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Lasagna soup anyone? American recipes that just never sound quite right...

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MaryIsA · 18/02/2021 13:53

www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/food-network-kitchen/lasagna-soup-2268968

Partly its all the low sodium chicken broth, half and half, sticks of butter - but very often its the actual recipes. Just a bit off?

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TheLovleyChebbyMcGee · 21/02/2021 16:43

Thanks for that recipe Seneca, I'll give it a go in the summer!

occa · 22/02/2021 01:24

@ChristmasSexyTime

I saw an American recipe the other night which called for a giant cheesy bag of Cheetos and a giant bag of flaming hot Cheetos, mixed into boiling water.

That then serves as 'sauce' for pasta. Envy

Omg I saw that on Twitter the other day. Flaming hot Cheetos mac n cheese. The end result was bright red and looked REVOLTING.
Mockolate · 22/02/2021 01:44

Not read the thread (about to do so lol)
Love both sweet potatoes and marshmallows.
Keep hearing them both together as a sweet pie though?
What's that all about?!
Sounds bizarre Grin
Also reading cake recipes.
Lots of box mixes!
Sorry, but that's not making a cake, pffffft Grin

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ShakeaHettyFeather · 22/02/2021 03:41

Sweet potato pie is very similar to pumpkin pie - imagine mashed sweet potato made a bit sweet, add cinnamon and creaminess, and the marshmallow is basically like meringue once cooked. It can be very nice with a sort of treacle flavour.

Or, like many recipes, it can easily be done badly.

The reason they say use canned pumpkin for pumpkin pie is that here we only have pumpkins grown to be Jack o'lanterns, so there's not that much flesh and it's not very flavoursome. Still edible and I roast it and the seeds each year, but nothing like a good eating pumpkin.

My mum's family are American so I grew up eating excellent Midwest American food (meatloaf with chunks of gherkin, piles of buckwheat pancakes with bacon and eggs, many pies, steak, slaw, etc).

And learned to cook with mum's English adaptations and a 50s Betty Crocker (sort of fictional American Delia). Mum bought me my own copy when I left home, only to find it had been updated for the 80s - not only calorie counts on everything and low-cholesterol options, but huge move to reliance on processed ingredients - to be fair, mushroom soup is used like cartons of bechamel sauce here, and given the existence of flavoured packets of rice, gravy granules, and pancake mix here, the UK is hardly in a position to talk. But this book infuriated Mum who went to look up a recipe for deviled ham and all of them said 'stsrt with 1 can deviled ham...'

American cookbooks do tend to have more focus on preserves and canning, despite huge freezers - this made sense when I stayed with my aunt during harvest and it's a rural area, 1 hour drive to The Store, but people would put out signs with what they could sell - like rural UK, only it would be by the bushel. Two bushels of tomatoes is 70 litres.

Mum remembers jello salads and molded salads all too well. Her theory is a) people wanted to show off their new Tupperware shapes (real Tupperware is brilliant, we're still using hers from the 50s), and b) it was the 60s and everyone was stoned.

Or at least the creators of those recipes.

mathanxiety · 22/02/2021 04:01

'Lime Jello Marshmallow Cottage Cheese Surprise'

Played every Thanksgiving on my local excellent classical music station.

BarbaraofSeville · 22/02/2021 05:27

[quote mathanxiety]@StephanieSavetowin

Tins of pumpkin pie filling? I truly don't understand the tins of pumpkin pie filling! Just cook the pumpkin (Power in the house permitting).

You are kidding, right? This is just pure snobbery.

The ingredients of pumpkin pie filling are pumpkin, spices, and sugar. Maybe a bit more sugar than you would put in a home made pie.

There is nothing inferior about a pumpkin pie made with a tin of straight pumpkin either.
Contents = pumpkin.[/quote]
Snobbery and ignorance about the original purpose of canning, as in preserving a glut of seasonal vegetables.

Try finding fresh pumpkin today to 'just cook a pumpkin'. In today's world of year round availablity, I don't know if it's available, but as a strictly autumnal vegetable, it shouldn't be.

springdale1 · 22/02/2021 13:09

If you ever manage to go to the south look out for things like pig pickins or crawfish boils. Our neighbourhood hosted regular ones and they were always the best way to try different home cooked foods!

Atalune · 22/02/2021 13:28

My mum (Scottish and never been to the states) used to make a fancy dish called
“Anna’s Saturday Chicken”

Chicken breasts in a baking dish, covered with sliced leeks and crushed garlic, with a tin of,yep you’ve guess it, condensed mushroom soup! Sprinkled with paprika on top and served with rice. It was actually delicious and very exotic in the late 80s when we had it. Viennetta to follow- obvs!

I lived in the states for a while and what I LOVED and miss the most were the spicy chicken wings with blue cheese sauce. So good!!

Also loved ranch dressing too. And good mixed drinks in any bar. Bloody amazing bloody Mary’s and really tart margaritas.

MustardMitt · 22/02/2021 13:36

@SenecaFallsRedux I already have that recipe - Dolly Parton gives a very similar one to Olympia Dukakis in Steel Magnolias! Grin

MaryIsA · 22/02/2021 14:14

My mum used to fill vol au vents with condensed mushroom soup for parties. I loved them.

I also use to make some sort of pasta bake when I was a student using codensed mushroom soup.

And a texas jambalaya that had a tine of condensed tomato soup in it. No prawns of anything else that anyone might recognise from a real jambabalaya.

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ShakeaHettyFeather · 22/02/2021 15:01

Darn, I want a pumpkin pie now.
I think I have a can of Libby's (canned pumpkin) and one of condensed.milk in the back of the larder...

I have seen 'pie filling' with huge amounts of high fructose cane syrup and sugar and a weird gelatinous texture,.so I'd avoid that myself.

Have to admit I do love stocking up on cakes and sprinkles and cake decorations using.lurid colours that are illegal in the EU. There's something about the flavour of yellow cake that is only available from yellow cake mix, too.

I visited.various family before lockdown for.the first.time.in years and was surprised.that while healthy food is more.readily available, there's a stark divide between 'crunchy granola hippy health food' and junk. For example I wanted some wholemeal bread. You can either have very coarse grain with a dozen different chewy seeds in, the sort of stuff Cranks etc did in the 70s, or bread that may technically be made with wholemeal flour but has the consistency and sweetness of spongecake. Nothing in between, in three states, city, suburb and rural.

An equivalent to UK supermarket sliced wholemeal must exist somewhere but certainly isn't easy to find. Maybe that's why my grandma and aunts always make their own?

StephanieSavetowin · 26/02/2021 10:05

No, that's literally the point. Year round demand for crops is seriously wrong. (Canning is great, but thinking more locally and seasonally is better

saffire · 26/02/2021 10:55

@SenecaFallsRedux

American cheese is wrong though.

If you are talking about the type of cheese called "American cheese", you are right. I hate it. I call it plastic cheese. But if you are talking about cheese made in the US, no, we have some great cheeses in the US. DH comes from New York State where some of the best cheddar comes from. There are also many small cheese producers in the dairy states.

But as much as I love cheese, I never order a cheeseburger in the US because chances are it will be a slice of that bland so called "American cheese." Even if you ask and get an answer that suggests that you will get real cheddar, it will likely be that orange slice, which once melted you can't scrape off.

But American cheddar isn't actually cheddar though. For a start it's usually bright orange! Real cheddar is creamy yellow, the same as butter.
sueelleker · 26/02/2021 14:46

@ShakeaHettyFeather Soda bread made with half spelt flour and half strong white gives a very good brown loaf.

SenecaFallsRedux · 26/02/2021 14:57

But American cheddar isn't actually cheddar though. For a start it's usually bright orange! Real cheddar is creamy yellow, the same as butter.

New York State cheddar.

Lasagna soup anyone?  American recipes that just never sound quite right...
SenecaFallsRedux · 26/02/2021 15:10

There's even a museum. If any of y'all ever visit Western New York State, you should check it out. Smile

buffalonews.com/buffalo-magazine/a-slice-of-americana-cuba-cheese-museum/article_e94715f1-c6e0-56e3-9378-a0d282cbc1d7.html

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 26/02/2021 15:12

That looks lovely. Still trying to shift my adult life Christmas blubber, so I can't sit and nibble at cheese all evening, but I wish I could.

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 26/02/2021 16:01

www.bonappetit.com/story/why-is-cheddar-cheese-orange

Why American cheddar is sometimes orange.

"Well, back in seventeenth century England, it sort of wass. Cheddar cheese was produced from cows whose grass diet was high in beta-carotene, which lent an orange pigment to their milk. That hue came to be a marker of high-quality cheese, which meant that producers of lower-quality, lower-fat cheese learned to game the system by adding pigment from saffronn, marigold, and carrot juice.

The technique moved to the U.S. with cheesemakers in Wisconsin, Ohio, Indiana, who wanted to ensure a uniform color throughout the year (since the color of cheese changes depending on whether the cows are eating beta-carotene-rich grass in the spring or hay in the winter) and to distinguish their product from the typically white cheese made in New England and New York. Over time, the color orange became associated with cheese itself, which explains why American cheese—and also cheese snacks like Cheetos—are orange, too.

Today, the color most often comes from annatto, a food coloring and condiment made from the seeds of the achiote tree, and/or paprika. Since the color doesn’t noticeably affect the flavor or texture of the cheese, pick whichever cheddar you prefer. What’s far more important is how long the cheese has aged: Younger cheese is sweeter, milder, and softer—it will melt more readily. The longer the cheddar is aged the harder, more acidic, and more piquant it becomes."

Personally I pretty much always buy white cheddar because I'm in New England and that's tends to be on the shelves.

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 26/02/2021 16:03

Also curious to know why American cheddar'isn't really cheddar' especially if it's white and tastes just like any other cheddar you'd get in the UK?

redcandlelight · 26/02/2021 16:09

I've had fabulous cheese in the us from the deli counter.
but the mass produced ware is not as pleasant. and the oraange 'plastic cheese' labelled as cheddar you can get in uk (and elsewhere in europe) as well.

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 26/02/2021 16:24

@redcandlelight

I've had fabulous cheese in the us from the deli counter. but the mass produced ware is not as pleasant. and the oraange 'plastic cheese' labelled as cheddar you can get in uk (and elsewhere in europe) as well.
I wonder what you mean by 'mass produced'?

I'd class Cabot as mass produced, for example, and they taste much like UK cheddars.

Liquorishtoffee · 26/02/2021 16:41

I’m on a few Facebook groups for instant pots and they are mostly American. The recipes do tend to be like baby food versions of meals - single texture of highly flavoured almost recognisable (yes lasagne soup) or toe curlingly sweet. Lots of photos of half a cow in supermarket packaging picked up cheap with requests for ‘what can I make with 100lb or pork?’

Liquorishtoffee · 26/02/2021 16:42

@SenecaFallsRedux

But American cheddar isn't actually cheddar though. For a start it's usually bright orange! Real cheddar is creamy yellow, the same as butter.

New York State cheddar.

Scottish cheddar - often orange. No idea why. I worked on a deli counter when I was a student and people did prefer the orange version (even though it tasted the same as the white).
StanfordPines · 26/02/2021 19:12

I noticed that when I lived in Manchester.
There was cheddar and red cheddar.
Having grown up near Cheddar this made me twitch.

Liquorishtoffee · 26/02/2021 19:55

I even had one customer who would come on every week and get a cube of orange cheddar (not sure but this would have been a cube about 3 inches squared) for each of her two dogs. Apparently they could tell the difference between the orange and white version.

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