What needs to happen practically so women can be free?

[Babyboomtastic]

Obviously we should be angry.
Obviously the problem lies with the men, and it should be for them to solve, and not us. By it they haven't.
Obviously we shouldn't have to feel that we are under any curfew in life to be safe.

And ultimately the solution is that men need to stop killing and raping women.

But practically speaking, how do we get there? Our anger won't solve it, and obviously it's not going to be solved as easily as telling men to not commit these offences, as that doesn't work.

I'd like us to reclaim the streets (and also have safety in the home, which is an even bigger threat to women) so what can we do about it?

And if we need a cultural shift (which ultimately I think we do) how do we initiate that?

Women are on constant guard because we never know if harassment is the start of violence. So harassment needs to be tackled much more seriously. Already my young teen dd has told me she and her friend feel uncomfortable with how men look at them when they go out for walks.

@SenecaTrewe

Patriarchy needs to end. Capitalism needs to end.

These things will never happen.

Women will never be free, unless men are strictly contained and disempowered.

Putting women into poverty is not the solution.

I think treating violent porn like child porn would be a huge step though.

@frumpyswayingqueen

That is so fucking depressing, *@SenecaTrewe*, but you are right.

Even @dreamingbohemian's call for more women in power wouldn't be sufficient.

I swear I'm going to run away and join a women's commune one day...

I just want to get off the planet... so fucking angry about everything to do with men! I feel hate and anger

They're not willing to sort their own Fucking issues out because their issue is our problem and they don't give a Fuck

Pornography needs to fuck off.

Young men need to be told, quite frankly, that violent porn is in no way representative.

They need to be told that by men and women that violence and sexual nonsense is just not ok.

And families need to have difficult conversations.

Women are not fuck holes.

Young men need to understand that.

And it's not actually that hard.

It just needs to be said.

Again and again and again.

Women are not sexual repositories for men.

Young men need to understand that.

Men don’t deserve us. Until they treat us well, they just don’t .I don’t know what need to be done . It seems no country have been successful to do that

My DD is 7, and wore trousers to school for the first time on Tuesday (she has always wanted skirts/dresses before), and when I picked her up that evening and asked if her trousers had been comfy (she's very skinny but tall so I didn't know if she would get on with them all day) -
Yes, she said, but a boy tried to pull them down at morning break.
This isn't the first time I have heard about similar behaviour from boys in the class (not always the same boy), but if it is 'normal' at age 6/7/8 then it isn't a great start

@RainbowMum11 have you confronted the parents of the said boy. That’s outrageous.

Sadly it isn't the first occasion within the class but with different boys - I will be discussing it with the teacher in the first instance before talking to the parents.

@RainbowMum11 yep. Don’t let this one go.

All violence against women should be removed from gaming.

And ideally violence against men too - it sets up violence perpetrated by and against men as normal.

Very simple. Start prosecuting rapist. The courts are currently giving this behaviour the green light to carry on

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/100-000-assaults-1-000-rapists-sentenced-shockingly-low-conviction-rates-revealed-8446058.html

We never gained any ground without a battle and no battle was ever won by standing alone. This is war. To win we have to stand together and we have to challenge every wolf whistle, every ' cheer up darling', every inappropriate comment in the work place, every grope, every arse grab, every publicly exposed penis. Every. Single. Time. And support each other. We are not the problem when we walk alone wearing whatever clothes we like. We, our clothes, are not the problem. We are raising these toxic males. How does that happen? And we won't ever own the toxicity, as far as everyone is concerned it isn't them.or their boys, their boys are good boys. It's the others. It isn't! Our boys turn into sexists, rapists, child and women abusers. We raised them. Our men, our fathers brothers partners and sons are them. They are many and they are the 'good' men.

Please watch this video of comedian Hannah Gatsby's speech on 'The Good Men' she explains the problem of men not owning misogyny so very well

Sadly, I don’t know what we can do without men recognising they are the problem and doing soemthing about it.
‘It’s not all men’, they say. Well actually, it’s a an obscene amount of men. Not every man is a murderer, but I can almost guarantee that every woman knows a man who has harassed her, groped her, heckled her in public.
I was walking the other day and witnessed a group of pathetic male teenagers shouting how they were going to rape all the women walking past and calling them hideous names. Needless to say the police were called.
It’s sickening and terrifies me that I have a daughter who is likely to one day be subjected to the same shit that all of us have since the Dawn of time.
I am sad to say that it’s actually making me anti-men.

@RainbowMum11 always try and go through the school rather than talking to the parents.

Nothing can or will ever be done.
The Internet means depravity and objectification of women is too easy. Many women on here say porn is normal and all men watch it.
Most men will not go on to harm women but for some they will watch more violent porn and be affected by it.
Education would help but teachers are not parents.

Unfortunately the safest solutions are always the ones where women end up looking out for each other.
At university my dd group of girls always took turns where one didn't drink and watched out for the others on a night out.
Bouncers should be trained never to throw a lone woman out of a club.
And violent threats on sm should result in a 1 month ban on every social platform not just the one where it occurred.

And maybe stop celebrating the kind of man who takes a women's literature prize space with a book celebrating 'enforced feminism' - it started with a slap to the face!

Just came across this video about sending an emergency message via smartphone. This is for galaxy but iPhones have a similar feature.

Set it up and your emergency contacts get a message, photos, audio and location when you activate it.

If you remove the ability for a class to define themselves how can you enact any law or scheme to afford them protection?

Women have lost their rights to private female only spaces. No more being able to hide out in the loos till the creepy guy has gone! Women are no longer people in their own right, they are just a collection of body parts and functions

This shit is deeply entrenched in society, government, social institutions, private businesses - everywhere. We have a society where women are bigots for wanting to enforce boundaries, bodily autonomy and privacy. The abuse and threats dished out to women is encouraged and lauded.

A teenage boy growing up in this toxic society is going to be influenced by this.

For iPhone

support.apple.com/en-gb/HT208076

Rape is essentially decriminalised in the UK. That's one place to start.