Surrogacy is getting out of hand.

[Ohdoleavemealone]

Does anyone else think this?

I don't particularly think that it is wrong to use a surrogate, if you have fertility issues and this is the only way you can have a child.

I have just read about someone who had 5 kids, the last one only 6 months ago, and now has a newborn via surrogacy. Why? What was the need? You can have children biologically.

It feels like rich people think it is a cool trend and are doing it for the sake of it.

Hilaria Baldwin?
I saw that too and it left me feel uncomfortable..... I can’t really articulate why though.

Logically - if you are bringing children into your family through other methods than a natural birth.... then yes, why shouldn’t you do this at any point regardless of other children’s ages.....

But it just seems wrong?! To have birthed a baby, it only be 6 months old and to then have a newborn too does seem wrong.

Can anyone else help articulate why? It just doesn’t seem fair on either child - but is it any different to twins?

I disagree with surrogacy full stop, no exceptions. It is exploitation of women and I don't believe it is in the best interests of children, ever. So yes, it makes me uncomfortable.

Horrific can you imagine that little boy as he grows up and realises his parents ordered another child while he was still in the womb because he was the wrong gender.

Wombs are now a commodity. Rich people can buy babies. The whole language of surrogacy has changed. No longer are women called surrogate mothers, but surrogates and now carriers. The ethical issue is huge, not to mention the probability of attachment disorders in later life and the problems being raised by entitled narcissistic people will bring.

Paying for surrogacy is wrong, especially if it's to avoid pregnancy (an American trend). Altruistic surrogacy eg sister for sister I have less issues with when for medical reasons

Many ethical issues. Taking a newborn away from her/his mother is one of many.

@Newfor2021

Hilaria Baldwin? I saw that too and it left me feel uncomfortable..... I can’t really articulate why though.

Logically - if you are bringing children into your family through other methods than a natural birth.... then yes, why shouldn’t you do this at any point regardless of other children’s ages.....

But it just seems wrong?! To have birthed a baby, it only be 6 months old and to then have a newborn too does seem wrong.

Can anyone else help articulate why? It just doesn’t seem fair on either child - but is it any different to twins?

Yes, this was the article.

Its seems so crass.

@ChilliHeeler

Horrific can you imagine that little boy as he grows up and realises his parents ordered another child while he was still in the womb because he was the wrong gender.

Devastating for that child.

I think its wrong in any circumstance - and I say that as someone who had multiple miscarriages, years of infertility and ended up without children.

Babies should not be removed from their mothers. Yes, it has to happen sometimes - some women die giving birth or are unable to care for the child. But to purposefully create a human who is taken away instantly from the person they know and need the most (mum's voice, heartbeat, smells, milk etc) is setting them up for a lifetime of potential attachment issues. We still don't really understand these and they're not always easy to identify, let alone tackle.

Back when I was going through the process of being diagnosed for autism, I wondered if it might be attachment issues instead as they can present similarly. Many people don't realise until late adulthood that they've even had problems. We simply don't know yet what problems surrogate births can cause for someone, and won't until many many decades and mass in-depth studies from now (which lets face it are unlikely to happen).

So I know what it's like to desperately, desperately want a baby - but I also genuinely think it's one of the most selfish things you can do. And that's just looking at the children, let alone the mothers.

It shows the inequality of society and whilst I view truly altruistic surrogacy as no one else’s business outside of siblings helping each other it’s exploitation of the economically impoverished.

These celebs so keen to show their credentials modern and woke are no better than the old exploiters of old, the slave owners, the mill owners and the class they abuse - women who live in relative poverty.

It should be banned in all circumstances.

Any medical advancements that result in the creation of another human being, need to centre that human being. And I don’t believe any baby should be taken from its birth mother unless there is a concern around neglect etc.

It caused me deep sorrow to see that member of Westlife cheering as he carted his surrogate baby along the corridor away from its mum

@zzizzer

I think its wrong in any circumstance - and I say that as someone who had multiple miscarriages, years of infertility and ended up without children.

Babies should not be removed from their mothers. Yes, it has to happen sometimes - some women die giving birth or are unable to care for the child. But to purposefully create a human who is taken away instantly from the person they know and need the most (mum's voice, heartbeat, smells, milk etc) is setting them up for a lifetime of potential attachment issues. We still don't really understand these and they're not always easy to identify, let alone tackle.

Back when I was going through the process of being diagnosed for autism, I wondered if it might be attachment issues instead as they can present similarly. Many people don't realise until late adulthood that they've even had problems. We simply don't know yet what problems surrogate births can cause for someone, and won't until many many decades and mass in-depth studies from now (which lets face it are unlikely to happen).

So I know what it's like to desperately, desperately want a baby - but I also genuinely think it's one of the most selfish things you can do. And that's just looking at the children, let alone the mothers.

I can't disagree with yourc oncerns about attachment. My DD is adopted and we see very obvious signs of attachment trauma, although she is doing remarkably well considering what she went through at such a young age.

The Hilaria Baldwin story made me feel uncomfortable. They have 5 children, one of which was born only 5 months ago so they decided to have a surrogate baby whilst she was actually pregnant herself just because they wanted to have another girl. She kept saying she desperately wanted another girl for her eldest daughter’s sake but Alec has another daughter for starters so she has a step-sister and ffs, we can’t give children everything they desire.

I just found the whole thing quite sickening and disturbing. The 5 month old will grow up under the shadow of his younger sister (born 5 months after him which is just fucking weird) who is somehow more wanted because of her genitalia.

Imagine if surrogacy was a thing during the Tudor era.

I don't particularly think that it is wrong to use a surrogate

Ina actually think that sentence is why it is wrong. Women are not things we should use.

I do not agree with surrogacy.

I think a child has the right to their biological heritage. Sometimes there is no alternative but to deliberately create a child with the intention of depriving them of their biology feels wrong.

You think Hilaria was bad?

Meet this woman

I don’t have a problem with surrogacy but this has made me quite cross

One surrogate had trouble giving up the baby but legally had no rights and had to hand it over.

@Soubriquet

You think Hilaria was bad?

Meet this woman

I don’t have a problem with surrogacy but this has made me quite cross

I read that last week.

Also sickening!

In adoption circles*, it’s widely accepted, and without contention afaik, that removing a child from its mum is so very damaging, you simply don’t, unless there is no other safe choice.

*except in the US where newborns being adopted are also commodified to some extent.

I think the Baldwin family don't really come across very well, do they? I think they represent a lot of self obsessed entitlement, and because they have the wealth to do whatever they want, they do do whatever they want.

I don't get why more people aren't talking about Christiano Ronaldo. Had his first child with a mystery woman who was removed and silenced, then twins by a surrogate before having a 4th child with his current girlfriend. And also confessed to having sex without consent, but denies rape. Man has no respect for women but adored by the general public.

Their lives, their business. I wouldn’t be able to give up a child I had carried but that’s just me. I don’t judge other people’s choices.

Her latest Instagram post confirms that they used a surrogate because the baby she was carrying at the time was a boy... I feel incredibly uneasy about it all.

@Everybodysaycheese

Her latest Instagram post confirms that they used a surrogate because the baby she was carrying at the time was a boy... I feel incredibly uneasy about it all.

Poor kid, not even born yet and already disappointing his parents. 🙁

@Everybodysaycheese

Her latest Instagram post confirms that they used a surrogate because the baby she was carrying at the time was a boy... I feel incredibly uneasy about it all.

So they basically bought their daughter a sister.

Awful. Not a great way to parent either child really is it?