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School won’t open despite new 10 day self isolation rules

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WinstonmissesXmas · 12/12/2020 09:51

Just that, really! AIBU to expect school to reopen on Monday now that children who should have been isolating until the latter part of the week no longer have to? The school my friend’s children attend announced they would reopen Monday (similar situation) and yet ours sent out a message saying they won’t be open Monday. They also said the kids should continue to isolate. All the kids will have been isolating for over ten days as of tomorrow so they should be allowed back, shouldn’t they?

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TheFallenMadonna · 12/12/2020 10:58

We received an email yesterday from the Education Director at the LA making it clear that this was not yet education guidance, so it is likely the school are following the most up to date guidance for schools. Not that I don't expect it to change, mind you.

Mover437 · 12/12/2020 11:01

@RaspberryCoulis

Lack of official guidance? Don't make me laugh. There has been no end of official guidance.

Schools cannot and should not be ignoring official government guidance and pulling their own unofficial rules out of their arse.

And the very tiny number of people who will not develop symptoms until after 10 days of quarantine isn't a contradictory it's negligible. Hmm

Let me guess... you're a teacher. Hmm

The official guidance says 14 days for close contacts.

That's the official guidance I received from NHS and what I expect my close contacts to follow.

FrippEnos · 12/12/2020 11:08

RaspberryCoulis

Still not willing admit to being pulled up on your mistake and then trying to make it personal.

The emotes are not helping your cause.

and now its no longer none or rare, its a tiny amount of people.
Please do keep digging your hole.

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Misssugarplum12764 · 12/12/2020 11:11

@blametheparents

The Head at my DD’s school approached the Department of Education to clarify the situation having seen the new isolation rules in the news - same as the rest of us - schools were not given any advance warning.

The advisor she spoke to stated that ‘until the DfE receives updated guidance for schools, we should continue with the current advice which is self-isolation for 14 days.’

She is hoping that the DFE will clarify the situation on Monday.

I feel for Headteachers. They are effectively in charge of the safety of the whole school community. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
Not sure they ever went into the role thinking that they’d have an extra (full time) role trying to wade through all of the rules and regulations associated with this pandemic.

Give them a chance!

God I wish all parents were like you!!!
abitnotfit · 12/12/2020 11:21

Give them a chance!

This. ** I am so glad I don't work in a school.

Bluepolkadots42 · 12/12/2020 11:32

Our Head has done same as the Head @blametheparents school and has been told school is to wait for DFE diktat on allowing isolating students back before 14 days is up.
So our Head has said we won't expect any isolating students back before Monday but possibly they will come back Tuesday depending on when we hear from DFE.

TheRuleofStix · 12/12/2020 11:37

@HikeForward and of course no parents or children are breaking the rules. None of them mixing, No meeting up outside of school. No sleepovers or play dates. It’s all the teachers fault. HmmAngry

spanieleyes · 12/12/2020 11:37

I have just received a message from the Health Protection Team which clearly states that the 10 days isolation ONLY applies to new isolations and that those currently isolating need to complete the 14 days.

ohwhatamiserableyear · 12/12/2020 11:52

@HikeForward

I agree with you OP.

In my DD’s school the first cases were spread by teachers (they all attended a meeting face to face with no masks, then one tested positive!) And the teachers were mixing outside of their bubbles!

One by one the year groups had to self isolate due to teacher exposure, then more teachers tested positive followed by lots of kids testing positive.

School is now shut for a month!

I’m cross the school didn’t manage this outbreak better. It only takes one teacher to come into work with a cold (that’s actually covid) and without rules about teachers mixing, sharing staff rooms, wearing masks etc an entire community is thrown into chaos 😡

Please.

Teachers and teaching assistants have been working hard to keep children safe in schools. We certainly have. But we still have to work with fellow staff members, share staff rooms, intervention areas, toilet facilities, hallways, and sort out nativity filming as a team. We wear masks/shields in shared areas when it's sensible, but it's not always sensible.

We don't want to be sick either! And we get quite cross when we see all our carefully bubbled children immediately head to the large playpark near the school after school ... with everyone. And see the playparks near the school actually heaving with children from across the local schools at the weekends, too.

You have no idea where the outbreak started, frankly ... the teacher that got it may well have gotten it from a family of a child who doesn't give two hoots about the bubbles outside of school hours. We have many who fall into this category.

ohwhatamiserableyear · 12/12/2020 11:53

Oh, and it is still 14 days for existing isolations. Policy change to 10 days doesn't start until next week.

Todaythiscouldbe · 12/12/2020 12:01

Anybody currently isolating no longer has to complete 14 days, they are released from isolation after 10 days from Monday.

Mover437 · 12/12/2020 12:04

@Todaythiscouldbe

Anybody currently isolating no longer has to complete 14 days, they are released from isolation after 10 days from Monday.
Not true. Contact traced yesterday. Text very clearly stated 14 days from contact. Contact was Wednesday 9th, so I'm free on 23rd. NHS app still says 23rd. I'm going for that. Would be shit to pass on covid because someone on mumsnet told me it was cool to reduce the isolation period. Stop spreading untruths.
Todaythiscouldbe · 12/12/2020 12:06

From Gov.uk

School won’t open despite new 10 day self isolation rules
Todaythiscouldbe · 12/12/2020 12:07

@Mover437 screenshot from Gov.uk above.

Mover437 · 12/12/2020 12:10

@todaythiscouldbe

Fair play. I'll probably still go until 23rd to be on the safe side, but thanks for the link Grin

Apologies for being snappy - just hate this whole year Daffodil

Todaythiscouldbe · 12/12/2020 12:11

Apology accepted. For the record, I don't 'spread untruths'. My screenshot didn't upload with the original comment.

Glitterynails · 12/12/2020 12:19

The DfE guidance for schools has not been updated yet. Remember that ‘normal’ rules don’t apply to schools regarding social distancing, masks and household mixing. Instead schools have their own guidance issued by the DfE. I’m sure that will follow next week.

Maireas · 12/12/2020 12:22

Plus the Headteachers are doing all the trace and track.

PamDemic · 12/12/2020 12:24

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Flipflops85 · 12/12/2020 12:24

@spanieleyes

Are you U.K. based? That text would completely contradict the government website (which to be fair wouldn’t surprise me at all!)

I know someone who got their text yesterday, and it said 10 days for any close contacts too - which also contradicts your text.

The only message that would still say 14 days is the track and trace app, but the government guidelines say to stop isolating when the app says 3 days.

MintyMabel · 12/12/2020 12:24

They have the staff

Unless you are a part of the school management team, you can’t possibly know this.

Maireas · 12/12/2020 12:25
Daffodil
Danglingmod · 12/12/2020 12:27

Schools have to follow DfE guidance, not the generic change of guidance posted on the govt website (which, itself, didn't come out until after the end of the school day yesterday. Again.)

HikeForward · 12/12/2020 12:28

Teachers and teaching assistants have been working hard to keep children safe in schools. We certainly have. But we still have to work with fellow staff members, share staff rooms, intervention areas, toilet facilities, hallways, and sort out nativity filming as a team. We wear masks/shields in shared areas when it's sensible, but it's not always sensible. We don't want to be sick either! And we get quite cross when we see all our carefully bubbled children immediately head to the large playpark near the school after school ... with everyone. And see the playparks near the school actually heaving with children from across the local schools at the weekends, too. You have no idea where the outbreak started, frankly ... the teacher that got it may well have gotten it from a family of a child who doesn't give two hoots about the bubbles outside of school hours. We have many who fall into this category.

True, the outbreak could have been started by a child. And yes it must be annoying to see your bubbles of kids mixing in the play park! Although it’s ironic this outbreak initially spread amongst teachers who had attended a meeting in the same room, unmasked.

I appreciate teachers are working hard. But please remember most parents are working hard too. NHS staff for example, who worked through the initial pandemic without PPE, still need to work now and don’t get a 2-week Christmas holiday let alone a 4-week one! Coping with sudden school closures, trying to find childcare at short notice in order to keep working... can you see why parents get irritated? The staff meeting could have been held via zoom and the infected staff member wouldn’t have infected their colleagues. I don’t blame the teachers but I blame the head for the sloppy attitude towards social distancing!

I’d like to see stricter rules imposed on schools by the government, eg all teaching staff tested for covid twice weekly (or ideally vaccinated), staggered lunch breaks (with deep cleaning and ventilation of staff rooms in between bubbles), all cross-bubble meetings conducted electronically, masks and the 2m rule enforced. It’s not fireproof but will dramatically reduce risk to both teachers and pupils.

You’re unlikely to pick up covid from a toilet or hallway unless you don’t wash your hands. Also unlikely to pick it up from an asymptomatic child as they don’t shed the virus in the way symptomatic people do.

nosswith · 12/12/2020 12:34

The change to 10 days starts on Monday, which just happens to be 10 days before Christmas Eve.

Totally coincidental of course.

As for the school, I would support them in their decision, if only because of all the things that they have had to put in place this term.