders are missing the point

We really aren't.

The letter to applicant is confidential data that the school has no right to see !

Up to this point you are correct. However, the moment you choose to appeal this is incorrect. The letter to the applicant is important evidence which is almost invariably supplied to the appeal panel. Once you appeal it is no longer confidential. The admission authority is required by the Appeals Code, which is not law but has the force of law, to provide the information on the letter to the appeal panel.

As long as the application process continues including appeal they should not see parents choices as this could be said to breach the school admissions criteria and take in to consideration that parents could be appealing more than one school so release of that data could be prejudicial.

It is good practise not to share the preferences with the school prior to initial offers to avoid suspicions of schools operating a covert "first preference first" policy. However, there is no specific ban on sharing this information. If it is shared, what matters is not that the information has been shared, it is whether any decisions are based on it.

If the school alters your position on the waiting list that would be a breach of the Admissions Code which would lead to a successful appeal if your child missed out on a place as a result. If the appeal panel takes the fact that this was your third choice into account in deciding the outcome of the appeal that would be a breach of the Appeals Code which would lead to you being awarded a fresh appeal with a different panel if the ESFA finds this is what happened. But the Appeals Code requires the admission authority to provide certain information to the appeal panel. The LA must therefore disclose that information to the school and the school must disclose it to the panel.

We say that the admissions officer knew of our order of preference as she referred and she states that our son did not get in simply because we put the school as third choice.

Yes, she knew your order of preference. She found out when you appealed and the council provided the information the school needed to support that appeal. But she does not say that is why your son didn't get a place on offers day. She speculates (wrongly) that this is why you lost your appeal. The admissions officer would have no knowledge of the appeal panel's discussions and how they arrived at their decision.

she stated what had happened as fact not guess work

The SENCO records it as a statement of fact, but it is clearly guesswork. The only person present when the appeal panel made their decision was the clerk. The decision letter from the appeal will have been written by the clerk based on that discussion. The admissions officer would not have been present in the discussion (if she was that is a serious breach of the Appeals Code) and will not have seen the clerk's notes.

I know you believe there has been a breach of GDPR. As someone who is an expert in the law around both admission appeals (over 12 years' experience) and GDPR (over 30 years' experience of data protection law), I can assure you that there has been no breach. Note that you also have two experienced appeal panel members on this thread who say the same. If you want to pursue this, by all means refer it to the ICO but I am confident they will agree there has been no breach. Even if there had been a breach, it would not result in you being awarded a place.

If you believe the appeal panel decided not to award a place because it was your third choice, you should refer the matter to the ESFA. However, from my experience of involvement in hundreds of appeals, I would trust the letter from the clerk as being far more likely to reflect the panel's reasoning than the comments of the admissions officer. The clerk was present when the decision was made. The admissions officer was not.

My son now travel 3 hours each way out of county now ... so not at all happy

If that was the school allocated by the council and it genuinely takes 3 hours each way, that is clearly unacceptable. The journey must be over 3 miles each way by the shortest walking route to take this long, so the council must provide free transport for your son. Also, a journey this long is clearly unreasonable so you would have a good case for appeal on that basis. However, these points only apply if that is the school allocated by the council. If you chose this school the council does not have to provide free transport and the length of the journey will not help you at appeal.

PhillipPhillop · 14/03/2021 13:13

Have read the opening post a few times and am still confused over the moving business. What area were the schools that were applied for? Were the first two out of area and the third in area? Only where I live you have to apply separately to the authority where the schools are.
Also I can't see where you have said what your appeal was based on. So thinking about the reference to the 'third preference' was your appeal based on this school being the best fit for your son's SEN? If so the appeals panel might have wondered why it was third preference and not first and this is why it was relevant.

RandomMess · 14/03/2021 13:32

I wonder if the SENCO mentioned the school was 3rd choice (mistakenly thinking it made a difference) but also because you yourselves didn't think it was the best choice for your DS as you clearly think 2 other schools can better meet his needs.

I wonder if you failed on appeal because that school actually can't fulfill his SEN needs? Or more aptly you didn't prove on appeal that the school could meet his needs and therefore had to be given a place (I am aware I am not using the correct phrasing here).

Foxyloxy1plus1 · 14/03/2021 14:11

It seems as though the OP’s anger is such that it’s preventing her from understanding what people with knowledge, expertise and understanding of the process are extrapolating from her accounts, which are quite difficult to understand.

Unless the OP is driving her child there and back each day, I cannot imagine that any authority would countenance a six hour round trip. Totally impractical as well as exhausting.

PanelChair · 14/03/2021 14:40

I wonder if you failed on appeal because that school actually can't fulfill his SEN needs? Or more aptly you didn't prove on appeal that the school could meet his needs and therefore had to be given a place (I am aware I am not using the correct phrasing here).

I don't think OP has said what their arguments were at the appeal for needing a place at this school.

Generally speaking, these kinds of arguments about whether a school can fulfil a child's needs are part of the EHCP process and the appeal is distinct from that. For children with additional needs who don't have an EHCP, then parents can certainly at appeal argue that the preferred school is best placed to meet those needs and the prejudice (disadvantage) the child will face if not admitted outweighs the prejudice to the school in accommodating an additional pupil. Against that, the school/LEA is likely to argue that all schools can cater for a wide range of needs, so the parent will need to show that there is something about this school that makes it more suitable or more appropriate than others.

IndecentFeminist · 14/03/2021 15:03

Does your child have an EHCP?

taketheflowers · 14/03/2021 15:51

Name changed for this....

I think I know which local authority you are talking about when you mention the SA3 form. Because I have just filled in such a form for one of my own children

In my experience there is no 'first choice first' policy. I applied for 3 schools for my child. School 1 we didnt get into because it's a grammar and dc is on the waiting list. School 2 is further away from my house so we were allocated school 3 which is the closest.

Exactly where do you live that you are doing a 6 hour round trip every day just to get your child into school? If it's the county I'm thinking of, the last time I did the drive (pre covid) 3 hours one way was a drive of almost 200 miles. And a very, very long away from where I started.
Are there seriously absolutely no schools in the county whatsoever that have a space for your child? There are plenty of secondary schools with spaces. Rural or urban, take your pick.
Yes, a fair few are academies but even then there are some very supportive schools. The only situation I can think of where you might be travelling a horrendous journey each day is if your child has an EHCP for a very specific type of need as there is very, very little provision for this in county. One of my dc is one of these children, and is transported a long way each day to go to school I.e. an hour and a half each way. Even then this is very much the exception and not the norm within the county.

steppemum · 14/03/2021 18:31

REDHEN.

you posts read like this
help please

other respondents - lots of knowledgabel advice and help

REDHEN - You are WRONG and then rude ranting

other respondents - calmly and carefully try and take you through the points and explain what is going on

REDHEN - no no you ar eall wrong becaus eyou don't agree with me, and you are making silly comments

other respondents - ignore the rude commetns directed at them and again calmly and carefully try and unpikc the problem and explain.

I don't think you realise just how rude and ungrateful you sound. prhbridge and PatriciaHolm are experts in the field of school appeals, they give advice willingly and for free on this forum for the many parents in need of help. They really do know their stuff. They have been so patient with you, and continued to try and help you understand.

They have suggested what the next step is. But you don't want to know, you just tell them they are wrong.

Time to calm down, thank them for their time, and go awya and think about your horrible behaviour towards those trying to help

lalafafa · 14/03/2021 18:47

I wouldn’t waste anymore or your time on him. I bet he’s a nightmare in real life to deal with too.

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