This Government is so repugnant

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I can see what they're doing.

Send the kids back to school. Everyone will say "How come I can't see my friend/family/drive to the coast etc as it's a much lower risk than my children catching it at school."

So they will all break the rules and the Government will say "Well, we told you not to."

Cue everyone blaming everyone else for the next wave (which WILL come).

Divide and conquer, that's their plan. They remain blameless and continue to bang on about how great they are until people actually believe it.

I'm so sick of them pandering to the whims of the newspapers and to their back-benchers. They've let thousands and thousands of people die by their laissez-faire attitude. And thousands more will die still.

I hate them with every bone in my body.

Ridiculous OP.

OP and others agreeing, do you genuinely not believe in the vaccine? despite the clear evidence produced today?

I haven't got over Christmas being pulled away. So I don't believe a word they say or the dates. If my associates would only break the tiles I'd be meeting this weekend.

Rules. Not tiles.

I have thought exactly the same as you in the past but things are different now. We have close to 18 million people vaccinated so far, with hundreds of thousands more being vaccinated each day.

Cue everyone blaming everyone else for the next wave (which WILL come)
Cases rising does not mean the same as it did before the vaccine roll out started. It won't translate into the numbers of hospital admissions and deaths that it did before. And the more people that are vaccinated the lower transmission will be anyway.

I hate this government, I think they have fucked up terribly throughout this pandemic. But I do think that this road map is sensible and clear. Kids need to be back in school. I 100% agree with what they have done about schools.

It don’t think it’s a ver Tory esque plan. School doesn’t bring money into the economy. Businesses closed cost the government money. If they cared about money more they would let the hospitality/beauty/hair sector open sooner.
Personally I think it’s too cautious. Most vulnerable will be vaccinated soon and we can’t go to the bloody pub!

@CherryRoulade
So cross that our daughter is restricted to a wedding of 15, no music, no reception to speak of

My god. The inhumanity.

Yes let's just stay locked down forever ... what do you want them to do??

It's annoying that Matt Hancock has been found guilty of giving jobs to his friends & Tory doners without putting them out to tender & Boris doesn't have the balls to sack him & lies in Parliament when questioned about it. The Tories have made money out of a global pandemic.

SomersetHamlyn I’m not sire I understand the point you are making? I’m guessing it’s sarky?

Cross because they’ve had to defer twice already because of government indecisiveness.

Cross they’ve lost thousands because of government indecisiveness.

Cross that two young doctors who have worked tirelessly throughout the past eighteen months have repeatedly had their plans destroyed whilst Cheltenham went ahead.

Cross that Johnson is talking rubbish about following data; no data in the world says it’s unsafe to have more than fifteen to a wedding but two days later you can have 10,000 to a sports event. I suspect it’s because Johnson doesn’t want to marry his latest child’s mother. It’s certainly not based on risk.

I understand it’s not the same as the tragedy of losing loved ones; that doesn’t diminish the sadness of a young couple having their joy and plans snatched away several times over.

People are actually going insane.

OP, they're sending children back because children have suffered greatly. Would you have preferred they opened pubs first?

Some posters seem to be main lining vitriol.

I haven't got over Christmas being pulled away.

Christmas wasn't pulled away and the death toll was horrendous as a result. Have you looked at a graph?

Spoilt, spoilt, spoilt.

I loathe and detest this Government with every fibre of my being.

It started with them allowing the Cheltenham Festival to go ahead.People flying in and out of the Country Willy nilly,madness!

It is well known that members of the Government are making millions during this Pandemic.Yet they have left thousands of families with no income,unable to feed their families.

Our NHS is not fit for purpose.Underfunded for years.Except they seem able to pay for numerous managers.

They are corrupt,immoral individuals.I hope when there is an enquiry they are held to account,I somehow doubt it.

The only people happy with what is going on are the ones who are not affected financially.

@allsayingthesamething Your Christmas might not have been pulled away, mine was. That wasn’t my post but I completely agree I have t gotten past it and how dare you label the disappointment and isolation so many had as spoilt! Meanwhile everything’s justifiable because children get to go back to school. I don’t disagree schools should be a priority and that children have suffered but they are not the only demographic suffering. Yes this is mumsnet and children rely on their parents to be their voices, fine. But 20 year olds are screwed, they have lost their footing in the job market and will struggle to get it back because more experienced people will be going for the same roles whilst under 21’s are cheaper (assuming any semblance of the hospitality industry survives. 30’s and 40’s have lost their businesses, their careers, their homes in some cases. What about them?

@allsayingthesamething

I haven't got over Christmas being pulled away.

Christmas wasn't pulled away and the death toll was horrendous as a result. Have you looked at a graph?

Spoilt, spoilt, spoilt.

Wow what an ignorant thing to post. Yes Christmas was pulled away at 1 weeks notice for many including my family. Every single thing over Christmas including family on Xmas day was illegal. We were in lock down before Xmas here!! Any horrendous death tolls here were NOT caused by Xmas here as it was all pulled. It looks like you were Spoilt Spoilt Spoilt

Cherry - your daughter isn’t having ‘her joy snatched away’, she can still get married, that’s the important bit. They just can’t have a big party with it, or they can wait. It’s disappointing for them but not as important as kids being in school. They haven’t been able to have a party because of the virus, not the govt. when Cheltenham happened (which was wrong) weddings were still allowed. My dsis had a lockdown wedding after several cancelled attempts and it was just as special as a ‘normal’ wedding - more so, if anything.

Don’t you just love it when a poster starts a barny and then just fucks off?

@Sittinbythetree

Cherry - your daughter isn’t having ‘her joy snatched away’, she can still get married, that’s the important bit. They just can’t have a big party with it, or they can wait. It’s disappointing for them but not as important as kids being in school. They haven’t been able to have a party because of the virus, not the govt. when Cheltenham happened (which was wrong) weddings were still allowed. My dsis had a lockdown wedding after several cancelled attempts and it was just as special as a ‘normal’ wedding - more so, if anything.

We’ll make it special and yes, children into school is important but it’s really not evidence based or following the data as per the twaddle Johnson spews out.

I think she feels her joy is snatched from her. It’s Johnson pleasing Johnson.

I was actually pleased Boris ignored the journo who asked if he would resign if the virus spread rapidly again or we ever needed more short term measures.

I'm certainly no huge Boris fan but we know relaxing will change infection rates and he really really cannot actuall be held responsible for a virus mutating or spreading.

He's already said he'll slow down and stop if needed and hopes this is irreversible.

I think he's been too late locking down at times when it's for out of control but I've never blamed him for the actual virus spreading - like a virus does

@Meredithgrey1 I wonder if actually they’re hoping that now they’ve given an idea of an end date, people will wait.
I strongly suspect that's exactly what the behavioural experts have ordered. But there will be a backlash if they do "squeeeeeeeeze the brakes", even with the caveat "data not dates" - people won't hear that. That reminds me - nothing was said about reinstating the right to protest.

And yes, Christmas was pulled for vast amounts of the country. As Saint Boris himself said, how inhumane. But I'm sure what he really thought was that it was inhumane that the chance to say "I saved Christmas" was snatched away from him.

If it does go wrong again, I expect Boris will resign. If not, he'll stick around just long enough to take all the credit, then disappear before he can be blamed for the recession, unemployment, suicides, and children's mental health on the floor.

So cross that our daughter is restricted to a wedding of 15, no music, no reception to speak of

That is really sad. But it is no one's fault. It's not spoilt to want a lovely wedding. If you're going to insist on having it now though, it would be spoilt to go ahead.

with lots of people

@allsayingthesamething

So cross that our daughter is restricted to a wedding of 15, no music, no reception to speak of

That is really sad. But it is no one's fault. It's not spoilt to want a lovely wedding. If you're going to insist on having it now though, it would be spoilt to go ahead.

It’s not really a choice. To move would be difficult as most people who have anything to do with weddings are really booked up. It’s been hard enough to move things twice already - two years weddings squashed into six months. Most firms have no space or are on the edge of folding. She wants to just get married now. She’s waited and been disappointed often enough. We’ll find a way to make it feel special.

So galling that two days later it could be 10,000 for a sporting event. London half marathon and Epsom Derby can go ahead despite being higher risk.

Actually, I think it’s the governments fault for screwing up quite so badly over the management of the pandemic response.

I hope it's still a special time.