Surrogacy is getting out of hand.

[Ohdoleavemealone]

Does anyone else think this?

I don't particularly think that it is wrong to use a surrogate, if you have fertility issues and this is the only way you can have a child.

I have just read about someone who had 5 kids, the last one only 6 months ago, and now has a newborn via surrogacy. Why? What was the need? You can have children biologically.

It feels like rich people think it is a cool trend and are doing it for the sake of it.

I do not agree with surrogacy for any reason. Babies are taken away instantly from their mother and I fully agree with this:

"Babies should not be removed from their mothers. Yes, it has to happen sometimes - some women die giving birth or are unable to care for the child. But topurposefullycreate a human who is taken away instantly from the person they know and need the most (mum's voice, heartbeat, smells, milk etc) is setting them up for a lifetime of potential attachment issues. We still don't really understand these and they're not always easy to identify, let alone tackle."

And in my experience nobody loves you like your mother. I know not all mothers are like this but a mother's love is the most selfish and all encompassing.

Selfless

Well that boy is going to have heaps of therapy when he grows up to get to hips with that.

Poor mite.

I agree it should be limited and it should not be 'rent a womb'. There are children who need adoptive parents, not being in care.

@peak2021

I agree it should be limited and it should not be 'rent a womb'. There are children who need adoptive parents, not being in care.

Oh please, it’s not for kids in care to resolve the Baldwins’ ‘gender disappointment’.

If you’re going to use kids in care like that, you should also be telling people not to TTC whilst there are already children needing families.

I think we need to move urgently past this idea that children are a ‘right’, and that it’s also your ‘right’ to have as many as you want, of the sex of your choosing, when you are any age, whether you have an opposite sex partner, a same sex partner or no partner, 5 other children or 0 other children.

(I’m not talking about adoption here, I’m talking about making a baby.)

The buying and selling of babies should be banned and certainly not made easier. People thinking they are somehow entitled to a child that a women must then provide them with at risk to her own health/life or rich people outsourcing pregnancy because they can't be arsed doing it themselves.

The whole language of surrogacy has changed. No longer are women called surrogate mothers, but surrogates and now carriers

Yes and gestational carriers. It's part of the ongoing current agenda to remove the woman as a human and reduce us to parts and functions. Bleeders, breeders, cervix havers.
By removing female language and dehumanising us it gives people justification to treat us as they wish. Just things to be bought, used and disposed off.

Just see the push for the whole sex work is work bullshit. Only ever told to women so they can by used by men.

I can see in the future surrogacy being pushed as a legitamate form of employment.

Also if people think everyone who buys babies and children are nice loving families, they might want to look at the human trafficking trade.

@womanity

I think we need to move urgently past this idea that children are a ‘right’, and that it’s also your ‘right’ to have as many as you want, of the sex of your choosing, when you are any age, whether you have an opposite sex partner, a same sex partner or no partner, 5 other children or 0 other children.

(I’m not talking about adoption here, I’m talking about making a baby.)

I hazarded this view on a thread about sperm donation and the thread got deleted eventually. It’s hard to make this point as it inevitably upsets infertile people.

I had to Google Hilaria as had never heard of her. It’s strange and sad, poor kids paraded for social media.

Without delving into the issue too deeply, surely replicating a birth order that is at the very least physically possible goes without saying?

Yup, she wanted her older daughter to have a sister. Very regressive reasoning if you ask me. Poor Eduardo! But I think their kids are guaranteed to be messed up anyway. Poor kids!

I hazarded this view on a thread about sperm donation and the thread got deleted eventually. It’s hard to make this point as it inevitably upsets infertile people.

I’m an infertile person, so I’m hoping I get a pass. 😀

For full disclosure, I ended up adopting so never had to come to grips with actual childlessness.

Eggs from one woman, womb from another. Pieces of women for sale.

@whatnow41

I don't get why more people aren't talking about Christiano Ronaldo. Had his first child with a mystery woman who was removed and silenced, then twins by a surrogate before having a 4th child with his current girlfriend. And also confessed to having sex without consent, but denies rape. Man has no respect for women but adored by the general public.

Agree completely. Very strange.

Yes its a difficult one. Infertility is fucking awful - I've never known anything like it, and it fundamentally changed me forever.

When you're in its grips it's almost like a mental illness in the way you can obsess and hurt others and self-destruct. Or at least, it was for me.

But there are no magic fixes, and meanwhile other people don't owe us their entire existence to make us feel better or to meet our needs.

@zzizzer

Yes its a difficult one. Infertility is fucking awful - I've never known anything like it, and it fundamentally changed me forever.

When you're in its grips it's almost like a mental illness in the way you can obsess and hurt others and self-destruct. Or at least, it was for me.

But there are no magic fixes, and meanwhile other people don't owe us their entire existence to make us feel better or to meet our needs.

Me too zzizzer. 💐

That was when I stopped ever taking anything for granted, or being surprised that stuff was ‘unfair’.

Still doesn’t (IMO) make it okay to trade on other unfairnesses and injustices to solve our problems.

Reading about the couple in Russia and the Baldwins has made me feel very worried. There must be more regulation to stop these strange rich people from doing this.